NCAA got it right
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4 is not enough their are 5 conferences, they should have enough to represent each conference.
We're not talking this year we're talking in the future. I don't care if they play 16 games to make it right.
Just not sold on Clemson at all. I guess they should be in the Top 4 but who have they really beat and they just seem to stumble along at times...
Their schedule is pretty solid actually. When you win at Auburn and Florida State and at the time beat a top 3 Louisville team at home that's a pretty strong resume.
There needs to be at least 8 teams, with this 4 team format there are a couple very competitive teams that are being left out. Obviously, there will always be fringe teams, but at least with 4 additional teams you capture those who have a legitimate shot to win the championship. The NCAA, and it's infinite wisdom, agreed to a 12 year contract so we are stuck with this BS format for about 8 more years. Complete botch job by the NCAA.
I still say 4 teams are plenty.
Penn State should have gotten in over a team with the second to last non-con schedule.
If Oh St is in-PSU should have gotten in. (and I am a Michigan fan) Division champ,conference champ. Beat Oh. St. head to head. The Big 10 should have had 2 of the 4.
I don't like the idea of more games. Where does it end????
Penn State should have gotten in over a team with the second to last non-con schedule.
If Oh St is in-PSU should have gotten in. (and I am a Michigan fan) Division champ,conference champ. Beat Oh. St. head to head. The Big 10 should have had 2 of the 4.
I don't like the idea of more games. Where does it end????
I agree with the 4 teams however I don't think PSU should have gotten in. It would be difference if conferences have a tournament to determine a champion. Based on that fact, yes PSU won the Championship however, I don't think they were the best team in the big ten. Adding to that, I think you start with undefeated teams, then you go to one loss teams. If you can't find 4 based on that criteria, then you go to 2 loss teams. I don't care how strong or weak a team schedule is, you have to reward for winning within a Power 5 conference.
So beating Portland state is the ONLY reason they are in? I guest the wins don't count right?
If Penn State or Michigan only had 1 loss, they would be in period. I don't any of 2 loss teams should jump a 1 loss team in a power 5. I don't care who their non conference opponents are.
No it shouldn't. They only have three non conference games in which one was a big 10 team. Also most schedules are set well in advance which now put you in the play who's in front of you. Penn State lost by 40 to Michigan and lost to Pitt. That isn't championship worthy regardless if they gave Ohio State their only loss. If Washington and Ohio State had 2 losses, neither would be in the playoffs as Michigan and Penn State would have better 2 loss resumes
And loss big to Michigan and lost to Pitt. 2 losses. Thats all that matter if there are teams that are undefeated or only have 1 loss Period! We won't know how tough it really is until after bowl season. Similar to the SEC hype that proven just that during last bowl season.
Really I am not looking at any criteria other than the W and L column. Every team has the ability to win. The team that win the most should be there period, I don't care who you beat. Winning in college football isn't easy. To add the theory, which conference is better is the same as which High School is ranked number 1. Ohio State beat Oklahoma while Penn State lost to Pitt. If Penn State beat Pitt, there is nothing to talk about, they are in.
I like the teams that got in.
Penn State had some dogs on their schedule
Kent State
Purdue
Rutgers
Maryland
Indiana
I really like Penn State and how they finished. They have an argument with why OSU got in without winning the conference and losing head to head. But if you ask me OSU is the better team and really looks like the 2nd best team in the playoffs. I think Bama beats all of them but OSU has the best shot.
Well it really isn't going to matter who the #4 team is anyways, they will get steamrolled by Alabama.
Full disclosure - I am a UW (University of Washington) Alum and fan.
I totally get the non-con issues. But please remember - these schedules are set multiple years in advance in most cases. Moreover - The UW used to schedule much tougher non-con games when we were "good" They would schedule one "top 20" matchup home and away (Ohio State, Miami Hurricanes, Nebraska etc. Then one "normal" decent quality opponent (from what is today Power five or teams like BYU when they were good) and then one warm up game "cupcake")
The UW has had a 10 year "drought" where we were anywhere from "horrible" to respectable with a few bowl game appearances". During this span it appears they moved to a 2 cupcakes (Portland, Idaho) and a "normal" team (big10 opponent). It's going to take some time to get the Non Con scheduling turned around - but it will happen. Believe me - I am not a fan of scheduling all cupcakes and I would like to see UW move back to a 1 toughie 1 quality and 1 cupcakie Non Con outline
Everyone keeps throwing around 127th SOS Non Con - but wouldn't a better indicator be what is the SOS based on all 12/13 games that are played? If this metric is employed - there is not much difference between Penn State and Washington. 50th vs. 40th I believe?
Anyways, not sure it matters much because it would be a very tall task for either Penn State or UW to pull out the victory over Alabama.
I think the UW D (even losing two starters to season ending injury during the season) can limit the damage the Alabama offense does - but I don't like the UW offense vs. Alabama D for a couple of reasons:
* UW has to be able to run the ball with success. Not sure that is going to happen against Alabama front 7
* UW's QB is a true Sophomore (started last year as a true Freshman) and in the national spotlight games (nationally televised USC game and Pac 12 title game) it's looked like it was a bit much for him to handle at this stage of his career. USC stopped UW run game (or UW wasn't committed to the run) and UW QB really struggled and UW lost. In the pac 12 title game - UW running game overwhelmed Colorado and UW didn't need a lot of production in the passing game against that good secondary.
