NBCSC: Can anyone stop East St.Louis?
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@EdgyTim Please make LWE the 1 team in the state so their fans can relax about a pointless title. Anytime someone mention any team outside of LWE as "the best team in the state" it's guaranteed one of them will comment. From an ESL perspective, LWE can have it.
If I had my choice, I would much rather fly under the radar versus having every team gunning for you. Just my opinion.
If I had my choice, I would much rather fly under the radar versus having every team gunning for you. Just my opinion.
I don't think it's the ranking, I think it's the hyperbole. To be fair similar hyperbole was lofted onto LWE last year, but they clocked 10 of 13 opponents and didn't have a close game until the semis.
I think @EdgyTim may be trolling the board with the title
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LHS He asked a question and I had an answer. Some of the teams I think could stop ESL are Loyola, MC, HF, Bolingbrook, and Naz. I don't even have to mention LWE to have a host of teams that I think could stop them.
Quit having your hate get in the way.
Quit having your hate get in the way.
I thought after a week of talk after the NV game it was a worthwhile question...
No hate here my friend. Look at EVERY post the mention ESL and there is a comment from a LWE supporter. Whether its a list of teams (like the ones you mention that includes a Naz team that lost to Cardinal Ritter at home) and some sideways comment about how not good ESL is. Cory just mentioned in another post as to why ESL is petitioning up again.
Here is my point. Like it or not, only two teams in the playoffs MC, WWS have had consistent success and one team during the regular season (Montini). ESL constantly travel to Chicago and have success yet, in your mind, five are six plus schools can beat them. I personally think it would be a good game between LWE/ ESL and I can assure you that I don't think the teams you listed can beat LWE. If they did beat them, I would call it an upset with the exception of LA.
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Nail on the head, Bones! It has nothing to do with ESL. It has to do with a poster or sometimes multiple posters that state that a particular team is “unbeatable” and other teams are “dodging” or “scared” to play a particular team. Don’t be a GoldenDomer’93 i.e. HF 2015. (Note: this is not aimed at any specific poster)
I have never agreed with a statement of unbeatable in HIGH school football. I have no issue with discussion and I am a fan of it. For example Bones was actually at the game so I can respect his opinion about the topic. Most have not seen the team play nor have they seen the teams in which they believe can beat someone play. What do you call that?
I admit I mentioned the word fear of playing because I was directly involved with trying to secure games. When you tell one team you are in a contract but immediately call back another team less than a week later to setup a game on the same day puts certain things in perspective. No I do not know the "true" reason but you tell me what it looks like to you? If I am wrong, I will apologize with no issue.
As far as Golden Domer, I am a fan of football first. I am not a fanatic of team and I will be the first to tell you if ESL have a good team or not.
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Come out to Raider Way this weekend to see her and watch the turf be dedicated! Why they dedicate before a LWE game is beyond me.
Honestly it's not even the ESL guys @LHSTigers94 and @flyerforlife calling them unbeatable. It's some other fellows, kind of like me with Simeon in 2010. I thought they were unstoppable on offense and did just enough on D to beat anyone.... That was until they slept-walked 3.5 qtrs against Lake Zurich and lost. Had a serious scare against Schaumburg and Mt. Carmel too.
What I saw, offensively, Friday night at Neuqua was a powerful offense chock full of game breaking talent. Every single skill player is supremely talented. Macon, the QB, is a wonderful distributor of the football and got better as he settled into the flow of the game.
Whomever beats this team will have lockdown corners, a dominant front seven that can withstand the punishment that the Flyer OL dishes out, and an explosive and/or time consuming offense to keep up because ESL is going to get theirs. I’m not sure you can play smash mouth against this team. Neuqua had success because of the talent at WR and the athleticism of our QB. They couldn’t focus on one part of our O.
Whomever beats this team will have lockdown corners, a dominant front seven that can withstand the punishment that the Flyer OL dishes out, and an explosive and/or time consuming offense to keep up because ESL is going to get theirs. I’m not sure you can play smash mouth against this team. Neuqua had success because of the talent at WR and the athleticism of our QB. They couldn’t focus on one part of our O.
Warren can match any team athlete for athlete. Their strength program is one of the best in the state. Keep sleeping WTHS. Underdogs do bite.
From what I have read, I dont think Warren can match ESL athlete for athlete and I have a tough time calling the #6 ranked team in the area an underdog that people are sleeping on.
I think to call any team uncatchable or unbeatable is a bit premature. LWE was the latest victim last year. Great team that had a bad day against a good team.
Same can happen to East St. Louis or any other team that wears that mantle of the next great team to come along. Don't get me wrong, I think its cool to have really good football being played in Illinois. However, I think we have to be careful in throwing around titles like uncatchable or unbeatable or whatever moniker we want to use.
And for the record, I am a warren parent and they are really good. But I am not going to put them in the untouchable, uncatchable or unbeatable mode. Even if they run the table, there is always someone out there, that on the right day, can get you.
Same can happen to East St. Louis or any other team that wears that mantle of the next great team to come along. Don't get me wrong, I think its cool to have really good football being played in Illinois. However, I think we have to be careful in throwing around titles like uncatchable or unbeatable or whatever moniker we want to use.
