NBA proposal to allow 18 year olds to get drafted starting in 2022.
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This is AWESOME for college basketball.
I know we get a lot of the 1&done guys, so I can see where some of you might view this as a set back for us but this is what college basketball NEEDS.
I know we get a lot of the 1&done guys, so I can see where some of you might view this as a set back for us but this is what college basketball NEEDS.
Here is Boogie Cousins sounding off on the issue. Lebron (kind of) chimes in, as well.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...ors-blasts-ncaa-system-zion-williamson-injury
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...ors-blasts-ncaa-system-zion-williamson-injury
I see it as a positive for duke. nobody can coach guys up like coach K. Let the guys that go straight to the NBA do whatever they please and let K teach the others how to play basketball for a few years and get them ready for the league.
I don’t see anything about that in the article. The best way to do that for college basketball would be to enforce a minimum 2 years (3 if I had it my way, but that’s greedy and unrealistic.) — IMO they will make it totally the player’s choice. But guys who are meant to be 1&done won’t dabble with college. I think if a guy picks college, he’ll stay for a couple years by personal choice. But this is all just my opinion, no facts.
It’s a huge positive, but this would happen in 2022. I refuse to actually talk about the subject until the time comes but I’ll put it this way, Coach K will be 75.
I was wondering the same thing because the article didn’t mention anything about it. I imagine as 2022 gets closer there will be more information released about the full details of the rule change. Unless they specifically add a clause saying that if players choose to college then they have to stay a specific number of years then I imagine that players that choose to go to college after the rule change will be able to leave after any year that they want like they can now. So we could still see players leaving after one year.
A lot of kids are gonna try and go pro that are soft 5 stars and get a rude awakening. The other frustration will be the kids that aren’t sure what they want to do and is wasting resources trying to recruit them.
I imagine we would go back to the old rules not something like baseball has. So there would still be 1 and dones. I hope there’s some sort of rule in place regarding timing for high schoolers to prevent any future Shaun Livingston situations.
This also probably ends our recruitment of Bronny.
This also probably ends our recruitment of Bronny.
So they're just going back to the old ways. There will still be one and dones but college basketball won't get to see superstar players anymore. Sounds terrible for college basketball, it will be even more watered down than it already is and there won't be the Zion's, Kyrie's, AD's, KD's, etc. that capture the nation's attention.
The unknown is what bothers me the most, surprisingly I never really see it talked about. Given his personality it’s hard to imagine him giving immediate retiring notice at the end of a season, (unless health forces otherwise) I’d like to think that he’d announce it before the start of a season.
How much longer he can go is such a debatable question. Although a few surgeries, he moves around as well as anyone. I could see him wanting to grab another chip and I can see him trying to reach the 80 mark in age.
Just said I wouldn’t talk about it and look at me
What class is Bronny? He’s 14 and will be 15 in October. Is he in 8th or 9th grade this year? If he’s in 8th grade then that would make him class of 2023 but if he’s in 9th grade then that would make him class of 2022. Will players have to be 18 before the draft? If Bronny is class of 2022 then he won’t be 18 until 4 months after the draft, would he still be able to enter draft in 2022?
Money will never be an issue for the young king. Granted, it delays the NBA goal. Knowing you’re set for life financially will make the decision a pure personal choice. Bronny has made comments about not wanting to completely follow his dad’s foot steps and he wants to make his own legacy. Hitting college for the experience first we’ll definitely plant his feet in another direction from his old man.
I think we will be surprised how many kids still go to college...
If it's anything like it was before, we would never have seen Okafor, Winslow, Ingram, Giles, Tatum, Bolden, Bagley, Carter, Duval, Trent, Barrett, Zion, or Cam, and there's a decent chance we wouldn't have gotten either Jones or Frank Jackson either. The rule exists because of the number of kids who were skipping college every year.
I also hope the NCAA creates some sort of safety net for kids who don't get drafted to potentially come back.
My guess is there almost has to be some sort of safety net. Having said that, don’t rule out the G-League becoming a more legit option.
I think too many have the whole argument backwards. The rule was not and is not about CBB. It was put in and remains due to NBA self interest. It is an insurance policy against potential wasted draft picks ala Kwame Brown. It is certainly not fool proof, but has helped NBA teams better evaluate the younger players. As a bonus, they get 1 year of free marketing. Kind of ironic that one of the most immature, self destructive guys in the league is downplaying the value of going to college. He also totally invalidates an experience that he says he loved.
