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the first big regular season game at Naz under the lights...if i'm not mistaken.


Both teams come into this game with a little something to prove. Benet to show they are improving week to week and are building to a playoff run, Naz to show the second half of the MCC game was the product of lots of strange factors. IMO, a loss is more harmful to Naz with games left against JCA and Marist.

I think Naz will try to use its speed to get outside and score on a vulnerable Benet Defense which has given up 106 points against a mediocre schedule. Benet's going to try and force Nazareth into passing downs.

Benet can win this game (and has played Naz reasonably well in the past), but is going to need to win the turnover battle...i cant see Benet exchanging explosion plays with Naz.

Game has huge ESCC implications.
 
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pjjp

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This will be a test of Naz' line play. I saw MCC last week. Not sure how they put up 34 points against Naz. They could only muster 107 yards and 3 points against the JC defense. Didn't see much speed or playmaking ability from MCC. The fact that they were able to move the ball as well as they did against Naz, and their defense was able to limit Naz offensively, tells me Naz' lines may be suspect. Then again, maybe the conditions were so bad that the results are very skewed, as the Naz fans suggested. What conclusions can be drawn from that game?

As I said in the ESCC thread, this Benet team has more speed in the skills than many previous Benet teams. I don't know what to expect from this game. It should be a good test for both teams. Will Benet be able to handle Naz' speed on a fast, dry track? Will Naz be able to handle Benet's physical play and diverse offense? Should be interesting.
 
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My guess is that Naz is on a mission for a couple of reasons, foremost is the MCC game and showing it to be a fluke, secondly because of the weather it will likely be a ground game giving Kelly-Martin the continued opportunity to earn those stars and showing that Love can run as well as catch the ball.

Naz wins big tonight to prove a point, and as a prelude to next weeks game.
 
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pjjp

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The Naz fans have been awfully quiet since that flurry of activity following the MCC game.
 
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JCHILLTOPPERS said:
the first big regular season game at Naz under the lights...if i'm not mistaken.


Both teams come into this game with a little something to prove. Benet to show they are improving week to week and are building to a playoff run, Naz to show the second half of the MCC game was the product of lots of strange factors. IMO, a loss is more harmful to Naz with games left against JCA and Marist.

I think Naz will try to use its speed to get outside and score on a vulnerable Benet Defense which has given up 106 points against a mediocre schedule. Benet's going to try and force Nazareth into passing downs.

Benet can win this game (and has played Naz reasonably well in the past), but is going to need to win the turnover battle...i cant see Benet exchanging explosion plays with Naz.

Game has huge ESCC implications.
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Benet is more athletic on the edges in years past specifically at WR, but the DB's are having some issues letting up big plays.
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I just want to know how Sznajder and Schneider are pronounced the same? And, can The Naz D contain him?
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Kid puts up numbers, much much improved from last year. He turns the ball over to much though, if he can limit turnovers Benet has a shot tonight. They are much more athletic on the edges than in years past and I think have a better chance of "containing" Naz. I don't think they will stop them though, will need to put up points to win.
 
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this is a good game to prove MCC loss was fluke. wish I could go. where do people park? in the neighborhood to the east?
 
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psspfan said:
this is a good game to prove MCC loss was fluke. wish I could go. where do people park? in the neighborhood to the east?
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Lot behind the school, the one by the softball field, and also on the grass along ogden. When this get full they will send you 2 blocks to the east to Park Junior High where Naz runs continuous shuttle buses.
 
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bronco man said:
My guess is that Naz is on a mission for a couple of reasons, foremost is the MCC game and showing it to be a fluke, secondly because of the weather it will likely be a ground game giving Kelly-Martin the continued opportunity to earn those stars and showing that Love can run as well as catch the ball.
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If current conditions persist, your point on the weather is spot on. With this wind, the team that can run the ball more effectively has an edge. Advantage in Naz in windy conditions. Benet can run, but not as well as Naz. How much will the wind impact Benet's passing game?
 
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psspfan said:
this is a good game to prove MCC loss was fluke. wish I could go. where do people park? in the neighborhood to the east?
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You can still park on the streets east of the school but you have to access the school grounds via Ogden Avenue. The access gate a block north of Ogden on Richmond Avenue is blocked off due to construction.
 
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My next door neighbor is a 2009 naz alum and has a younger brother who was on the more recent playoff teams. We've talked many times how MCC booted them out of the playoffs in 08. He always says the refs were awful and Budmyr was great, thats how they lost.

So I asked him before the MCC game, if he was worried about the officiating at MCC and them having another Budmyr?

