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[Shelby65]

With the astronomical B1G deal and north of $70M payout per team as annually (except Ore and Wash), would ND be worth adding any more ?

I know, ND had been perceived to be the Holy Grail of expansion, but isn’t their deal / broadcasting worth about $40M?

Adding them at full share and a 20th team at a half share minimum
would require at least $100M in added broadcast revenue a year for payouts to stay flat or grow, right ?

 

[RUTGERS95]

no, their deal was 22mm and that included merchandising and pay from ACC.

NBC is not paying them 70+ mm to remain indy and the more schools that move to conferences, the harder it will be for them to manage their schedule. No one in the conference is really going to want to play non cupcakes out of conference.

 

[Shelby65]

Ok, but my question still is, at this point are they still added value ? Wouldn’t they need to be worth at least the big 10 payout to make adding them worth it ?

 

[superfan01]

Ok, but my question still is, at this point are they still added value ? Wouldn’t they need to be worth at least the big 10 payout to make adding them worth it ?

ND would add tons of value if they decided to join any conference. They are worth it along with a 20th team. They are the number 1 property in college football and right on the BIG neighborhood

 

[Shelby65]

So, 22M to NBC for rights but 70M plus value now to Big10 ?

I don’t think they are the prize they used to be.

 

[superfan01]

So, 22M to NBC for rights but 70M plus value now to Big10 ?

I don’t think they are the prize they used to be.

They are going to get a big bump from NBC.

 

[krup]

So, 22M to NBC for rights but 70M plus value now to Big10 ?

I don’t think they are the prize they used to be.

As part of the story of the B12 getting approval from ESPN and Fox that any P5 teams added to get to 16 would increase the tv deals pro rata, it was reported that the only team the B1G’s three TV partners have approved similarly is Notre Dame,

 

[mdk02]

Ok, but my question still is, at this point are they still added value ? Wouldn’t they need to be worth at least the big 10 payout to make adding them worth it ?

Are they willing to give up their scheduling independence, broadcast control and the homer refs?

 

[RUTGERS95]

They are going to get a big bump from NBC.

not that much

 

[Plum Street]

Are they willing to give up their scheduling independence, broadcast control and the homer refs?

No. As long as they have a path to the playoffs , they will stay independent and not take the highest dollar . It’s kinda admirable

 

[Saint Puppy]

ND is the prettiest girl at the prom - they can go where they want, when they want, how they want and whatever conference will kiss the ground that they got chosen!

 

[ashokan]

ND had a crappy season last year with 4 loses (two are Marshall and Stanford)
Yet they finished 6th for weekly ratings with 3.3m per week - better than LSU, Texas, Clemson and PSU

 

[brgRC90]

So, 22M to NBC for rights but 70M plus value now to Big10 ?

I don’t think they are the prize they used to be.

I agree. College football has changed a lot and the media around it has changed, too. Notre Dame just isn't that big of a deal anymore, not like they used to be anyway. And they seem unlikely to break into the upper echelons.

 

[krup]

I agree. College football has changed a lot and the media around it has changed, too. Notre Dame just isn't that big of a deal anymore, not like they used to be anyway. And they seem unlikely to break into the upper echelons.

As I mentioned above, Notre Dame is the one school the B1G can offer knowing they have been approved by the TV partners as a pro rata revenue increase.

I think their days as a top team on the field are over, but they are still a top team in fan and (more importantly) network interest.

 

[Shelby65]

As part of the story of the B12 getting approval from ESPN and Fox that any P5 teams added to get to 16 would increase the tv deals pro rata, it was reported that the only team the B1G’s three TV partners have approved similarly is Notre Dame,

So they agreed to a price that will increase everyone’s share ? There’s an added-value tipping point and we may have reached it.

I think all would agree that NDs popularity and relevance is on the decline, more so the former.

The only thing that forces ND to move is the ACC breaking up. And if that happens, I take either or both of Clemson/FSU first.

