NDE

[Beatle Bum]

A friend died on the table. She says she left her body and was floating over her dead self when she saw a deceased friend in the doorway who told her “not now!”

Another woman says she floated through the floors of the building until she was hovering over the hospital. When she was revived, she described an athletic shoe on the roof by its location, color, and position. The staff went to the roof and found the shoe.

Another said she was hovering over her body as staff tried to revive her. She heard the crass joke of a doctor and when she came to, she described a sticker that was on the top side of a blade of the ceiling fan in the room.

 

[chroix]

The brain is the most efficient and powerful computer conceivable. They’re doing some really interesting research into what brain activity on people that are in comas and similar states. There’s a lot more happening than they had previously thought.

Also just taking a guess here, but you should probably help some of these women get off whatever is making them die temporarily.

 

[Beatle Bum]

About 15-20%, I believe, of the NDEs are horrific.

 

[Spica Orbit]

A friend died on the table. She says she left her body and was floating over her dead self when she saw a deceased friend in the doorway who told her “not now!”

Another woman says she floated through the floors of the building until she was hovering over the hospital. When she was revived, she described an athletic shoe on the roof by its location, color, and position. The staff went to the roof and found the shoe.

Another said she was hovering over her body as staff tried to revive her. She heard the crass joke of a doctor and when she came to, she described a sticker that was on the top side of a blade of the ceiling fan in the room.

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Anybody can make up a story.

 

[Ukbrassowtipin]

Who leaves a single shoe on the roof of a hospital

 

[TortElvisII]

Who leaves a single shoe on the roof of a hospital

A one legged roofer?

 

[Beatle Bum]

A person blind from birth dies in a car accident and is resuscitated at the scene. They say they floated above the car as paramedics did their work and saw the whole thing, being the first time they ever saw anything. They described the scene, including the landscape around the accident. When they were revived, they were still blind.

 

[MGGA]

A one legged roofer dies after losing his balance when his shoe falls off. He says he remembers kicking a field goal to win the state championship. He describes the game, the kick, and the cheering of the crowd. We he was resuscitated, he still had Type II Diabetes.

 

[UnfrozenCatfanLawyer]

A preacher, a priest and a rabbi walk into a bar. The bartender says, “What is this - some kind of joke?”

 

[CaptainBoogerBuns]

Two guys walk into a bar. The third guy ducks.

 

[chroix]

A person blind from birth dies in a car accident and is resuscitated at the scene. They say they floated above the car as paramedics did their work and saw the whole thing, being the first time they ever saw anything. They described the scene, including the landscape around the accident. When they were revived, they were still blind.

If you were blind from birth how could you even describe things? You’d have zero point of reference.

 

[Beatle Bum]

If you were blind from birth how could you even describe things? You’d have zero point of reference.

When people gain sight or hearing for the first time, why would they not be able to describe what they sense? An adult has sensed these things all their lives with their healthy senses. So, to say they have zero point of reference is just not factual. Describing what they saw would be contextual to what they already know.

 

[chroix]

When people gain sight or hearing for the first time, why would they not be able to describe what they sense? An adult has sensed these things all their lives with their healthy senses. So, to say they have zero point of reference is just not factual. Describing what they saw would be contextual to what they already know.

Your story is: They started off blind. Have never seen anything. They died and came back blind still but while they were dead they could see. They have no point of reference to describe anything. Not even color. You’re made up stories feel pretty made up. Also have to think had any of this happened it might have been documented.

 

[TortElvisII]

A person blind from birth dies in a car accident and is resuscitated at the scene. They say they floated above the car as paramedics did their work and saw the whole thing, being the first time they ever saw anything. They described the scene, including the landscape around the accident. When they were revived, they were still blind.

I have no problem with this.

Why others do is their problem.

 

[Beatle Bum]

Your story is: They started off blind. Have never seen anything. They died and came back blind still but while they were dead they could see. They have no point of reference to describe anything. Not even color. You’re made up stories feel pretty made up. Also have to think had any of this happened it might have been documented.