He said, "The calls wont go your way, you can't control that, but I would be more worried about Naz's defense playing on grass, especially if it gets muddy,"

I dismissed it at first thinking nothing of it, then after the loss last week I talked to him again, I asked him why does naz have trouble with grass? Is it mental? Just a random correlation?

He told me that he loves Racki philosophy, but he lives and dies with the pressure. You need 2 things to be successful in his defense speed and pressure. When a good team or the elements can stop any of those things, the defense is then very vulnerable to big plays by the offense. If the nose/secondary isnt outstanding and the defense is slowed down and cant get home, is when things can get ugly quickly.

I asked him about Caramel in 06, he said that was the only game he could think of naz having success in the mud. Lastly he mention his jr/sr year they were something like 16-3 on turf, 1-4 on grass and when naz went 3-6 the first 2 years under rack the field was grass.

So I did my own research on Naz's playoff record on grass vs turf since Racki has been there.

2007, 0-1 grass, 2-0 turf
2008, 0-1 grass, 1-0 turf
2011, 0-1 grass, 2-0 turf
2013, no grass, 2-1 turf
2014, no grass, 5-0 turf

Might not mean anything relevant, could be just correlation but I thought it was just interesting coming from a former player and thought I share it.
 
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[FONT=Open Sans, Arial, sans-serif]As for this week against Benet, I expect the game to be similar to how naz played St. Pats this year. I've seen Benet play they just don't have the athletes, I haven't seen one player with next level talent or speed. [/FONT] A loss would really surprise me.
 
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Windy and not wet, I'll take my team. Hell, wet and still at home I'll take them. I think they are a special team in the LGP, as yes, it's conducive to both sides of the football. WSC's neighbor nailed it about mud and Naz. Too many moving parts don't work well in the mud. Luckily our gem of a stadium has turf, and Ivory and Julian love it tonight.

I've made my thoughts known on the MCC game, but going forward Nazareth is a tough out. The lines may lake depth, but not talent, and they'll step with the rest of the schedule... except perhaps you know who. JCA is easily the favorite for that game given their lines, which I agree might be the state's best on offense and defense. Then they have a very solid QB and perhaps the state's best running back (he's in my top five right now). I'm also, always, knowing JCA is tough and hits.
 
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godfthr53 said:
Lots of 5A north plays on Grass so need to figure it out quick.
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Grass should only be a concern if there's mud. Really, if its a mud field, maybe adjust your game plan to not play a 5 man front with 1 LB and play COV 1 across the board, which leaves you open to the home run play. When you're on a field that is dry and you're faster then everyone, then sure go ahead and do it; which they do now.

If you know you can't blitz people to death and just play man-to-man due to the field, adjust and try to slug it out with people playing a more traditional 4 man front with 2 backers and play with 2 high safeties if that's in your scheme.
 
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WestSuburbanCatholicConference said:
My next door neighbor is a 2009 naz alum and has a younger brother who was on the more recent playoff teams. We've talked many times how MCC booted them out of the playoffs in 08. He always says the refs were awful and Budmyr was great, thats how they lost.

So I asked him before the MCC game, if he was worried about the officiating at MCC and them having another Budmyr?

He said, "The calls wont go your way, you can't control that, but I would be more worried about Naz's defense playing on grass, especially if it gets muddy,"

I dismissed it at first thinking nothing of it, then after the loss last week I talked to him again, I asked him why does naz have trouble with grass? Is it mental? Just a random correlation?

He told me that he loves Racki philosophy, but he lives and dies with the pressure. You need 2 things to be successful in his defense speed and pressure. When a good team or the elements can stop any of those things, the defense is then very vulnerable to big plays by the offense. If the nose/secondary isnt outstanding and the defense is slowed down and cant get home, is when things can get ugly quickly.

I asked him about Caramel in 06, he said that was the only game he could think of naz having success in the mud. Lastly he mention his jr/sr year they were something like 16-3 on turf, 1-4 on grass and when naz went 3-6 the first 2 years under rack the field was grass.

So I did my own research on Naz's playoff record on grass vs turf since Racki has been there.

2007, 0-1 grass, 2-0 turf
2008, 0-1 grass, 1-0 turf
2011, 0-1 grass, 2-0 turf
2013, no grass, 2-1 turf
2014, no grass, 5-0 turf

Might not mean anything relevant, could be just correlation but I thought it was just interesting coming from a former player and thought I share it.
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Racki hasn't called the defense in 2 years.
 
