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BlueVelvetFog

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Learn to code. Seriously. Like Java or C++. Or learn database skills and SQL. Or learn web development. Not just HTML and CSS arts and crafts, but programming, including Javascript and a backend language like PHP. Or learn Linux and become a sys admin.

There's lots of areas of specialization. I've done many of them over the years, but you can start with one. I was fortunate enough to get into the field in college. Got BS Math/CS and MS Software Engineering degrees. You can get a job without formal degrees these days.

There are compressed training programs out there, if that kind of thing appeals to you. It's a solid career, but not for everybody. It's hard work and demands long hours to learn the skills needed to advance. But it is creative and rewarding.

Also, vote for Trump so we can have more opportunities in our country instead of a democrat who wants to sell us out to globalism and socialism.
SQL is great. .net or C sharp is great
 

8titles_rivals270261

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Something very easy to get into that actually pays extremely well for those with experience is project and program management. What used to be a stepping stone role can now be a career path when you talk about program or portfolio managers within international organizations. If you bake in some IT experience or heavy supply chain experience you can easily get into 6 figures. Initial certifications are relatively cheap and with experience you can literally find a job at just about anytime and anywhere. It can also lead to management of a EPMO or IT PMO or other management roles, consulting (crazy money if you like to travel) and other careers where you learn and gain business process experience while you drive projects. Definitely not for everyone but it is a universal skill set that applies to just about any industry really well.
 
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joeyrupption

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I’ve looked into a trade like that before, not really interested in the grind of construction around here though since most of the construction firms do a lot of construction out of market so a lot of living out of town for an extended period of time isn’t my kind of deal. Would rather have like woodworking job making stuff like cabinets and what not. Plus seemingly every time I see one says experience requires. Kind of hard to get that experience if no one wants to give you a chance to get any.
What’s keeping you where you are? If good jobs aren’t there, you might want to move.

You can get into all kinds of trades through a union apprenticeship program, and a lot of the open shops have their own paid training as well. Don’t just rely on the lens of want ads.

Most hard (good) work requires a “grind” at the start, IMO:

“Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work.”
 

BlueVelvetFog

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OP should be a carny. I think it will meet all of his stated criteria.

As a carny, his family will have access to an abundance of delicious fried carnival food. Corn dogs, funnel cakes, turkey legs, cotton candy. Enough to keep them all fat and happy.

A carnival is a happy place. People go there to have fun, so being a carny has to be fun. You get to control the ride and watch people as they scream with delight. Very fulfilling.

Pandemic proof. I'm pretty sure that the nation's top pandemic doctor, Dr. Fauci has said that outside is best! Carnivals are outdoors and people are starved for good ol' family entertainment.

This is a transition that should be quick and easy, especially with a sales background.
Carnies fling anthrax at children. /science
 

anthonys735

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We hire unlicensed apprentices all the time. Show up to your interview early, be attentive, don't bash your former employer, and work hard. I'd take a hardworking guy with no experience over a slug w/experience any day.


In other advice google is training people to enter the IT fields Hopefully this type of training becomes more common.

https://www.coursera.org/profession...MIu-3U176T6wIVB7zACh02AAKGEAAYASAAEgJhVfD_BwE
 

BlueVelvetFog

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What’s keeping you where you are? If good jobs aren’t there, you might want to move.

You can get into all kinds of trades through a union apprenticeship program, and a lot of the open shops have their own paid training as well. Don’t just rely on the lens of want ads.

Most hard (good) work requires a “grind” at the start, IMO:

“Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work.”
The world could always use welders
 
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IdaCat

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SQL is great. .net or C sharp is great
SQL is not that difficult. It's not a programming language, but every programmer should know it, at least a little for making DB calls within your programs. You can get a job just writing SQL. It helps to also know PL/SQL or the equivalent procedural language for the DB you're using. I specialize in Oracle, but have used other DBs over the years.
 

kritikalcat

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I’m an RN, my wife works in IT. It’s not a good combination if you’re the kind of guy who is intimidated by your wife making > 3X what you make.
 
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Something very easy to get into that actually pays extremely well for those with experience is project and program management. What used to be a stepping stone role can now be a career path when you talk about program or portfolio managers within international organizations. If you bake in some IT experience or heavy supply chain experience you can easily get into 6 figures. Initial certifications are relatively cheap and with experience you can literally find a job at just about anytime and anywhere. It can also lead to management of a EPMO or IT PMO or other management roles, consulting (crazy money if you like to travel) and other careers where you learn and gain business process experience while you drive projects. Definitely not for everyone but it is a universal skill set that applies to just about any industry really well.
I just interviewed for a project management job at a small business with goals of growing. No certification or anything needed. Don’t know if I’ll get it but it seemed promising and they were pretty adamant that some things that would be a deal breaker for me wouldn’t happen there, which was mainly having to regularly work 60 hours a week. In fact, they were adamant that they don’t want the person working that kind of hours so they can have more time to spend with their family and so they don’t get burnt out.
 
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What’s keeping you where you are? If good jobs aren’t there, you might want to move.

You can get into all kinds of trades through a union apprenticeship program, and a lot of the open shops have their own paid training as well. Don’t just rely on the lens of want ads.

