Naz in 5A
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IMO - No too young and a lot of key players will be in playoffs for first time. I can see them getting to quarters at Woodstock...that's a place that's Naz has been very unlucky. Winnable but definitely a hostile environment where mid-Nov weather could be a Huge Factor. They can make a run with the good draw...but picking them as favorites is tough
MC140,
Don't you find it a little odd Sterling moved to the North this season? Could have drawn the same line this year and sent them south.
Don't you find it a little odd Sterling moved to the North this season? Could have drawn the same line this year and sent them south.
I don't know. Did they exact same teams make it in 5a this year? Hubbard is a team that routinely bounces back and forth between north and south depending on the year in 6a.
MC140,
If you look at the maps last year and this year they make little sense sending Morris to Marion for a game and Genessro to Troy to keep Sterling in the North and soften the south. This is gerrymandering at its definition. Last year they sent JCA north and Richards south. It's sad. It really is time to go straight 1-32 for 6A and 5 A and it takes away any question of this nonsense.
If you look at the maps last year and this year they make little sense sending Morris to Marion for a game and Genessro to Troy to keep Sterling in the North and soften the south. This is gerrymandering at its definition. Last year they sent JCA north and Richards south. It's sad. It really is time to go straight 1-32 for 6A and 5 A and it takes away any question of this nonsense.
TPF,
Not complaining about the Naz draw at all. Contrary to some people's opinion I'm not just in it for one team. When the system is rigged it's rigged against everyone in an area, was it really fair to JCA to have to play Naz in round two...was it fair to all the fans that came out to the state title game on both sides for it to be a blow out. Point is there is an agenda by some at the IHSA and why I suggested as Edgy did yesterday to go to straight 1-32 seeding in the playoffs and then there is no question how things fell out.
Not complaining about the Naz draw at all. Contrary to some people's opinion I'm not just in it for one team. When the system is rigged it's rigged against everyone in an area, was it really fair to JCA to have to play Naz in round two...was it fair to all the fans that came out to the state title game on both sides for it to be a blow out. Point is there is an agenda by some at the IHSA and why I suggested as Edgy did yesterday to go to straight 1-32 seeding in the playoffs and then there is no question how things fell out.
You may be right but JCA has no one to blame but themselves. They could have beat Naz but they didn't, IHSA had no hand in that game. If Naz loses to Sterling or someone else they won't have the IHSA to blame for that. That's a losers mentality,
I totally agree the IHSA should go to a straight 1-32 seed and dump this north/south stuff for 5A and 6A. Yes there will be a little more travel, but so what. Plus teams get to play other teams they would never get to see unless both ended up in the finals.
I think I seen the sprinklers are already on in Woodstock.
TPF,
My point has nothing to do about whether or not Naz or JCA or Sterling win. It's about maneuvering the lines as they wish, to shape the outcomes of any or multiple games for political reasons. If you go to straight 1-32 seeding any questions disappear.
My point has nothing to do about whether or not Naz or JCA or Sterling win. It's about maneuvering the lines as they wish, to shape the outcomes of any or multiple games for political reasons. If you go to straight 1-32 seeding any questions disappear.
Heard they are getting the snow guns from Crystal Mountain for week 3 of the playoffs.
At the end of the day just play the game, the best team will prevail and losers will be find something to complain about.
Richards is a different class. And if you are going to cry about Sterling, Rich Central is the team who got screwed as they are farther south than JCA.
They feel Sterling and JCA should of been switched last year. Ignoring that Rich Central was South of both of those schools.
No I don't have an issue with the Naz draw. I do however have an issue with the way IHSA draws lines when they can simply go to 1-32 like they have in 7 & 8 A. Also my opinion is mine, don't lump the Naz guys in with me as I don't think anyone has pitched a *****.
Agree there, I'd like to see 1-32 in all classes, although it will likely never happen.
Perhaps they will never seed and bracket 1-32 because there would be too many awful slaughters, massacres, total mismatches and running clocks in mass quantities and heavy doses in the first 2-3 rounds in all classes?! Imagine eight 1/32, 2/31, 3/30 and etc awful match-ups for a grand total of however many. There are plenty of blowouts now......but they can manage, minimize the quantity, minimize the degree of them, and scatter them throughout the rounds some so it isn't so obvious. Who would go see these awful match-ups and slaughters after doing so once or twice? Lol.
The parents and fans...
Yes there are always mismatches and a 1-32 rewards the top teams with round 1 games they are supposed to win - just like in march madness in basketball.
However that said, most of the blowouts are more related to strength of schedule than anything else in the early rounds in my opinion. Take a team from a very weak conference, they go 9-0 or 8-1 with a single digit playoff seed and play a CCL blue team or some other power conference team at 6-3 or 5-4 and you can get a running clock game with the 5-4 team winning big.
Hell the 8A finals last year was a running clock or damn close to it (41-0?) You aren't going to avoid them all.
