NCAA Rankings 12/15/2025

[maxpain]

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Rank	Team	Points	Previous
1	Ohio State	107.5	1
2	Iowa	106	3
3	Penn State	102.5	2
4	Iowa State	91.5	4
5	OK State	78.5	5
6	NC State	67.5	6
7	Nebraska	54	7
8	Stanford	36.5	8
9	Cornell	35.5	9
10	Illinois	33.5	10

 

[maxpain]

 

[Sett1997]

These rankings are spot on! Btw, I just listed a bridge for sale if anyone is interested.
Only $100k, must be paid with Target Gift Cards.

 

[lookleftgoright]

I think Caliendo beats Messenbrink this year and catapults the Hawks to a national championship. That is my way of saying the rankings are wrong.

 

[SJP80]

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Rank	Team	Points	Previous
1	Ohio State	107.5	1
2	Iowa	106	3
3	Penn State	102.5	2
4	Iowa State	91.5	4
5	OK State	78.5	5
6	NC State	67.5	6
7	Nebraska	54	7
8	Stanford	36.5	8
9	Cornell	35.5	9
10	Illinois	33.5	10

Why settle for second?

 

[whejoe]

Pyles, the guy who ranked Jimmy Gulibon #1 at 141 a decade ago, must be doing the rankings…..

 

[maxpain]

Why settle for second?

I would take 2nd in a heartbeat this year….

 

[MSU158]

Pyles, the guy who ranked Jimmy Gulibon #1 at 141 a decade ago, must be doing the rankings…..

I am sure it will correct itself relatively soon. You just have to understand that the rankings just replaced Barr with a freshman in Mirasola and Kasak with another freshman in Duke. Both guys are very solid, but there SHOULD be a very large expected gap until either, or both, do something to clearly show the gap isn't that wide.

Meanwhile, tOSU has most certainly done a LOT early to make themselves look really good. Their recent track record in March makes it VERY likely they don't sniff this spot when it matters, but RIGHT NOW, they are where they should be.

Comparing the lineups, I definitely still believe PSU wins comfortably but this lineup looks much more "touchable" than one with Barr and Kasak:

PSU-Looking at that roster a LOT comes down to how the freshmen perform(Blaze is a lock for top 5), especially Duke and the 2 Mirasolas perform. If they fizzle it can be relatively close. If they AA, PSU runs away with it, which they could possibly do, even if they fizzle, due to a lot of bonus from their hammers...
125: Lilledahl (2)
133: Blaze (7)
141: Nagao (11)
149: Van Ness (1)
157: Duke (11)
165: Mesenbrink (1)
174: Haines (1)
184: Welsh (4)
197: Mirasola (10)
285: Mirasola (14)

tOSU-8 out of 10 guys are ranked top 6 and the other 2 are 9th and 12th, if they actually place to their, so far, EARNED rankings they would be very hard to beat.
125: Bouzakis (5)
133: Davino (2)
141: Mendez (1)
149: Stiles (4)
157: Cannon (5)
165: Gallagher (12)
174: Kharchla (4)
184: Fishback (6)
197: Geog (9)
285: Feldman (3)

Iowa-So much hinges on what the Little Rock guys do when it matters. Iowa will almost certainly need at least 1 of the 2 to finish on the podium to finish top 3 in March. But, for now, they have 9 out of 10 ranked to AA and the 10th in the blood round. Pretty sure damn near every Iowa fan would take that finish right now if they could!

125: Peterson (7)
133: Ayala (4)
141: Bailey (10)
149: Block (6)
157: Williams (8)
165: Caliendo (3)
174: Kennedy (3)
184: Ferrari (1)
197: Endene (3)
285: Kueter (5)

 

[IRON HAWK]

I am sure it will correct itself relatively soon. You just have to understand that the rankings just replaced Barr with a freshman in Mirasola and Kasak with another freshman in Duke. Both guys are very solid, but there SHOULD be a very large expected gap until either, or both, do something to clearly show the gap isn't that wide.

Meanwhile, tOSU has most certainly done a LOT early to make themselves look really good. Their recent track record in March makes it VERY likely they don't sniff this spot when it matters, but RIGHT NOW, they are where they should be.