There is documentation of NDE. And, you said they have no point of reference. They do. They have felt cars, heard cars, smelled cars. They have a context of their environment. How do YOU know that what you see is the same thing I see? You don’t have to believe their story, but your criticism is just wrong. If they described what was happening, then they likely saw. The fact is they had no real way to describe things BEFORE. So, if they did describe, it reinforces that they DID see.

 

[chroix]

There is documentation of NDE. And, you said they have no point of reference. They do. They have felt cars, heard cars, smelled cars. They have a context of their environment. How do YOU know that what you see is the same thing I see? You don’t have to believe their story, but your criticism is just wrong. If they described what was happening, then they likely saw. The fact is they had no real way to describe things BEFORE. So, if they did describe, it reinforces that they DID see.

They would have no context with which to describe what they “saw”. They could state that things they had felt, smelled or touched before were there but they would have no ability to describe what they had seen as they would have no point of reference to even describe what they had seen.

 

[Ron Mehico]

I think what chroix is saying, and I agree, is that it would be helpful to actually see or read this blind persons description. For example if he said “I saw beautiful yellow tulips and a dog playing in a green meadow by a creek” then obviously that’s fake because a blind person would literally not know what any of those things were (unless the dog was barking I guess). I mean what was his description?

 

[Beatle Bum]

They would have no context with which to describe what they “saw”. They could state that things they had felt, smelled or touched before were there but they would have no ability to describe what they had seen as they would have no point of reference to even describe what they had seen.

This is patently wrong. When a person hears for the first time, while they have never heard before, they CAN communicate what they are hearing. You don’t have to believe the story, but your mistaken take on this should not be the reason.

 

[Beatle Bum]

I think what chroix is saying, and I agree, is that it would be helpful to actually see or read this blind persons description. For example if he said “I saw beautiful yellow tulips and a dog playing in a green meadow by a creek” then obviously that’s fake because a blind person would literally not know what any of those things were (unless the dog was barking I guess). I mean what was his description?

I did not read their description, but even your take is wrong. If you are blind, you know that sighted people perceive colors, even though you cannot conceive of what that looks like. You will grow up learning that the sky is blue and leaves are often green and blood is red. You know the distinctions without knowing the meaning of those distinctions. Because you are not ignorant to what a tree or a bush or grass is, when you first see them, it would be natural to say, “that must be green.” If you knew that your dad had a blue car and you saw the car, you would not forget that the car was blue, so a simple deduction would tell you that must be blue.

So, because they have a brain and real life context, many of those things would be easily deductible.

That said, I did not read the statement, but heard a person speaking about it (from research on NDE, I believe). The speaker said she described the car wreck from above and the first responders attending to her and the area adjacent to the road. I do not know what words she used, but if she said she saw distinctions in color, her knowledge of how that had been described over the years would give her great context. Non-seeing people can comprehend that there can be four identical cars in build, but each has a different color. What that means would become immediately apparent when they saw color for the first time.

 

[chroix]

This is patently wrong. When a person hears for the first time, while they have never heard before, they CAN communicate what they are hearing. You don’t have to believe the story, but your mistaken take on this should not be the reason.

You seem pretty sure of yourself for someone without a single source to back up their fantastic stories. I stand by my challenge to your claim. You explain your challenge to mine better in the follow up but it still falls short in my mind. Having someone tell you about something and experiencing something like “being able to see temporarily for the first time ever while you are dead” are miles apart and I can’t really fathom how the brain could process and describe what they had seen within any sort of accuracy.

 

[Beatle Bum]

You seem pretty sure of yourself for someone without a single source to back up their fantastic stories. I stand by my challenge to your claim. You explain your challenge to mine better in the follow up but it still falls short in my mind. Having someone tell you about something and experiencing something like “being able to see temporarily for the first time ever while you are dead” are miles apart and I can’t really fathom how the brain could process and describe what they had seen within any sort of accuracy.

Hey, you have your reasons for doubting. I don’t think your criticism is valid. But, then, I am just repeating what was said. NDE is a real thing. What is going on is the more difficult question.

 

[Beatle Bum]

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Anybody can make up a story.

I would not want to have to die to make up a story about what I experienced after being physically dead, but the Captain Obvious comment is without debate. Anyone who has a working IQ can make up a story. And, people could copy the stories others tell. That would be required, because there are a few common themes.