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illini14 said:
Grass should only be a concern if there's mud. Really, if its a mud field, maybe adjust your game plan to not play a 5 man front with 1 LB and play COV 1 across the board, which leaves you open to the home run play. When you're on a field that is dry and you're faster then everyone, then sure go ahead and do it; which they do now.

If you know you can't blitz people to death and just play man-to-man due to the field, adjust and try to slug it out with people playing a more traditional 4 man front with 2 backers and play with 2 high safeties if that's in your scheme.
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Clearly you're smarter than Racki. You should email President Moran your resume.
 
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TPF523 said:
Clearly you're smarter than Racki. You should email President Moran your resume.
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I've won 0 HS football games as a coach, I think Racki has won what 7-8 state titles? I think the guy knows what he's doing.
 
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pjjp

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WSC...that research is interesting. I will say: last year's Naz team could have played any style on any surface and been successful.
 
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pjjp said:
WSC...that research is interesting. I will say: last year's Naz team could have played any style on any surface and been successful.
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Completely agree on last years team, went to every home game and by week 11 they were really rolling and could have beaten anyone in the state.

My previous post was just bringing up a point I never thought that a former player brought to my attention.

Its not a bash against Rack in anyway. You could cherry pick different stats from other great coaches like Lenti and Sharp. Such as I bet in the playoffs their record is not that great when they don't have the typical hogs up front or I bet they have an extremely bad record when trailing in playoff games by more than one score, as those offenses aren't the best systems when trailing from behind and you need to score fast.

The same could be said about defenses that don't rely on the blitz, like a tampa 2.

Ex. The Bears Tampa 2 under Lovie, it was essential that the front 4 made it home in order for that defense to work. When Solider field's grass would get destroyed later in the season, the bears had a below 500 record at home compared to a over 500 record on the road and had a winning record in domes due to the field surface.

In tonight's game, after looking at Benet's film. I think naz puts a running clock on Benet.
 
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WestSuburbanCatholicConference said:
Completely agree on last years team, went to every home game and by week 11 they were really rolling and could have beaten anyone in the state.

My previous post was just bringing up a point I never thought that a former player brought to my attention.

Its not a bash against Rack in anyway. You could cherry pick different stats from other great coaches like Lenti and Sharp. Such as I bet in the playoffs their record is not that great when they don't have the typical hogs up front or I bet they have an extremely bad record when trailing in playoff games by more than one score, as those offenses aren't the best systems when trailing from behind and you need to score fast.

The same could be said about defenses that don't rely on the blitz, like a tampa 2.

Ex. The Bears Tampa 2 under Lovie, it was essential that the front 4 made it home in order for that defense to work. When Solider field's grass would get destroyed later in the season, the bears had a below 500 record at home compared to a over 500 record on the road and had a winning record in domes due to the field surface.

In tonight's game, after looking at Benet's film. I think naz puts a running clock on Benet.
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Wow! That's a bold bold statement!!!!!
 
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pjjp

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WSC's bold prediction almost came through (Naz 33 Benet 0). The analysis of Naz' defensive philosophy was spot on in this game. Naz completely overwhelmed Benet with pressure and speed on defense.
 
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Naz-jCA is going to be a classic next wk so many great games on wk 7 and I can t see them all damn it.
 
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pjjp said:
WSC's bold prediction almost came through (Naz 33 Benet 0). The analysis of Naz' defensive philosophy was spot on in this game. Naz completely overwhelmed Benet with pressure and speed on defense.
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not to be taken out of context, was really disappointed with benet tonight. was pulling for naz so to set up a showdown next week, but really wanted to see benet make a game out of this.I really thought they could - turns out to be a dud.
 
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JCHILLTOPPERS said:
not to be taken out of context, was really disappointed with benet tonight. was pulling for naz so to set up a showdown next week, but really wanted to see benet make a game out of this.I really thought they could - turns out to be a dud.
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I think we were all hoping for this game to be a good one but what can you do,next wks game I'm pretty sure we'll get our money's worth.
 
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Jiggs

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After watching the Naz-Benet game, in the ESSC their is JCA and Naz and everybody else. Benet's defense looked ok at times, but if Kelly-Martin found a hole it as off to the races.
 
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HF might be the only school that can match Naz team speed.
 
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Congrats to Naz. It was an ***-whooping. Benet's QB went out early which really contributed to their non existent passing game. Might have made it slightly closer but Naz's speed on offense really was impressive. Benet has had trouble holding on to the play. Got lucky and recovered the first three but they really hurt drives. Naz - JCA should be interesting.
 
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