Wasn’t there some kind of report or something that came out in the recent past about the NCAA potentially allowing players to use/communicate with agents sometime in the near future to see if/where they would get drafted and if they didn’t get drafted then they would/could have the option to return to school or choose to go college in general? Or am I completely remembering wrong.
Let the NBA guess on 18 year olds and go back to the miserable basketball of the 2000's.
I much prefer the OAD era than the old rules. As posters have stated above, there is/will be so much Duke talent in the NBA thanks to the OAD rule. Those guys would have never come here otherwise. Imagine if we could all say Lebron and Kobe were Duke players? And imagine how much fun it would have been to have those guys here for one season.
To be clear, I prefer a rule that allows guys to go straight out of high school because that is fair to the players. But I think there should be a minimum of 2 years in college if they choose to go that route. Sure, we won't get the Zions of the world, but the college game will improve.
To be clear, I prefer a rule that allows guys to go straight out of high school because that is fair to the players. But I think there should be a minimum of 2 years in college if they choose to go that route. Sure, we won't get the Zions of the world, but the college game will improve.
I don't have much opinion because I am really not sure how this will impact the college game, and that's what I really care about. What I want will never happen. I want the old days back. Watching Larttner for 4 years was awesome. Watching Zion grow for 4 years would be beyond words
I agree DukefanKY with loving to watch guys develop over a 4 year career,but if their goal is to become an NBA player,they don't need a College Degree to do that
Oh I agree with you 100%.....that's just not what "I" want!! LOL!!!
MJ went to college and LeBron didn’t. Neither of those guys would be better or more decorated if they went to Europe. On the flip side, Doncic’s choice to remain overseas has paid dividends. Giannis was seen playing at a park and picked up by a European coach. Per the European way, fundamentals were established, NBA scooped him up and did the rest. Funny to think that his pre-draft scouting report notes a lack of explosiveness. What I’m saying is..... You can’t select a unicorn player and argue his success as the standard.
The Europe path has produced a list of elite players: Dirk, Tony Parker, Giannis, Gasol brothers, Peja, Jokic, Vlade, Porzingis, Doncic. I’m sure I’m missing a handful. That pool of talent doesn’t even compare to the talent that’s drafted from college. Not even close to the ball park. If Europe does things so poetically and want to claim that they “grow basketball” better, why is the output to NBA incomparable? Why are Australian talents (Simmons, Adams, Baynes, Bogut, Patty Mills, etc.) choosing American college over European supposed higher talent and benefitting from pay?
European basketball teams management operates on a borderline insanity protocol. There’s contracts but half of the teams pay their dividends to a player on time. Some even withhold pay if performance isn’t meeting expectation. Injury can negate pay. Aside from the very top teams, there tends to be virtually no fan support. European teams have been noted as being so hungry for wins that they disregard young talent.
Gobert, Markkanen, Poeltl, Sabonis, etc. These kids are bouncing Europe for American college. The exposure over here is second to none. Overseas you might make a website clip, in America you have the opportunity to tell the world who you are. Do you want a couple YouTube clips and web broadcasts or do you want to play on ESPN? What about tens of thousands of fans watching you shine or a small relatively empty gymnasium? Do you want to practice ball movement and and over-kill fundamental workouts or lift weights, improve your body and be physically trained in a premier facility? All this fundamental, pass the ball, passive offensive style and training isn’t useless but the NBA showcases individuality more than anything. Since 2011, college basketball has had a 64% increase in European players. I think that statistic alone paints the clearest picture.
I’m glad things worked out for Doncic and Porzingis the way that they have. Unfortunately, if you’re not an elite one-of-a-kind “unicorn” talent (who could virtually evolve in any situation thanks to God-given intangibles.) Europe is a bad move. The NBA will place commas in your bank account that Euroleagues couldn’t fathom paying and they are drooling to pay a 19-20 year old athletic kid with upside and play-style characteristics that are bench-worthy overseas.
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All that says is that more Europeans are playing basketball (likely due to the success of their leagues). There's nothing there that says they're turning down pro Euro leagues to come over here. They're not star players playing for blue bloods.
And Luka isn't a unicorn. He's 6'7" and one of the knocks on him is athleticism.
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I just hope we don't see kids making last second decisions to go pro, like Shawn Livingston did. Messed up Duke for the next year not having him at point guard after expecting he'd be there. They need to decide early in the process and not in May.