NC State Defense
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They do have Dave Dorean as their HC.
Dorean has recruited an athletic DL.
ACC is becoming a QB conference as well. Their PPG is the same as the Big 12.
There are some things to like about Gibson. I think his problem last year were the CBs. At times he couldn't bring pressure because he couldn't leave his CBs on an island.
Give Gibson two decent CBs last year I think he would have had much more success.
I just don't like his 3-3-5 because it isn't as versatile as others
Dorean has recruited an athletic DL.
ACC is becoming a QB conference as well. Their PPG is the same as the Big 12.
There are some things to like about Gibson. I think his problem last year were the CBs. At times he couldn't bring pressure because he couldn't leave his CBs on an island.
Give Gibson two decent CBs last year I think he would have had much more success.
I just don't like his 3-3-5 because it isn't as versatile as others
It's all about versatility, speed, and deception in the 3-3-5. The linebackers -- as with any scheme -- need to be sure tacklers. With only 3 down linemen, the defense is susceptible to being gashed up the middle. If the linebackers miss a tackle, a 4 yard gain can quickly turn into a long run.
(WVU biggest problem last year was they couldn't tackle)
The 3-3-5 relies on versatility to match up against any formation. From the base, almost any defense can be run. If the power running game is hurting you, drop a LB down onto the DL for a 40 look.
Not much change among the DBs besides alignment/coverage disguises with the Spurs. In a normal Cover 3 call, the CBs will be inside leverage on the #1 WR and the safety will be 11 yards off the ball with his alignment depending on the hash, strength, and WR set.
The 33 Stack has an adjustment for every formation that does not require a personnel substitution. Now it should be noted that every Defensive Coordinator in a 33 scheme will also have a substitution ready where a DL will come into the game and one LB will come out. Exactly how it sounds, the DL and LBs stand up and move all over the line of scrimmage before blowing up a gap on the snap. What they give up in size and technique there, the deception and confusion make up for that. By having your best 11 athletes on the field, the versatility to match any offense is always there.
Deception and pressure. With this defense, pressure can come from anywhere at anytime. Therefore, pre-snap movement is essential. You will see the defensive line shifting across the line of scrimmage, linebackers prowling in the gaps, Spurs stemming to the edges or even starting out lined up with the safety before crashing down to their normal alignment. All of this disrupts the Quarterback's pre-snap reads for coverage and causes havoc among the offensive line calls.
To go against the 3-3-5 just read the end and the LB. If they go after the RB then keep the ball if they come straight at you give it to the RB.
Passing the ball just look for the seems. They will be there. If your going against man just watch the safety in the coverage.If the safety is coming forward throw over him. If he is playing zone them throw under him.
It all sounds easy but execution is the hard part.
(WVU biggest problem last year was they couldn't tackle)
The 3-3-5 relies on versatility to match up against any formation. From the base, almost any defense can be run. If the power running game is hurting you, drop a LB down onto the DL for a 40 look.
Not much change among the DBs besides alignment/coverage disguises with the Spurs. In a normal Cover 3 call, the CBs will be inside leverage on the #1 WR and the safety will be 11 yards off the ball with his alignment depending on the hash, strength, and WR set.
The 33 Stack has an adjustment for every formation that does not require a personnel substitution. Now it should be noted that every Defensive Coordinator in a 33 scheme will also have a substitution ready where a DL will come into the game and one LB will come out. Exactly how it sounds, the DL and LBs stand up and move all over the line of scrimmage before blowing up a gap on the snap. What they give up in size and technique there, the deception and confusion make up for that. By having your best 11 athletes on the field, the versatility to match any offense is always there.
Deception and pressure. With this defense, pressure can come from anywhere at anytime. Therefore, pre-snap movement is essential. You will see the defensive line shifting across the line of scrimmage, linebackers prowling in the gaps, Spurs stemming to the edges or even starting out lined up with the safety before crashing down to their normal alignment. All of this disrupts the Quarterback's pre-snap reads for coverage and causes havoc among the offensive line calls.
To go against the 3-3-5 just read the end and the LB. If they go after the RB then keep the ball if they come straight at you give it to the RB.
Passing the ball just look for the seems. They will be there. If your going against man just watch the safety in the coverage.If the safety is coming forward throw over him. If he is playing zone them throw under him.
It all sounds easy but execution is the hard part.
