I predicted next year as your punt year last year IF your transfers wrestler last year. Since they did, this is your punt year. Just try to enjoy the next year. I've been through two myself. It's the journey as they say.
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Was hoping McNeil would go to Nebraska. Would be cool to see them reload and keeping going
What would classify as a punt year exactly? I have a hard time believing Taylor would concede anything and not try to build the best team possible each year.
The NIL $ amounts reported are the game of telephone everyone learns in elementary school come to life.
Wonder Rocco gets buyers remorse if he loses wrestle off with Zack this year.
I don’t understand the worry with swiderski…he wrestles hard… loves wrestling. If he buys in and lives life right will be a great addition. Also we have so many studs coming in…quit worrying about transfer portal..let’s watch our young studs get some matches and learn to be dominant in a year or 2…build from the ground up after the showing this year.
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I agree. Swiderski is our best wrestler in the 141-157 range. Hughes doesn't seem to be willing to make the sacrifice needed by good wrestlers to make weight, Chandler just doesn't have it, Jamison has not bought in to DT's mindset, and TT is the most limited of this group. We will need Swiderski to wrestle well in this punt year if we are to be respectable as a team.
How do you know that about Tagen and Hughes?
The math isn't mathing on PSU doing what they are doing. It is a testament to Sanderson that he continues to buttress that dynasty despite market forces, in theory, working against him.
How can PSU pay Welsh enough to land him while also paying Haines, Barr, Kasak, Lilledahl, Ono, Messenbrink, Van Ness, and Blaze? Where is Minnesota? They surely have some NIL funding getting freed up. What about Rutgers, Michigan, Cornell?
I understand that PSU has strong NIL. But is it so much stronger than other top 10 programs that it can pay 9 guys more than those school's best wrestler? No way. Credit to Sanderson for convincing kids to sacrifice short term financial gain (right or wrong) to wrestle or continue wrestling at PSU.
How can PSU pay Welsh enough to land him while also paying Haines, Barr, Kasak, Lilledahl, Ono, Messenbrink, Van Ness, and Blaze? Where is Minnesota? They surely have some NIL funding getting freed up. What about Rutgers, Michigan, Cornell?
I understand that PSU has strong NIL. But is it so much stronger than other top 10 programs that it can pay 9 guys more than those school's best wrestler? No way. Credit to Sanderson for convincing kids to sacrifice short term financial gain (right or wrong) to wrestle or continue wrestling at PSU.
I think Hughes will be fine at 141. I have no idea why you think that about Jameson. I think Travis is a warrior - not sure what you mean by limited.
And according to some Iowa fans, Penn State has the $ to help pay to upgrade other university's practice facilities to keep wrestlers away from Iowa.
It is very instersting that Starrochi publicly backs Ryder. Guy must be the real deal. Which makes the Welsh move that much more perplexing. There is unequivocally no reason for Ryder to stick around if he is that talented. He should just come on down to ok state and whip his a** from our side. Didn’t someone mention Ryder has a relationship with Taylor?
I was all in on Travis last year and I appreciated what he did a few weeks ago but where does he fit in the lineup? Travis is a warrior but he doesn't have the quickness to wrestle the smaller weights and he doesn't seem to have the strength for 157. 149 seems to be his best weight but can he beat Jamison or Swiderski.
It’s funny how we’ve convinced ourselves next year is a punt year already. Would DT have gone as hard as he did after Welch if he were punting?
2015 results sandwiched between 2011-14 and 2016-19. 2015 is not like the others. Doesn't mean 30th place but a title run is unlikely.
| Team | Points | Maximum Potential Points | # F | # 1st | # 2nd | # 3rd | # 4th | # 5th | # 6th | # 7th | # 8th |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ohio State | 102 | 102 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 1 | | 1 | | | |
| Iowa | 84 | 84 | 1 | | 1 | | 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | |
| Edinboro | 75.5 | 75.5 | 2 | | 2 | 2 | | | | | |
| Missouri | 73.5 | 73.5 | 1 | 1 | | 1 | | 1 | | 2 | |
| Cornell | 71.5 | 71.5 | 2 | 1 | 1 | | | 1 | 1 | | |
| Penn State | 67.5 | 67.5 | 1 | 1 | | 1 | | 1 | 1 | | 1 |
Or the HWY that went to Mich. We are likely to see 3-4 transfers in the lineup that are high end AA caliber.