Comparing the lineups, I definitely still believe PSU wins comfortably but this lineup looks much more "touchable" than one with Barr and Kasak:

PSU-Looking at that roster a LOT comes down to how the freshmen perform(Blaze is a lock for top 5), especially Duke and the 2 Mirasolas perform. If they fizzle it can be relatively close. If they AA, PSU runs away with it, which they could possible do even if they fizzle due to a lot of bonus from their hammers...
125: Lilledahl (2)
133: Blaze (7)
141: Nagao (11)
149: Van Ness (1)
157: Duke (11)
165: Mesenbrink (1)
174: Haines (1)
184: Welsh (4)
197: Mirasola (10)
285: Mirasola (14)

tOSU-8 out of 10 guys are ranked top 6 and the other 2 are 9th and 12th, if they actually place to their, so far, EARNED rankings they would be very hard to beat.
125: Bouzakis (5)
133: Davino (2)
141: Mendez (1)
149: Stiles (4)
157: Cannon (5)
165: Gallagher (12)
174: Kharchla (4)
184: Fishback (6)
197: Geog (9)
285: Feldman (3)

Iowa-So much hinges on what the Little Rock guys do when it matters. Iowa will almost certainly need at least 1 of the 2 to finish on the podium to finish top 3 in March. But, for now, they have 9 out of 10 ranked to AA and the 10th in the blood round. Pretty sure damn near every Iowa fan would take that finish right now if they could!

125: Peterson (7)
133: Ayala (4)
141: Bailey (10)
149: Block (6)
157: Williams (8)
165: Caliendo (3)
174: Kennedy (3)
184: Ferrari (1)
197: Endene (3)
285: Kueter (5)

Good write up, my TWOOOO cents- I would find it hard to believe they roll out Blaze or Duke if they don't feel they are a title threat. I mean unless other guys are hurt, why would you?

Ohio st matches up pretty well in a dual.

Not sure they could steal one at 125 but should be a close match, would need to win at 33. Possible bonus at 141 as Mendez is on a tear!!! 149 again would be a tuff one to steal, but should be competitive? Need to win 157, keep 165 close, in same situation at 174 as 25 and 49.

I believe 184 you have a better shot at an upset then anywhere else. Have to win 97 and Heavy.

As for the NCAAs that road seems to be a lot harder, but as you say. Maybe some of the F*** st guys crap out or don't live up to the hype!?!?!

Lets hope IOWA is the team hitting on ALL cylinders come March!!!

 

[MSU158]

Good write up, my TWOOOO cents- I would find it hard to believe they roll out Blaze or Duke if they don't feel they are a title threat. I mean unless other guys are hurt, why would you?

Ohio st matches up pretty well in a dual.

Not sure they could steal one at 125 but should be a close match, would need to win at 33. Possible bonus at 141 as Mendez is on a tear!!! 149 again would be a tuff one to steal, but should be competitive? Need to win 157, keep 165 close, in same situation at 174 as 25 and 49.

I believe 184 you have a better shot at an upset then anywhere else. Have to win 97 and Heavy.

As for the NCAAs that road seems to be a lot harder, but as you say. Maybe some of the F*** st guys crap out or don't live up to the hype!?!?!

Lets hope IOWA is the team hitting on ALL cylinders come March!!!

133 is LOADED. If they didn't wrestle Blaze, they were going to have some serious issues between 133 and 141. I don't know if Davis or Nagao could even make 133 anymore and there would be a very solid chance neither AA at 133. Even with them at 141, that is probably their weakest weight and they could possibly not AA there as well. Duke should do well, but a healthy Kasak was a monster at that weight. He has a lot to prove to be considered in the same breath as Kasak.

When the rubber hits the road, I absolutely expect PSU to win by a very comfortable margin. However, RIGHT NOW, the rankings are what they should be until the 4 freshmen get past the meat of their schedule and show for sure just how good they are...

 

[Cali_Nittany1]

133 is LOADED. If they didn't wrestle Blaze, they were going to have some serious issues between 133 and 141. I don't know if Davis or Nagao could even make 133 anymore and there would be a very solid chance neither AA at 133. Even with them at 141, that is probably their weakest weight and they could possibly not AA there as well. Duke should do well, but a healthy Kasak was a monster at that weight. He has a lot to prove to be considered in the same breath as Kasak.