I hope I am wrong and UW can be productive in the run game which will allow UW QB to get some passing damage done, but all I am really hoping for is for UW to be respectable - I still remember the 0-12 season where Miami/USC etc. beat us like a drum 56-0 or some crazy scores like that. Proud traditional powers are not used to taking beat downs like that and hence the scheduling change in direction in the follow on years.
I totally get the non-con issues. But please remember - these schedules are set multiple years in advance in most cases. Moreover - The UW used to schedule much tougher non-con games when we were "good" They would schedule one "top 20" matchup home and away (Ohio State, Miami Hurricanes, Nebraska etc. Then one "normal" decent quality opponent (from what is today Power five or teams like BYU when they were good) and then one warm up game "cupcake")
The UW has had a 10 year "drought" where we were anywhere from "horrible" to respectable with a few bowl game appearances". During this span it appears they moved to a 2 cupcakes (Portland, Idaho) and a "normal" team (big10 opponent). It's going to take some time to get the Non Con scheduling turned around - but it will happen. Believe me - I am not a fan of scheduling all cupcakes and I would like to see UW move back to a 1 toughie 1 quality and 1 cupcakie Non Con outline
Everyone keeps throwing around 127th SOS Non Con - but wouldn't a better indicator be what is the SOS based on all 12/13 games that are played? If this metric is employed - there is not much difference between Penn State and Washington. 50th vs. 40th I believe?
Anyways, not sure it matters much because it would be a very tall task for either Penn State or UW to pull out the victory over Alabama.
I think the UW D (even losing two starters to season ending injury during the season) can limit the damage the Alabama offense does - but I don't like the UW offense vs. Alabama D for a couple of reasons:
* UW has to be able to run the ball with success. Not sure that is going to happen against Alabama front 7
* UW's QB is a true Sophomore (started last year as a true Freshman) and in the national spotlight games (nationally televised USC game and Pac 12 title game) it's looked like it was a bit much for him to handle at this stage of his career. USC stopped UW run game (or UW wasn't committed to the run) and UW QB really struggled and UW lost. In the pac 12 title game - UW running game overwhelmed Colorado and UW didn't need a lot of production in the passing game against that good secondary.
I hope I am wrong and UW can be productive in the run game which will allow UW QB to get some passing damage done, but all I am really hoping for is for UW to be respectable - I still remember the 0-12 season where Miami/USC etc. beat us like a drum 56-0 or some crazy scores like that. Proud traditional powers are not used to taking beat downs like that and hence the scheduling change in direction in the follow on years.
Just going on record saying that 4 teams are enough. I have a problem with a team coming in ranked 8th having a chance at the national championship. In my opinion there is a difference in the top 4 teams and the next four teams, in general. The team I am not so crazy about is Washington. I could end up being wrong about that.
So if we went to 8 teams who else would we pick?
Alabama
Clemson
Ohio State
Washington
Penn State
Michigan
Oklahoma
And?....
There's no perfect system and even with 8 you're still leaving people out.
Wisconsin?
Western Michigan?
USC?
Colorado?
Alabama
Clemson
Ohio State
Washington
Penn State
Michigan
Oklahoma
And?....
There's no perfect system and even with 8 you're still leaving people out.
Wisconsin?
Western Michigan?
USC?
Colorado?
Couldn't agree more. Penn St BEATS Ohio St in the division within the conference and plays an extra game on neutral field. Washington plays nobody in non-conf and loses to USC by 14. I am actually in the Danny Kanell camp in that u should have to win your conference to get in.
Also 4 teams is fine. Then when its 8 well that 9th team should be in, then its 16 then its 32 . Why even play reg season then.
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Well, I'd say they actually do have a tournament. You play all the teams in your division in the regular season. The two division champs play in a championship game. The winner is big ten champ. In NCAA hoops, that guarantees you a spot. In NCAA football, that means the "championship" game is complete crap and meaningless, and nothing more than a money grab.
I hate PSU. But they were conference champions in the toughest conference this year, and beat OSU head-to-head. They should go. I don't care what else OSU did, they didn't even have to put a 2nd loss on the line in a championship game. If you want a "guarantee", then go undefeated. If you are unable to do that, then the final 4 should be a "tournament of champions".
So by this logic if Florida would've beaten Bama or Virginia Tech would've beaten Clemson they should've gone?
What if Wisconsin would've beaten penn state? How would we make the argument that they deserve to go over Ohio st or Michigan since they lost to both.
Why should the 4 be conference champion? Its 5 conference so by your rule one is automatically out. That being said, tournament champion can't be the ONLY criteria. And you are right, "go undefeated". Had Penn State did that, they would be in! Unfortunately they lost bad to Michigan and to Pitt. The toughest conference will not be proven until the Bowl season. What power 5 team did Penn State beat outside of the Big 10? I'll wait. Had Ohio State not beat Oklahoma and Michigan not beat colorado, you couldn't be making the claim for the best conference. The only good win Penn State has is Ohio State by 3.
I would say if Florida beat Alabama, then Bama is out, they would have lost a conf title game on neutral field-their conf playoff game. So losing a playoff game they are out. Obviously a moot point since they won 84-6
Do you really think the number of games is that big of a deal? High school kids are playing 14 games in a season and with pre-season, some NFL teams are playing over 20 games. In addition, the way it is set up, they get almost 6 weeks to get healthy before the playoffs start. Playing one or two more games shouldn't be a big deal.