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NBC: 82% of all mass killings done with weapons acquired legally

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WVPATX

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RichardPeterJohnson said:
Hey einstein, do you even read what you post?
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About 9% involved further investigation? 9%, that's all. And no proof they would not have passed. But please, for once, answer my question. Why do you not focus on hand guns? They kill far more. And it's not close. And why didn't you address the failure of the previous rifle ban?
 
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WVPATX said:
About 9% involved further investigation? 9%, that's all. And no proof they would not have passed. But please, for once, answer my question. Why do you not focus on hand guns? They kill far more. And it's not close. And why didn't you address the failure of the previous rifle ban?
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The assault weapons ban in the 90s that expired was essentially toothless. It made to effort to acquire the weapons already out there. It only banned the manufacture of new ones, I think. And then it expired. I wonder why it wasn't renewed? Couldn't have been NRA threats. I'll concede that handguns are the bigger killer and there are many things which could be done to minimize the risk-you know, common sense regs the NRA opposes. But allowing assault style weapons and 30+ round mags defies logic. Here's a pretty good template for some changes: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/world/australia/australia-gun-ban-shooting.html?_r=0
 
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The assault weapons ban in the 90s that expired was essentially toothless. It made to effort to acquire the weapons already out there. It only banned the manufacture of new ones, I think. And then it expired. I wonder why it wasn't renewed? Couldn't have been NRA threats. I'll concede that handguns are the bigger killer and there are many things which could be done to minimize the risk-you know, common sense regs the NRA opposes. But allowing assault style weapons and 30+ round mags defies logic. Here's a pretty good template for some changes: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/world/australia/australia-gun-ban-shooting.html?_r=0
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The 90's ban had many of the same elements that libs want today. Again, why focus on rifles? You blame the NRA, but it is libs that don't want to focus on the criminals with mandatory minimums if caught with an illegal weapon, mandatory minimums for straw purchasers, stop and frisk (if it can pass SCOTUS) and heavier police patrols in high crime neighborhoods. Why focus on law abiding citizens and not the criminals? It makes no sense. And BTW, gun buyback programs have never worked.
 
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If we want to curtail gun crime, then we need strict mandatory minimums for criminals using a gun in a violent crime. That would do way more good than banning weapons that are ominous looking...
 
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dolemitebmf said:
If we want to curtail gun crime, then we need strict mandatory minimums for criminals using a gun in a violent crime. That would do way more good than banning weapons that are ominous looking...
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Libs blame the NRA but it is common sense laws like this that will do far more to reduce gun deaths, and libs are the ones that oppose these measures.
 
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If 82% were purchased legally, doesn't that counter the argument that right wingers make that laws don't apply to criminals blah blah blah? And btw, most mass shootings are committed by people with no criminal history.
 
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countryroads89 said:
If 82% were purchased legally, doesn't that counter the argument that right wingers make that laws don't apply to criminals blah blah blah? And btw, most mass shootings are committed by people with no criminal history.
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Why won't you even discuss hand guns? They kill thousands more than rifles. And Obama's new rifle ban, which we tried in the 90's and didn't work, will do nothing to keep these weapons out of the hands of criminals.
 
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countryroads89 said:
If 82% were purchased legally, doesn't that counter the argument that right wingers make that laws don't apply to criminals blah blah blah? And btw, most mass shootings are committed by people with no criminal history.
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These simple minded fools don't realize touting this type of stat is just proof the nra has been successful in pushing more guns into society which has made the country a less safe place. So what is their argument? We need even more guns. Same flawed argument they have with tax cuts and higher deficits. It is truly remarkable how dumb this country has become.
 
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These simple minded fools don't realize touting this type of stat is just proof the nra has been successful in pushing more guns into society which has made the country a less safe place. So what is their argument? We need even more guns. Same flawed argument they have with tax cuts and higher deficits. It is truly remarkable how dumb this country has become.
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You do know the murder rate has been cut in half since the 90's, right? And the rate of gun ownership has exploded over that same time, right? How is the country less safe today than in the 90's? Typical lib. You have no idea what you're talking about.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013...-KopIg.0&utm_referrer=https://www.google.com/
 
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dolemitebmf

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You do know the murder rate has been cut in half since the 90's, right? And the rate of gun ownership has exploded over that same time, right? How is the country less safe today than in the 90's? Typical lib. You have no idea what you're talking about.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/?utm_expid=53098246-2.Lly4CFSVQG2lphsg-KopIg.0&utm_referrer=https://www.google.com/
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Oops! Never let facts get in the way of a "good" argument. You are arguing facts against his emotions. That is why I almost never discuss "gun control", because it is almost always facts vs. emotions...
 
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Oops! Never let facts get in the way of a "good" argument. You are arguing facts against his emotions. That is why I almost never discuss "gun control", because it is almost always facts vs. emotions...
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It was the same with Obamacare. Facts: It'll cost too much, and that's coming home to roost starting this year. "But we must do something, anything!" It seems to be most of the Liberal arguments are emotional.
 
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WVPATX

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Oops! Never let facts get in the way of a "good" argument. You are arguing facts against his emotions. That is why I almost never discuss "gun control", because it is almost always facts vs. emotions...
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Dennis Prager wrote a book on the differences between libs and conservatives. One of his major points was that libs want to legislate things that make them feel good, while conservatives want to legislate things that actually work. A rifle ban would make libs feel good but would have no practical impact, just as it had no impact in the '90's. Legislation that actually deals with hand guns used by criminals is something libs don't want because they feel it impacts minority communities, thus they would not feel good. But how anyone can think the murder rate is up in this country and that more guns equals more murders is simply not reading or paying attention.
 
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