When the rubber hits the road, I absolutely expect PSU to win by a very comfortable margin. However, RIGHT NOW, the rankings are what they should be until the 4 freshmen get past the meat of their schedule and show for sure just how good they are...

Duke>Kasak

 

[MSU158]

Duke>Kasak

I know room familiarity makes a difference but a 2-1 win over Sealey makes me question this a bit. No offense to Jimmy Harrington, but Sealey lost to him already this season. Meanwhile, Kasak, concussion free, was absolutely wrecking people. I know Duke is legit, but he still has to prove it on a DI mat...

 

[JoeBagobagels]

I know room familiarity makes a difference but a 2-1 win over Sealey makes me question this a bit. No offense to Jimmy Harrington, but Sealey lost to him already this season. Meanwhile, Kasak, concussion free, was absolutely wrecking people. I know Duke is legit, but he still has to prove it on a DI mat...

While they haven't been against returning AAs he has pinned 5/6 opponents and the other had a medical forfeit.

 

[MSU158]

While they haven't been against returning AAs he has pinned 5/6 opponents and the other had a medical forfeit.

If I knew about the 2-1 win over Sealey and Sealey's loss to Harrington, don't you think I would know who Duke has wrestled so far? Again, I am not saying Duke won't prove to be good or even great, but he needs to actually beat legit AA type opponents BEFORE ANYONE would, let alone should, put him above Kasak...

 

[JoeBagobagels]

If I knew about the 2-1 win over Sealey and Sealey's loss to Harrington, don't you think I would know who Duke has wrestled so far? Again, I am not saying Duke won't prove to be good or even great, but he needs to actually beat legit AA type opponents BEFORE ANYONE would, let alone should, put him above Kasak...

One person who knows more than you put him there. Want to guess who that is?

 

[MSU158]

One person who knows more than you put him there. Want to guess who that is?

Feel free to enlighten me and make sure you give me an in-depth answer as to how you know exactly what that person was thinking when he put him there and what he knew precisely to feel that way. I am all ears...

 

[Cali_Nittany1]

I know room familiarity makes a difference but a 2-1 win over Sealey makes me question this a bit. No offense to Jimmy Harrington, but Sealey lost to him already this season. Meanwhile, Kasak, concussion free, was absolutely wrecking people. I know Duke is legit, but he still has to prove it on a DI mat...

I totally get that. It's just my opinion. Yes, he will have to prove it on the mat.

 

[kingstown]

Duke is an absolute monster. He is the best guy in this weight class, but that doesn't mean he will absolutely win. Duke placing not in the top 3 would be unbelievable imo. It is obvious PSU will run away with the tournament title yet again, and everyone with a pulse knows this is the case. Rankings can be justified by whatever metric somebody chooses to use, but it doesn't make them credible. I understand rankings are not predictions, but they should somewhat reflect reality if they want people to take them seriously. It is why Willie doing the crystal ball is so much better because it is grounded much closer to how things really stack up.

 

[AndEEss]

If I knew about the 2-1 win over Sealey and Sealey's loss to Harrington, don't you think I would know who Duke has wrestled so far? Again, I am not saying Duke won't prove to be good or even great, but he needs to actually beat legit AA type opponents BEFORE ANYONE would, let alone should, put him above Kasak...

Duke absolutely smashed Logan Rozynski, who beat NCAA champion Antrell Taylor 9-1.

 

[MSU158]

Duke is an absolute monster. He is the best guy in this weight class, but that doesn't mean he will absolutely win. Duke placing not in the top 3 would be unbelievable imo. It is obvious PSU will run away with the tournament title yet again, and everyone with a pulse knows this is the case. Rankings can be justified by whatever metric somebody chooses to use, but it doesn't make them credible. I understand rankings are not predictions, but they should somewhat reflect reality if they want people to take them seriously. It is why Willie doing the crystal ball is so much better because it is grounded much closer to how things really stack up.

To be clear, my argument isn't even that Duke can't win a title. 157 is maybe the weakest weight, so I wouldn't be surprised if he won it. I was simply saying putting him ahead of Kasak right now is a giant leap of faith when we haven't even seen him beat an AA yet and we do have a 2-1 win over Sealey to look at.

Based on what he has done so far where should ANY ranker have him right now? Just put him #1? If asked, what you would legitimately say you based that ranking on?