 

[jakeknight]

Realistically where do they go? Don't see them in them in the SEC, not a good fit, definitely not the Big 12, even a worse fit, ACC , not hooking up with that sinking ship. Big 10 is the best overall fit, not saying they end up there but it is the best fit for them. Scheduling appears to be a potential problem on the horizon for the Domers. Money, everybody is saying NBC will give them a big bump why? Where's their leverage? They don't want a conference, they have not been championship level contenders, maybe NBC throws them a few more dollars but where's there leverage? If dollars and image become a serious issue the only realistic pathway is to a conference. Right now all the national championship interest flows to the Big and the SEC. Recruiting has been impacted as there are two key conferences with an apparent ramp to the Championship series. This last round has been significant and if FSU and Clemson can figure out a way to exit the ACC the picture gets a lot more clear. This last round of consolidation has been clearly significant and has separated the conference pack

 

[ru66]

If ND is to be " admired" let them save the ACC.

 

[mdk02]

ND had a crappy season last year with 4 loses (two are Marshall and Stanford)
Yet they finished 6th for weekly ratings with 3.3m per week - better than LSU, Texas, Clemson and PSU

I wonder to what degree their record affects their ratings. I'm not sure it is significant.

 

[TDIrish27]

Are they willing to give up their scheduling independence, broadcast control and the homer refs?

Yeah ACC refs----they just love us. LOL

 

[TDIrish27]

As I mentioned above, Notre Dame is the one school the B1G can offer knowing they have been approved by the TV partners as a pro rata revenue increase.

I think their days as a top team on the field are over, but they are still a top team in fan and (more importantly) network interest.

We have won 53 games over the last 5 years which ranks us 6th among all D-1 football schools.

Are we Georgia or Bama ?

Absolutely not and likely never will be again but we aren't USC who has won 33.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Scheduling if conferences ever go to 10 games and good home for their other sports outside of football are their 2 potential issues.

CFP access, they will likely always have, especially at 12 and then who knows maybe 16 in the future.

Money, they've got plenty and I don't think they need to be in the same figure as the B10. If they're within 20-25M I think that would be fine with them. They need a media partner like NBC but I don't think they need NBC to pay to them what they pay to the B10. They just signed an apparel deal with UA which I think they said was the richest apparel deal in college athletics. They've got plenty of donors too.

Scheduling and other sports are their possible weak points to get them to join. The B10 has made an attractive national home with many rivals. Wreck their current home a little and then see what happens. It's as good a shot as you'll get. Will the left over ACC or BE or whomever be enough for their other sports? Who knows?

 

[Nycrusupporter]

We have won 53 games over the last 5 years which ranks us 6th among all D-1 football schools.

Are we Georgia or Bama ?

Absolutely not and likely never will be again but we aren't USC who has won 33.

Looking backward that is true, but now USC has a much better coach than ND, and I would now expect USC to win more games going forward, even with ND’s cream puff schedule.

 

[Arizona Knight]

So, 22M to NBC for rights but 70M plus value now to Big10 ?

I don’t think they are the prize they used to be.

I have a friend that works for Stub Hub. He said the biggest draw for ticket demand in college football is ND. Yes they are still worth it.

 

[e5fdny]

I have a friend that works for Stub Hub. He said the biggest draw for ticket demand in college football is ND. Yes they are still worth it.

Don’t matter more than butts these days?

If they are still getting the former, yeah, it matters.

 

[Arizona Knight]

Don’t matter more than butts these days?

If they are still getting the former, yeah, it matters.

The data on eyeballs supports the idea that people watch ND. Many of them are hoping they lose, but they still watch.

 

[ashokan]

I have a friend that works for Stub Hub. He said the biggest draw for ticket demand in college football is ND. Yes they are still worth it.

I'm not an ND fan or a hater and know that if ND is on a team's schedule that game is going to be the highlighted game for most teams.