You do know WV still runs an odd man front.
The 4-2-5 and 3-3-5 can be the same defense based on what WV refers to as their Bandit.
He is a stand up LB but you have him as a DE.
But that player has to be able to put his hand in the dirt, clean up running plays and drop in coverage
Not really a DL per say.
Joseph Ossai from Texas and K'Lavon Chiasson from LSU are perfect examples.
Florida has one that is very good as well. Forgot his last name.
Texas, LSU, Florida, Georgia and Alabama all run an odd man front and can still stop the run.
You just need people who can collapse the pocket and fill the gaps on the DL.
But you also need speed. LBs and DBs who can get into the backfield and keep containment.
The 4-2-5 and 3-3-5 can be the same defense based on what WV refers to as their Bandit.
He is a stand up LB but you have him as a DE.
But that player has to be able to put his hand in the dirt, clean up running plays and drop in coverage
Not really a DL per say.
Joseph Ossai from Texas and K'Lavon Chiasson from LSU are perfect examples.
Florida has one that is very good as well. Forgot his last name.
Texas, LSU, Florida, Georgia and Alabama all run an odd man front and can still stop the run.
You just need people who can collapse the pocket and fill the gaps on the DL.
But you also need speed. LBs and DBs who can get into the backfield and keep containment.
TCUs performance against Wisconsin changed a lot of people's opinions.
Forgot their OC at the time. Might be some former no name coach from Pitt but he was going to be the OC at Texas.
But the way TCU shut down that offense had more and more people believing that having a nickel as a base defense and only 3 DL can stop the run.
The 3-4 of Bill Belichick and Wade Phillips in the NFL already proved it.
The most recent example of an odd man front dominating in the NFL is Seattle.
Pete Carroll used a lot of what Gary Patterson does on defense in his scheme.
Forgot their OC at the time. Might be some former no name coach from Pitt but he was going to be the OC at Texas.
But the way TCU shut down that offense had more and more people believing that having a nickel as a base defense and only 3 DL can stop the run.
The 3-4 of Bill Belichick and Wade Phillips in the NFL already proved it.
The most recent example of an odd man front dominating in the NFL is Seattle.
Pete Carroll used a lot of what Gary Patterson does on defense in his scheme.
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The newest defensive scheme proliferating the landscape is the Tite front
Tite front has become a ubiquitous response from defensive coordinators trying to take the wind out of offenses’ sails. From LSU to Iowa State to Army to Colgate (the university, not the toothpaste), it felt like every school made the decision to at least try out the Tite front in 2018..
This is what it looks like.
Three linemen, two inside backers, two outside backers, and four players in the secondary, with some linebacker adjustments depending on what the offense does:
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One of the things you’ll notice first is how many players are inside the offensive tackles. There’s a nose tackle, two defensive ends, and two inside linebackers. The goal is to plug up everything on the inside to force offenses to win a race to the outside.
Defensive coordinators call this “spill and kill”. It rhymes.
The shortest way to the end zone is the north-south route, so defenses are fine with offenses trying to go east-west before they are able to get downhill.
This is in stark contrast with how teams defended spread offenses as they came into vogue over the last decade or so. For most of the spread era, one of the most common ways to defend it was by going with a 4-2-5 defense that looks something like this:
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In the 4-2-5, an outside linebacker moves out of the box or just gets replaced by a nickel cornerback. That “OB” can be a linebacker who covers or a true corner.
Popularized by Gary Patterson at TCU, you couldn’t find a school not running a version of it by the mid-2000s. And It’s still popular today. Alabama bases its defense out of it, and I’m not going to be the one to tell Nick Saban how to run his defense.
The 4-2-5 defenses would usually line up in either an Over or Under front — with the best defensive tackle lined up toward the strong side in an Over or the weak side in an Under.
But there’s one big problem with the 4-2-5.
Zoom in on that diagram, and you see an open B gap between a defensive end and tackle:
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Iowa State, with their 3 safety defense, chooses to play a form of Tampa 2 defense.
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That looks like this...
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LSU’s favorite zone coverage is a version of quarters coverage. The Tigers lock the outside receivers in man-to-man and then play everyone else in a two-high safety, zone defense.
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That looks like this:
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Like all defenses, there are ups and downs to the Tite front. But it’s become the defense du jour.