 

[kingstown]

To be clear, my argument isn't even that Duke can't win a title. 157 is maybe the weakest weight, so I wouldn't be surprised if he won it. I was simply saying putting him ahead of Kasak right now is a giant leap of faith when we haven't even seen him beat an AA yet and we do have a 2-1 win over Sealey to look at.

Based on what he has done so far where should ANY ranker have him right now? Just put him #1? If asked, what you would legitimately say you based that ranking on?

I agree. Rankings are not predictions nor accurate snap shots of current skill level. They are useless.

 

[MSU158]

Duke absolutely smashed Logan Rozynski, who beat NCAA champion Antrell Taylor 9-1.

Logan is 4-2 and also got smashed by Kannon Webster this season. 157 is as thin as a bulimic runway model, so Duke may absolutely prove to be the best at the weight, but I still need to see him show consistency and beat actual AA's.

Also, Taylor had a miracle run at NCAA's, with an inarguable amount of luck. His wins were James Conway, Jude Swisher, Matt Bianchi, Meyer Shapiro and Joey Blaze. The fact that Blaze was his finals opponents shows how thin that weight was.

With that said, I was actually being complimentary of Kasak. Healthy and concussion free, he was a monster and I would think EVERYONE would want to see a lot more from ANY wrestler before putting him ahead of Kasak...

 

[MSU158]

I agree. Rankings are not predictions nor accurate snap shots of current skill level. They are useless.

They definitely aren't useless as they are a key component of seeding. Just like seeding, you EARN your ranking based on your performances over a period of time. And, just like the seeding criteria now, rankings should take as much personal bias out of it as possible. It should be as results based as it possibly can be. If you want your ranking/seeding to be as accurate as possible you need to get in as many matches as you can based on your schedule and especially focus on wrestling the matches on your schedule where other ranked opponents line up.

Look, I get that PSU has a great track record and their recruiting is so next level that nearly every freshman is a top 5 lb4lb recruit. But, taking off the PSU glasses, you have to understand that EVERYONE else needs to actually seem them consistently beat top opponents before just saying they will and accepting that they are better than someone as good as Kasak. Especially when Kasak looked like he was going to decimate the weight class(he destroyed Taylor multiple times) before all his health issues...

 

[kingstown]

They definitely aren't useless as they are a key component of seeding. Just like seeding, you EARN your ranking based on your performances over a period of time. And, just like the seeding criteria now, rankings should take as much personal bias out of it as possible. It should be as results based as it possibly can be. If you want your ranking/seeding to be as accurate as possible you need to get in as many matches as you can based on your schedule and especially focus on wrestling the matches on your schedule where other ranked opponents line up.

Look, I get that PSU has a great track record and their recruiting is so next level that nearly every freshman is a top 5 lb4lb recruit. But, taking off the PSU glasses, you have to understand that EVERYONE else needs to actually seem them consistently beat top opponents before just saying they will and accepting that they are better than someone as good as Kasak. Especially when Kasak looked like he was going to decimate the weight class(he destroyed Taylor multiple times) before all his health issues...

And we know Cael (while having Kasak) has chosen to insert true freshman PJ Duke into the starting line up. Cael is a guy who has not thrown true freshman into the lineup ahead of returning AA guys. He did it two places this year with Duke and Blaze. Nobody can actually see the future but it takes a lot more blind faith to think these guys will falter than succeed.

 

[MSU158]

And we know Cael (while having Kasak) has chosen to insert true freshman PJ Duke into the starting line up. Cael is a guy who has not thrown true freshman into the lineup ahead of returning AA guys. He did it two places this year with Duke and Blaze. Nobody can actually see the future but it takes a lot more blind faith to think these guys will falter than succeed.

Make no mistake, I don't think Duke will "falter" and have already seen enough of Blaze to know he is right in the mix in a crazy top heavy weight class. I just haven't seen nearly enough to even begin to put him even with Kasak, let alone clearly ahead of him.

Also, wasn't Kasak shirted so he has some time to get healthy and past the concussions?

 

[grapplefan]

I think Caliendo beats Messenbrink this year and catapults the Hawks to a national championship. That is my way of saying the rankings are wrong.

From your lips to God's ear . . .
Go Hawks!