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I totally agree that all classes should be seeded 1-32.
that said, as a sterling fan I can tell you that sterling usually goes "north" in the 5a playoffs. last year, we were shocked to go "south". roughly speaking, sterling goes "north" 70% of the time.
here's a fun fact - sterling beat dekalb in 2 OTs on Friday night with a 2 pt conversion to win it. had they not converted that, they lose the game, fall to 8-1, and host Nazareth in the first round.
that said, as a sterling fan I can tell you that sterling usually goes "north" in the 5a playoffs. last year, we were shocked to go "south". roughly speaking, sterling goes "north" 70% of the time.
here's a fun fact - sterling beat dekalb in 2 OTs on Friday night with a 2 pt conversion to win it. had they not converted that, they lose the game, fall to 8-1, and host Nazareth in the first round.
Richards was 6A
Rich Central played in the North bracket last year with Naz and JCA
5A Controversy was between LWW, JCA and Sterling and Rich Central.
LWW and Sterling went South - Rich Central and JCA went North
LWW won the South. Naz won the North.
Last year some felt as if this was a direct shot at the private shools as they put both JCA and NAZ in the North so they couldn't have their rematch in the state finals.
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You guys are funny. I look at it this way. In order to be a champion, you have to play and beat every team put in front of you. We all agree that the system is flawed but it is what it is. Teams have to play and if they are worried about whose in their bracket, they won't win anyway. Naz is my team and I have said all year that they will go as far as the underclassmen will take them. Not saying the seniors are great players because they are, but the TEAM will need all players to make a run. Imagine this- if we still had a kid whose in PA and an all state RB that transferred! WOW! Good luck to all the teams that made the playoffs! Enjoy and have fun!
If 5A was 1-32.
1 Sterling (H.S.)
32 Chicago (Westinghouse)
16 Metamora
17 Vernon Hills
8 Washington
25 Rochelle
9 Norridge (Ridgewood)
24 Glen Ellyn (Glenbard South)
4 Highland
29 Sycamore (H.S.)
13 Kankakee (Sr.)
20 Mahomet (M.-Seymour)
5 Chicago (Payton)
28 Dunlap
12 Geneseo
21 Peoria (Notre Dame)
2 Chicago (Goode)
31 LaGrange Park (Nazareth Academy)
15 Jacksonville (H.S.)
18 Troy (Triad)
7 Morris
26 Marion (H.S.)
10 Country Club Hills (Hillcrest)
23 Chicago (Urban Prep/Bronzeville)
3 Peoria (H.S.)
30 Woodstock (Marian)
14 Decatur (Eisenhower)
19 Woodstock (North)
6 Chicago (Solorio Academy)
27 Waterloo (H.S.)
11 Centralia (H.S.)
22 Olympia Fields (Rich Central)
1 Sterling (H.S.)
32 Chicago (Westinghouse)
16 Metamora
17 Vernon Hills
8 Washington
25 Rochelle
9 Norridge (Ridgewood)
24 Glen Ellyn (Glenbard South)
4 Highland
29 Sycamore (H.S.)
13 Kankakee (Sr.)
20 Mahomet (M.-Seymour)
5 Chicago (Payton)
28 Dunlap
12 Geneseo
21 Peoria (Notre Dame)
2 Chicago (Goode)
31 LaGrange Park (Nazareth Academy)
15 Jacksonville (H.S.)
18 Troy (Triad)
7 Morris
26 Marion (H.S.)
10 Country Club Hills (Hillcrest)
23 Chicago (Urban Prep/Bronzeville)
3 Peoria (H.S.)
30 Woodstock (Marian)
14 Decatur (Eisenhower)
19 Woodstock (North)
6 Chicago (Solorio Academy)
27 Waterloo (H.S.)
11 Centralia (H.S.)
22 Olympia Fields (Rich Central)
It seems that you all complain about 2 things when playing at MCC's field. The home cooking when it comes to the refs, which me being a MCC diehard I obviously don't see! LOL! Then the turf! Yeah its got peet for a base and a good rain with a couple of games on a Friday night it goes from beautiful grass to a quagmire in 4 hours! We can't complain though the land was donated to us back in 1959! I know if the rest of the ESCC would like to help us out the school would probably love a new field turf surface! Then we would all be playing on turf. We just can't afford it at this point.
The quagmire last year was unbelievable, but it was fun to watch and if the kids gave an honest answer they would tell you how much fun playing in the mud is. I wish all fields were grass, It is not feasible for many based on the constant use. Nazareth, based on the reserve dollars put aside each year for replacement of the turf vs. maintenance and sod cost of grass is about break even with turf but gets 2-3x the usage that the old grass field got. IMO if it doesn't limit other activities and you can maintain it, Keep the Grass.
Regardless of the turf...both teams play on the same surface right, let's just hope we get to see the game this year! Good luck to you
I like the grass too, the problem is the peet that is under it. It goes deep! To fix it I think you would have to core out a couple of feet and bring clay in to bridge it then top soil and sod. You would also have to redo the sprinkler system! In the end you would be back to a good natural surface with its drawbacks also. So if you were doing all that you might as well put in turf.
You had your chance to get turf. The administration didn't want to take a donation specifically for turf.
I hope it happens to! It would be great! I think Naz might have a better chance of getting there. I think MCC would play Hillcrest in the 2nd round. Hillcrest's schedule looked pretty tough this year and their 7&2 record shows that they have to be good. I don't know much about them. I hope someone chimes in on them. I seen Sterling play Friday against DeKalb. Who ever gets to play them will have a tough apponent for sure. Good speed and very well balanced! Also plays a very good, bend but not break defense. In my opinion 5A is wide open with no clear cut favorites!