And for the record, I am a warren parent and they are really good. But I am not going to put them in the untouchable, uncatchable or unbeatable mode. Even if they run the table, there is always someone out there, that on the right day, can get you.
This is why High School football is so fun. Nothing is guaranteed.
Im just going to say if you give up 48 points to NV you do not have a good defense period!!!I watched NV game and was nothing spectacular.They have a good qb and good RB with good size and speed,No super star recievers.So ESL is going to have to score 40 points a game
2-0 While scoring less than 40 points so far. Not sure your statement is accurate. I also didn't know you need a superstar receiver to score on offense. Didn't NV average 30 plus point last year? Didn't they score 28 points in their first two games? Do your team have to play NV this year?
Based on empirical evidence (last week's game at NV), it seems to me that any team that can beat NV by 3 points is now a candidate for staking the claim that they could beat ESL. And by the laws of transitive property, any team that beats a team that beat NV by more than 3 points also can stake a claim. Now, let's see what happens over the next 11 weeks.
Anyone who actually watches sports, especially high school football, would know that attempting to use empirical theory in answering this question is non-sense. The only thing to be remotely considered empirically is when teams actually face-off with one another to determine the victor on that particular week.
If your theory stood, a team that lost to a team early in the season, would not stand a chance of defeating that same team on their next matchup later in the season either, based on the “empirical” results of their first matchup.
History has proven this theory to not hold, my friend.
ESL had a terrible week defensively, after they held Batavia to 17 and held scoreless a highly skilled Missouri team just the weeks before. There were a couple of key guys not playing the week that they played NV.
IMO, they went into the game taking NV somewhat lightly, along with their not being able to hold many practices last week because of heat advisories in the area.
Regardless, just keep watching.........
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This! Last year it was LWE, this year it's ESL. Some posters were easily triggered last year by any talk of LWE possibly losing or not being the absolute best and we're seeing that this year with ESL. It'll probably happen again next year too. It's keeps the forum that much more interesting. lol
That Warren/Neuqua first round playoff game last year was a sledgehammer game. A slobber knocker, as some call it. I wasn’t there but saw it on NFHS.
This ESL team is a completely different animal. 100%. Their D was not very good last week. Was it travel time? NV O? Who knows, but it could improve based on what I saw. They only gave up 17 to a really good Batavia team so I’m sure the real D lies somewhere in between.
What I saw of Warren’s offense leads me to believe that East Side would win that game. Not a definite but that’s how I would lean. I would pay top $$ to see the Warren/Loyola/MC/LWE D against the Flyers.
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ESL had a terrible week defensively, after they held Batavia to 17 and held scoreless a highly skilled Missouri team just the weeks before. There were a couple of key guys not playing the week that they played NV.
IMO, they went into the game taking NV somewhat lightly, along with their not being able to hold many practices last week because of heat advisories in the area.
Regardless, just keep watching.........[/QUOTE]
Based on this alone Thats one team I think will beat ESL.......Is ESL
ESL had a terrible week defensively, after they held Batavia to 17 and held scoreless a highly skilled Missouri team just the weeks before. There were a couple of key guys not playing the week that they played NV.
IMO, they went into the game taking NV somewhat lightly, along with their not being able to hold many practices last week because of heat advisories in the area.
Regardless, just keep watching.........[/QUOTE]
Based on this alone Thats one team I think will beat ESL.......Is ESL
Spinning off the thread title: "Can anyone stop" ... discussing East St. Louis?
ESL fans need to keep in mind that once the conference chose not to allow them to move up, the doubters increased. Any 5A/6A team that receives early season accolades like the Flyers have are going to generate a number of doubters on this board. I've seen it numerous times over the years.
Teams don't always have their "A" game. Also, with all the early season publicity, ESL is going to get every team's best game. After a long trip, ESL beat a quality 8A team when their defense was not at their best. Winning on the road without your best stuff after a long road trip is the sign of a very good team, IMO. LWE couldn't do it last year in the semis. ESL was able to do it in Week 3. Kudos to the Flyers.
The powerhouse programs will give their "A" game for sure, but some programs will wilt from the reputation. And is there anyone on the forums that doesn't think that ESL is a "very good team?" If there is, then there's likely some extreme bias or something going on because that's just nonsense. On the other hand, simply labelling ESL a "very good team" isn't enough of a compliment for some either.
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The Flyers have great talent. I didn't want to label them as a "great" team so early in the season and give the doubters additional fodder.
Bravo - they do pass the eye test, for this point of the season, when looking at the full body of work.
Every once in a while, Tim likes to toss a grenade into the chicken coop, just to watch the feathers fly. A mere three weeks ago, he said that he wouldn't be impressed by the Flyers until they consistently showed they could beat MC and a few other teams, which they haven't done. The hype last year was as bad as it is this year. In the buildup to the Carmel game, the prevailing opinion seemed to be that ESL was too big, too strong, too fast. What we saw behind the curtain was an undisciplined team that Carmel defeated handily for the second year in a row.
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That's why we love High School Football. As Public Enemy use to say "Don't believe the hype!"