 

[LIV4GOD]

I think Caliendo beats Messenbrink this year and catapults the Hawks to a national championship. That is my way of saying I'm the ultimate Iowa homer in the history of the mat.

FIFY

 

[Corby2]

Make no mistake, I don't think Duke will "falter" and have already seen enough of Blaze to know he is right in the mix in a crazy top heavy weight class. I just haven't seen nearly enough to even begin to put him even with Kasak, let alone clearly ahead of him.

Also, wasn't Kasak shirted so he has some time to get healthy and past the concussions?

He wrestled Bill Farrell early November

 

[kingstown]

Make no mistake, I don't think Duke will "falter" and have already seen enough of Blaze to know he is right in the mix in a crazy top heavy weight class. I just haven't seen nearly enough to even begin to put him even with Kasak, let alone clearly ahead of him.

Also, wasn't Kasak shirted so he has some time to get healthy and past the concussions?

He just wrestled at the Bill F so the time to get healthy stuff isn't a factor. Cael has seen plenty of Kasak and Duke and he made the decision, but I realize he probably doesn't have your keen eye for judging skill. Either Cael think Duke will win or he just doesn't care about team titles in March and wants to let other teams have a fair chance. Saint Cael

 

[pish69]

133 is LOADED. If they didn't wrestle Blaze, they were going to have some serious issues between 133 and 141. I don't know if Davis or Nagao could even make 133 anymore and there would be a very solid chance neither AA at 133. Even with them at 141, that is probably their weakest weight and they could possibly not AA there as well.

Not sure about "serious" issues at 133. PSU could have thrown in World Champ Ono into that weight..unless you don't think freestyle translates

 

[MSU158]

He wrestled Bill Farrell early November

I know that. He won it. I was simply asking if Duke has the spot because he beat Kasak out or if a redshirt was in Kasak's best interest...Mind you, one tournament in November is a lot different than wrestling an entire B1G schedule.

Also, there is a reason I have asked PSU fans to enlighten me, even directly asking Bagel Boy to give me details. If someone close to the program is watching Duke beat up on Kasak, I am all ears. I have never once said Duke isn't a stud. I just personally haven't seen enough to begin to put him over Kasak and apparently the rankers that are infinitely closer to the program than me haven't been told that either....

 

[MSU158]

Not sure about "serious" issues at 133. PSU could have thrown in World Champ Ono into that weight..unless you don't think freestyle translates

I openly admit I didn't even think of Ono. I have no idea how that will translate. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. I would assume he is redshirting because it gives him much more time to assimilate to mat wrestling....

Look, I love how all the PSU slappies come out of the woodwork when I talk about PSU. You are so blinded by it being me that you somehow see insults that aren't there. I have said that I think PSU wins it easily. I even said I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Duke wins it all. All I have been doing is defending how good I believe Kasak to be. Hell, the guy just won the Gold at the Bill Farrell.


You guys are just so damn easy.....and there are some on here that say I don't annoy PSU fans! LMFAO...

 

[maxpain]

I openly admit I didn't even think of Ono. I have no idea how that will translate. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. I would assume he is redshirting because it gives him much more time to assimilate to mat wrestling....

Look, I love how all the PSU slappies come out of the woodwork when I talk about PSU. You are so blinded by it being me that you somehow see insults that aren't there. I have said that I think PSU wins it easily. I even said I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Duke wins it all. All I have been doing is defending how good I believe Kasak to be. Hell, the guy just won the Gold at the Bill Farrell.


You guys are just so damn easy.....and there are some on here that say I don't annoy PSU fans! LMFAO...

HOW DARE YOU SAY A PSU WRESTLER MIGHT BE AS GOOD AS A DIFFERENT PSU WRESTLER

 

[kingstown]

I openly admit I didn't even think of Ono. I have no idea how that will translate. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. I would assume he is redshirting because it gives him much more time to assimilate to mat wrestling....

Look, I love how all the PSU slappies come out of the woodwork when I talk about PSU. You are so blinded by it being me that you somehow see insults that aren't there. I have said that I think PSU wins it easily. I even said I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Duke wins it all. All I have been doing is defending how good I believe Kasak to be. Hell, the guy just won the Gold at the Bill Farrell.


You guys are just so damn easy.....and there are some on here that say I don't annoy PSU fans! LMFAO...