I don’t there will be any punting. Don’t think we can afford to lose any momentum.
I love some of our current guys but the staff is looking to replace those who haven’t performed when it counted.
We have questions in 133, 174, 184( or 197 depending on where Merrill goes) and HWT right now?
what I can’t get my head around is how/why are all these guys sticking around PSU when they can’t all start? I guess they’re all some combination of self confident, arrogant, well-paid, brainwashed, or something else?
No inside info at all, but I have a feeling we land Facundo and he's locked in at 174.
Probably some of all of the above, but to be honest these dudes are all killers and all of them believe they are going to win that spot.
Some voices on the PSU board can’t fathom why a back up would leave! Lol. I think it’s a mixture of guys thinking they can win the spot and then it’s too late. And then after a wasted year it’s another chance to win the spot or a weight adjacent spot. Combine that with they want to be there and be a part of what PSU is doing so willing to sacrifice more than they might elsewhere. Hope this doesn’t continue but I don’t blame any kid that thinks that’s best for them. Just bummed we haven’t gotten to watch some of these studs more, as a fan of the sport.
But they won't so either Ryder or Rocco will have sat for two full years. It is insanity. That is not even talking about Mirsola. That kid may never see the starting lineup.
They are well compensated, all the starters and back ups. That is for sure. What ever the PSU fans say about being there to get best training and stuff, they wont be there if they are both warming bench and not get compensated.
There are only few colleges which pays well in wrestling. Like 4-5 in BIG, 2-3 in Big 12 and Cornell. PSU back ups will stay put as long as they get paid the same amount of what they get from other colleges.
There are only few colleges which pays well in wrestling. Like 4-5 in BIG, 2-3 in Big 12 and Cornell. PSU back ups will stay put as long as they get paid the same amount of what they get from other colleges.
I agree with this. I just can't see Taylor punting.... ever. I don't think that's his mental makeup. I think he differs with Cael in that regard - Cael has shown that he is willing to take a year off once in awhile. If Taylor was going to punt he would have redshirted all those guys in his first year. I think he is literally balls to the wall at all times trying to build the best team possible every year and he has to be thinking that this years NCAA created a huge spark of momentum that he needs to fan into a flame. Also after what OSU did with its transfers this year I would think a lot of transfers would want to wrestle for Taylor.
Starocci doesn't have much of a filter, lol. Yes, Ryder is the real deal. That's why a lot of Penn State fans were very surprised by this one. Something you guys might not be aware of is that Welsh, Ryder and Duke were all on the same club team before college. Ryder did forgo his senior season in high school and moved to train with DT at M2.
Cael's not taking any more years off. That should be pretty apparent the way he's stockpiling talent. It's a full-scale arms race now. I'm sure DT will be competitive.
I don’t think we can afford to punt. Need to establish ourselves as that clear number two to penn state and keep stacking recruiting wins. I do wish some of these kids at penn state would transfer out. Seems like it has to happen at some point. I can’t imagine being willing to sit for multiple years of eligibility if you are a top end guy.
Punt is just a bad term. I don't think anyone actually thinks DT is going to "punt" next year. On paper, we could take a small step back in the short term.
Davis has a redshirt still so doesn’t hurt him to see where he is at for a year then decide. Nagao will be a 3rd year Freshman? Is that right? Lol. Would benefit him to bounce unless he is really confident I guess. Assuming he wants to wrestle.
Do you think Ryder leaves?. I can’t believe someone of his talent level would want to take the chance on beating out a national runner up to possibly only be able to wrestle your sr year.
He's not leaving. Everyone around him, like Carter, is telling him he's the best and he will win the spot.
IMO the difference here is Cael was able to punt because he wasn't chasing anyone who was so far out front, that he knew he could punt and win the next year. DT knows he has to sustain momentum and build on it to gain ground on PSU.