I think a prolem for ND has been that CFB isn't really "college" anymore. Who even knows the "gipper" schtick anymore? ND were like the Yankees of CFB - lots of fans and lots of haters - both drove ratings. ND could be down for awhile but as soon as they got hot they would go to the top again.

I think the ND coach is important and Kelly was hard to like or look-up to.
Last time ND won the NC they were running the option under Holtz and that's a long time ago

 

[Brisket and Bourbon]

Ahhh northern Indiana catholic…what a pretentious bunch of aholes…

 

[mikeinsec127]

When it becomes time for the ACC to fall apart, the BIG will offer ND, UVa, UNC and Duke. They will accept because both the $ and prestige will be a step up. If for some reason they don’t, there are 20 other ACC/B12 schools who will.

 

[j_rc_93]

Are they willing to give up their scheduling independence, broadcast control and the homer refs?

They gave up their scheduling independence to the ACC. ND's schedule was always a BS argument. They used it when they watched the BE die, then they played their historic games against Wake etc. I just hope that the ACC isn't hoping ND will do the right thing and protect ACC from a raid. ND is a selfish, independent program that cares about no one but themselves and money.

Big 12; SEC; Big 10 should get together and eliminate NDs access to the playoffs. They should be treated no different than UConn or any other independent. Tell ND - join a conference or earn it.

That being said; with Michigan, MSU, now USC and even two instate rivals? A conference that goes from NYC to LA? They have no excuses. Offer ND to join on a partial share and say if they don't agree by the end of the week, they will never get in.

ND needs B1G far more than B1G needs ND

 

[Arizona Knight]

When it becomes time for the ACC to fall apart, the BIG will offer ND, UVa, UNC and Duke. They will accept because both the $ and prestige will be a step up. If for some reason they don’t, there are 20 other ACC/B12 schools who will.

We have more people on this board right now than Duke has at most football games. (Slight exaggeration)

 

[krup]

So they agreed to a price that will increase everyone’s share ? There’s an added-value tipping point and we may have reached it.

I think all would agree that NDs popularity and relevance is on the decline, more so the former.

The only thing that forces ND to move is the ACC breaking up. And if that happens, I take either or both of Clemson/FSU first.

The way I understood it was that they would increase the payout proportionally if ND is added so that ND gets a full share and the other schools aren’t diluted, even if it is in the the middle of the contract. That hasn’t been the case for any previous additions.

I guess the thinking is that on the next contract after that the rest of the schools would actually see an increase from ND being part of the group.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

The way I understood it was that they would increase the payout proportionally if ND is added so that ND gets a full share and the other schools aren’t diluted, even if it is in the the middle of the contract. That hasn’t been the case for any previous additions.

I guess the thinking is that on the next contract after that the rest of the schools would actually see an increase from ND being part of the group.

It would be just like Texas and OU to the SEC. They’re getting a full share right off the bat next year. ESPN isn’t paying more to the SEC though, just making Texas and OU whole.

Long term it’s still a good move for the SEC just like ND would be for the B10.

 

[TDIrish27]

Looking backward that is true, but now USC has a much better coach than ND, and I would now expect USC to win more games going forward, even with ND’s cream puff schedule.

One more good year and he's gone for the NFL IMO.

We play 3 teams who are Pre Season Top 10 .

How many does PSU play ?

How many does Michigan play ?

 

[krup]

One more good year and he's gone for the NFL IMO.

We play 3 teams who are Pre Season Top 10 .

How many does PSU play ?

How many does Michigan play ?

The criticism about ND’s schedule wouldn’t be about the top teams they can get on their schedule, It is that they don’t often face the challenge of the grind a tougher conference schedule can offer (like bookending one of those top ten games with trap games on either side).

 

[RuSnp]

One more good year and he's gone for the NFL IMO.

We play 3 teams who are Pre Season Top 10 .

How many does PSU play ?