I am not a PSU "slapie" whatever that happens to be? Are you a flo slappie like you seem to be? I don't think Cael is saint Cael but rather the type of guy who would put his mom in jail in order to win. I can't believe he would risk his team winning a title by putting an unknown quantity on the mat (Duke) instead of a proven quantity (Kasak) unless he was very convinced that the outcome would be at least equal. I'm trusting Cael's eyes fore evaluating talent over your show me proof attitude. I have seen enough of Duke to know he is an animal.

 

[MSU158]

I am not a PSU "slapie" whatever that happens to be? Are you a flo slappie like you seem to be? I don't think Cael is saint Cael but rather the type of guy who would put his mom in jail in order to win. I can't believe he would risk his team winning a title by putting an unknown quantity on the mat (Duke) instead of a proven quantity (Kasak) unless he was very convinced that the outcome would be at least equal. I'm trusting Cael's eyes fore evaluating talent over your show me proof attitude. I have seen enough of Duke to know he is an animal.

To be clear, neither I nor Flo is considering Duke an unknown. They already have him 11th and I fully expect him to AA. I simply think it is more than fair to actually need to see him consistently beat the top competition before thinking he is better than Kasak.

Also, it is entirely possible and reasonable to put Duke out on the mat instead of Kasak, even if he isn’t as good as Kasak, if it is what is best for Kasak. It’s not like they desperately need huge points from Duke to win. In fact, I am pretty confident they could score 0 points at 157 and still win it all.

 

[Corby2]

I know that. He won it. I was simply asking if Duke has the spot because he beat Kasak out or if a redshirt was in Kasak's best interest...Mind you, one tournament in November is a lot different than wrestling an entire B1G schedule.

Also, there is a reason I have asked PSU fans to enlighten me, even directly asking Bagel Boy to give me details. If someone close to the program is watching Duke beat up on Kasak, I am all ears. I have never once said Duke isn't a stud. I just personally haven't seen enough to begin to put him over Kasak and apparently the rankers that are infinitely closer to the program than me haven't been told that either....

Rankers wouldn't move a guy up because hes winning the battles in the room. It works for now the thought is Duke can RS next year. I think Duke or Mitchell will go up to 174 next year. I don't see Duke wanting to RS in 27 if he's thinking about taking an ORS in 2028.

 

[MSU158]

Rankers wouldn't move a guy up because hes winning the battles in the room. It works for now the thought is Duke can RS next year. I think Duke or Mitchell will go up to 174 next year. I don't see Duke wanting to RS in 27 if he's thinking about taking an ORS in 2028

Rankers are human. If they knew Duke was beating up on Kasak, I am pretty confident they would find a way to put an undefeated Duke higher than 11th…

 

[redghost1974]

I am not a PSU "slapie" whatever that happens to be? Are you a flo slappie like you seem to be? I don't think Cael is saint Cael but rather the type of guy who would put his mom in jail in order to win. I can't believe he would risk his team winning a title by putting an unknown quantity on the mat (Duke) instead of a proven quantity (Kasak) unless he was very convinced that the outcome would be at least equal. I'm trusting Cael's eyes fore evaluating talent over your show me proof attitude. I have seen enough of Duke to know he is an animal.

Duke is not unknown. If they are at the same weight next year, Kasak is bumping (no pun intended) up.

 

[Corby2]

Rankers are human. If they knew Duke was beating up on Kasak, I am pretty confident they would find a way to put an undefeated Duke higher than 11th…

Not how it works. Rankings aren't predictions. They're data driven. Goes in practice have never and will never factor into rankings

 

[one8alpha]

I know that. He won it. I was simply asking if Duke has the spot because he beat Kasak out or if a redshirt was in Kasak's best interest...Mind you, one tournament in November is a lot different than wrestling an entire B1G schedule.

Also, there is a reason I have asked PSU fans to enlighten me, even directly asking Bagel Boy to give me details. If someone close to the program is watching Duke beat up on Kasak, I am all ears. I have never once said Duke isn't a stud. I just personally haven't seen enough to begin to put him over Kasak and apparently the rankers that are infinitely closer to the program than me haven't been told that either....

If you haven’t already, watch his match against Sealey. Duke wrestled him like buddies wrestle each other. Duke didn’t bring his brutality to that match at all.