That’s because it defends what spread offenses have evolved to be good at: picking on linebackers and then either throwing past them or running over their teammates.
Eventually, teams will adapt to playing football in a Tite world. Then defenses will adjust again. But for now, get ready to see a lot of it in 2019.
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2019/2/5/18205641/tite-front-defenses-explained
Tite front has become a ubiquitous response from defensive coordinators trying to take the wind out of offenses’ sails. From LSU to Iowa State to Army to Colgate (the university, not the toothpaste), it felt like every school made the decision to at least try out the Tite front in 2018..
This is what it looks like.
Three linemen, two inside backers, two outside backers, and four players in the secondary, with some linebacker adjustments depending on what the offense does:
One of the things you’ll notice first is how many players are inside the offensive tackles. There’s a nose tackle, two defensive ends, and two inside linebackers. The goal is to plug up everything on the inside to force offenses to win a race to the outside.
Defensive coordinators call this “spill and kill”. It rhymes.
The shortest way to the end zone is the north-south route, so defenses are fine with offenses trying to go east-west before they are able to get downhill.
This is in stark contrast with how teams defended spread offenses as they came into vogue over the last decade or so. For most of the spread era, one of the most common ways to defend it was by going with a 4-2-5 defense that looks something like this:
In the 4-2-5, an outside linebacker moves out of the box or just gets replaced by a nickel cornerback. That “OB” can be a linebacker who covers or a true corner.
Popularized by Gary Patterson at TCU, you couldn’t find a school not running a version of it by the mid-2000s. And It’s still popular today. Alabama bases its defense out of it, and I’m not going to be the one to tell Nick Saban how to run his defense.
The 4-2-5 defenses would usually line up in either an Over or Under front — with the best defensive tackle lined up toward the strong side in an Over or the weak side in an Under.
But there’s one big problem with the 4-2-5.
Zoom in on that diagram, and you see an open B gap between a defensive end and tackle:
Iowa State, with their 3 safety defense, chooses to play a form of Tampa 2 defense.
That looks like this...
LSU’s favorite zone coverage is a version of quarters coverage. The Tigers lock the outside receivers in man-to-man and then play everyone else in a two-high safety, zone defense.
That looks like this:
Like all defenses, there are ups and downs to the Tite front. But it’s become the defense du jour.
That’s because it defends what spread offenses have evolved to be good at: picking on linebackers and then either throwing past them or running over their teammates.
Eventually, teams will adapt to playing football in a Tite world. Then defenses will adjust again. But for now, get ready to see a lot of it in 2019.
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2019/2/5/18205641/tite-front-defenses-explained
SB Nation is alright. It is just based on the writer.
Ian Boyd does probably the best job in the Big 12. In depth analysis of the different teams schematically and the direction they are going.
Pretty much determined the direction already the conference is heading. Just matters who has the athletes. There is a general idea on how you want to play defense in the Big 12.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Ian_A_Boyd?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author
Ian Boyd does probably the best job in the Big 12. In depth analysis of the different teams schematically and the direction they are going.
Pretty much determined the direction already the conference is heading. Just matters who has the athletes. There is a general idea on how you want to play defense in the Big 12.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Ian_A_Boyd?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author
You may be right. This reminds me of the 60's/70's when the veer option was being ran frequently. If you have speed on D to play assignment football, they'll usually shut it down. Same with the wishbone. The spread is a modern day version of the veer option.
Just wait until receivers are roaming downfield freely, the secondary is tackling with their shoulders, and they put together a brilliant gameplan for an athletic qb like he did for Murray and Oklahoma, they'll figure it out. I still remember him leaving Michigan for Arizona and Michigan fans posting pictures on the Arizona board of Wolverines opponents receivers running way downfield with not a defender in site and saying have fun getting used to seeing that. At least the coffee is fresh
Alabama didn't even shut down Clemson last year and Bama supposedly had the #1 defense.
There is a blueprint that comes from both Gary Patterson and Kyle Whittingham.
Both of the coaches and their coaching tree would be called Anti Spread.
But the key is CB. Big and physical
6-0+ guy that is fluid and can cover all WRs
Last CB in college like that was Jalen Ramsey.
See old Ignored is back... posting Google facts I;ll bet. Since he/she/it is a resident of my ignore list I'll never know for sure. But nothing ever changes with the FakeTexas dude....so I can assume. Another lecture series I would bet.