How many does Michigan play ?

Michigan ooc scheduling philosophy is continually embarrassing. PSU's is def better - they did go to Auburn last year.

 

[MADHAT1]

This article shows why Notre Dame will remain independent in Football

I feel even if the ACC breaks apart ND has the Big East to fall back on if it needs a home for it’s other sports.

So no one should get their hopes up about the imitation Irish going B1G soon

Notre Dame football is conference realignment’s biggest prize. Can NBC keep it independent? - The Athletic
>William Mao won’t put an exact number on it, but the senior vice president of Octagon Global Media Rights Consulting knows how these contracts work. His company has done deals with the NFL, MLB, NASCAR, WWE and 18 international soccer leagues. And from a distance, there are paths both Notre Dame and NBC can take to negotiate a deal that ends with a win-win.

When asked if a $60 million deal would make mutual economic sense, Mao didn’t disagree.

A second sports media consultant, who would speak only on background due to the sensitivity of negotiations, believed a $60 million agreement for Notre Dame’s next NBC deal would be in the ballpark of current market value.<



https://theathletic.com/4673824/2023/07/12/notre-dame-football-nbc-independent/

 

[krup]

This article shows why Notre Dame will remain independent in Football

I feel even if the ACC breaks apart ND has the Big East to fall back on if it needs a home for it’s other sports.

So no one should get their hopes up about the imitation Irish going B1G soon

Notre Dame football is conference realignment’s biggest prize. Can NBC keep it independent? - The Athletic
>William Mao won’t put an exact number on it, but the senior vice president of Octagon Global Media Rights Consulting knows how these contracts work. His company has done deals with the NFL, MLB, NASCAR, WWE and 18 international soccer leagues. And from a distance, there are paths both Notre Dame and NBC can take to negotiate a deal that ends with a win-win.

When asked if a $60 million deal would make mutual economic sense, Mao didn’t disagree.

A second sports media consultant, who would speak only on background due to the sensitivity of negotiations, believed a $60 million agreement for Notre Dame’s next NBC deal would be in the ballpark of current market value.<



https://theathletic.com/4673824/2023/07/12/notre-dame-football-nbc-independent/

“Home for its other sports” is only one of the three things they need and theywouldn’t get the other two from the Big East.

They need to be able schedule enough decent games in October and November, and they need access to decent bowl games when they are good but not good enough to make a NY6 bowl,

 

[MADHAT1]

“Home for its other sports” is only one of the three things they get from the ACC and wouldn’t get from the Big East.

They need to be able schedule enough decent games in October and November, and they need access to decent bowl games when they are good but not good enough to make a NY6 bowl,

ND football is what most want on their schedule , they bring in the fans for home games, national interest because how ND is a name brand known to all college football fans and they'll be looking at ND's opponants a little closer if they don't root for them or have them in same conference as the program they root for. .
More than likely helps get booster to give a little more with ND on schedule.
Notre Dame is a well known brand with a national fan-base that exceeds most programs
When ND doesn't qualify for major bowls, the fans they bring in ,make minor bowls want to have them

 

[Knightmoves]

The data on eyeballs supports the idea that people watch ND. Many of them are hoping they lose, but they still watch.

I will admit that I change the tv channel to the ND game if they are losing in the 2nd half.

 

[krup]

ND football is what most want on their schedule , they bring in the fans for home games, national interest because how ND is a name brand known to all college football fans and they'll be looking at ND's opponants a little closer if they don't root for them or have them in same conference as the program they root for. .
More than likely helps get booster to give a little more with ND on schedule.
Notre Dame is a well known brand with a national fan-base that exceeds most programs
When ND doesn't qualify for major bowls, the fans they bring in ,make minor bowls want to have them

They have a hard time making an Oct/Nov schedule as a full independent.

In one of their last seasons before the ACC hybrid arrangement, two second half home games were Western Michigan and Tulsa.