which is BS because they showed they were turning it around. and to have official decisions based on reg season only and nothing with the conf tourney is laughable for them to present as the guidelines.
NCAA BRACKET SHOW THREAD
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As I write in another thread, is you are selecting a field to compete for championships you want to select first, champions, and second teams that show evidence of being able to compete for championships. In other words, you want high ceiling teams rather than low floor teams. The various metrics will punish teams who truly lose too much.
The emphasis on consistency reminds me of college football, where it is all about not losing. It is unattractive and not good for the sport.
With these in mind, selection should embrace body of work as well as anticipated ability to compete now, which does have some recency bias and requires paying attention in conference tourneys.
And OOC SOS should only be available as a helpful not handful metric of overall sos is low, so you are not overly punished for a weak conference if you schedule up.
BTW, If you lose by 20 in your conference final, you shouldn't be a 1 seed. But that's another story for another day.
Rutgers SOS was 41 probably higher than the nubs who got in over us. OOC SOS should be irrelevant really. Overall should only matter. Weighting OOC SOS counts the minority games as more important which is beyond stupid
What ever happened to Q1 wins being the most important factor?
What ever happened to Q1 wins being the most important factor?
If Penn State had won today and won the BIG, in theory RU’s net would have increased having beaten PSU twice who just beat Purdue and won the BIG.
RU would still have been out, since it seems the teams were picked last night. That would have been an even bigger travesty.
Just confirming…. We were out no matter what right? No matter what happened today?
RU would still have been out, since it seems the teams were picked last night. That would have been an even bigger travesty.
Just confirming…. We were out no matter what right? No matter what happened today?
Good luck in the tourney, you guys are on a hell of a run despite coming up a little short today
That's fair. But other than getting Simpson reps, not sure what benefit there is for the program. It would be horrible if any significant returning players (Cliff. Paul--I hope), Cam, Simpson, Woolfolk, yeh Hyatt, etc get seriously injured playing in the NIT.
It seems like they did have enough of those wins. Am I wrong? 4 Q1s (including against #1 and high ranked indiana on road) vs 1 Q1 total which was against a team (duke) who was still in their not-such-a-good team-yet portion of the season. If they want to use full body of work, pull out the top victory vs purdue and bad loss vs minn and we still show better than ncst/nevada id say.
You R crazy fella. RU should gladly accept the NIT bid as young as we are. Hell if some of the seniors don't want to play wish them luck and let's get it!
It doesn't really sound like Minnesota was the deciding factor if UNC was 1 spot behind us, with no quality wins on their resume. We would have been passed by UNC if they won vs Duke last week or vs UVA Friday night. UNC was past Clemson and would have jumped OK State, Rutgers, Nevada and probably Pitt too.
They were looking for eyeballs and ratings and ANY reason to add UNC to the mix. And no one would have blinked if UNC got in over RU if they beat Duke last week. It would have also been understood if Michigan would have pulled out the Illinois 2OT loss and/or Indiana OT loss last Sunday.
This is about name, branding and image and nothing more. Schools like NC State and Nevada had nothing on RU whatsoever.
Oklahoma State being the 1st 4 out also tells me that SOS doesn't matter....only applies to some, not all.
They were looking for eyeballs and ratings and ANY reason to add UNC to the mix. And no one would have blinked if UNC got in over RU if they beat Duke last week. It would have also been understood if Michigan would have pulled out the Illinois 2OT loss and/or Indiana OT loss last Sunday.
This is about name, branding and image and nothing more. Schools like NC State and Nevada had nothing on RU whatsoever.
Oklahoma State being the 1st 4 out also tells me that SOS doesn't matter....only applies to some, not all.
Young players? You mean Simpson and Woolfolk. Choi isn't going to play, Miller should be transferring...not worth it imo, But yeh if the team wants to then sure, as I have agreed.
Agree and with ucla coming on board it's only going to get harder if you are the 9th B1G team looking to get in.
I understand the perspective and think body of work is and has been considered.
Ultimately I think what matters is what the Committee took into consideration which is high Q1 wins (high ceiling potential), bad losses, road/neutral record, and non conf sos.
That accomplishes what you’re seeking imo
Reality is close wins and losses against non-high Q1 and Q2 games for teams in that bucket don’t tell you anything about the team. Each team is typically expected to win 4 or 5 out of 10 times.
You need the high Q1 and Q3 games to tell you who a team is and if they are worthy.
Nevada has nothing but a split with top 3 in MW and no road wins
Ru has 3 wins vs big ten top 3 by the way
I could not disagree more with selecting for "high ceiling potential". Name a single other sporting playoff/tournament like thing that selects for "high ceiling potential" as opposed to basically "average performance" (i.e. a win/loss record for sports with less unbalanced schedules). Specifically rewarding inconsistency is nonsensical.
yeah. If they're going to put this multiplier/handicap on rating the OOC SOS then I think there should be an equivalent multiplier/handicap for Conference SOS. So if you play in toughest conference (just general example) you shouldnt get dinged for missing out on some victories compared to a much lower conference who plays consistently against lower level tiered teams. and if you dont want to evaluate that way then just use the overall SOS.
SDSU Utah St and Boise St are higher in NET than every big team but Purdue.
Good example here of over valuing Rutgers Q1 wins.
Lol beating Boise isnt better than beating Indiana. Beating Utah State isnt better than winning at Northwestern
Lol net...you are looking at net
Rutgers 40
Pitt 66
Asu 65
Providence 5?
Where are you MW schools seeded and where are big 10 schools seeded
Great example of the one-sided use of the injury discussion pointing
to our best non-Purdue win as an Indiana team without their 2nd best player.
Make up your mind lol
Still below SDSU and Utah St in Kenpom.
Moral of the story just the Q1 wins weren’t very strong for RU this year. Much better last year.