Most hard (good) work requires a “grind” at the start, IMO:

“Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work.”
My parents. They are both in their 70s and need help and everyone in the family agreed that we want to do as much as possible to avoid having to send them to a nursing home.

And your link doesn’t work
 
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Get Buckets

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I just interviewed for a project management job at a small business with goals of growing. No certification or anything needed. Don’t know if I’ll get it but it seemed promising and they were pretty adamant that some things that would be a deal breaker for me wouldn’t happen there, which was mainly having to regularly work 60 hours a week. In fact, they were adamant that they don’t want the person working that kind of hours so they can have more time to spend with their family and so they don’t get burnt out.

What are your other deal breakers besides a greater than 40 hour work week?
 
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What are your other deal breakers besides a greater than 40 hour work week?
I don't mind working over 40 hours a week, I do mind it when it's an every week thing having to work 50+ hours. If you want to do nothing but work that's fine with me but I have no interest in that type of life anymore. Work has caused me to miss the last living moments of family members, missed funerals, missed weddings, missed important moments and milestone for family and friends, and etc. all because I couldn't miss work that day. Not going to tolerate that any more because I have to put in work hour 50 for the week for the 18th week in a row.

But if we're talking about a job/company that I want to stay with for the long haul, which is what I want...

No growth opportunities, I don't want to join a company at a mediocre salary and job or worse (which, unfortunately, is about the best you can get around here in the current job climate without some kind of medical degree/certification or engineering degree) and be stuck in that job into perpetuity unless I leave for another company.

Benefits. As long as our economy continues to largely place little value on employee personal welfare, I can accept little to no benefits (aside from sick and vacation pay) if the job pays well because then I can just afford the stuff on my own. However, if they offer a mediocre salary and little to no benefits on top of that, I don't want anything to do with them because they don't value their employees. Unless you're a small business then it's understandable and I can generally overlook that, but I'm still probably going to be looking for the next way out.

Trust your employees to do their job. Allow me to do my job without having to constantly get approval from my direct supervisor to be able to do nearly anything. If you never trust your employees to do the job no matter how good of a job they do, then just do the damn job yourself. And if you can't trust them, why the hell did you hire them in the first place?

High turnover. If you have high turnover and it's not because you rely on low wage/skill work (like restaurants), then chances are the employer is the problem and not the employees, and I don't want to learn from personal experience what's causing it.

Regular travel. I have zero interest in living out of a suitcase even if I didn't have the whole parents situation going on. Travel drains my energy because I don't sleep well in hotels. I'm 36 and I can count on one hand the number of nights where I've slept well in a hotel from personal or work travel, and that means I end up having to go to bed early because I don't have the energy to stay up long. If I'm having to put in work during the day then going to bed early at night, I have no personal time, so I'm basically doing nothing but living to work.

Now if we're talking types/industries of work, rather it's because I hated working in it or because I'd know I'd be awful and/or miserable in it - restaurant, manual labor, call center, manual labor, and sales. Carpentry would be an exception to the manual labor thing, I just kinda like making things out of wood.

Add temp agencies to the list as well. I want stable employment, not constantly having to winder what my next job is going to be when the current temp job ends.

I could do retail in the interim, but I have less than zero interest in making it a career because doing that means either going into management where a bunch of OT is likely required every week or staying in low wage positions with little to no benefits.

Did you grow up in Lynchburg?
Yes.
 
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I don't mind working over 40 hours a week, I do mind it when it's an every week thing having to work 50+ hours. If you want to do nothing but work that's fine with me but I have no interest in that type of life anymore. Work has caused me to miss the last living moments of family members, missed funerals, missed weddings, missed important moments and milestone for family and friends, and etc. all because I couldn't miss work that day. Not going to tolerate that any more because I have to put in work hour 50 for the week for the 18th week in a row.

But if we're talking about a job/company that I want to stay with for the long haul, which is what I want...

No growth opportunities, I don't want to join a company at a mediocre salary and job or worse (which, unfortunately, is about the best you can get around here in the current job climate without some kind of medical degree/certification or engineering degree) and be stuck in that job into perpetuity unless I leave for another company.

Benefits. As long as our economy continues to largely place little value on employee personal welfare, I can accept little to no benefits (aside from sick and vacation pay) if the job pays well because then I can just afford the stuff on my own. However, if they offer a mediocre salary and little to no benefits on top of that, I don't want anything to do with them because they don't value their employees. Unless you're a small business then it's understandable and I can generally overlook that, but I'm still probably going to be looking for the next way out.

Trust your employees to do their job. Allow me to do my job without having to constantly get approval from my direct supervisor to be able to do nearly anything. If you never trust your employees to do the job no matter how good of a job they do, then just do the damn job yourself. And if you can't trust them, why the hell did you hire them in the first place?

High turnover. If you have high turnover and it's not because you rely on low wage/skill work (like restaurants), then chances are the employer is the problem and not the employees, and I don't want to learn from personal experience what's causing it.

Regular travel. I have zero interest in living out of a suitcase even if I didn't have the whole parents situation going on. Travel drains my energy because I don't sleep well in hotels. I'm 36 and I can count on one hand the number of nights where I've slept well in a hotel from personal or work travel, and that means I end up having to go to bed early because I don't have the energy to stay up long. If I'm having to put in work during the day then going to bed early at night, I have no personal time, so I'm basically doing nothing but living to work.

Now if we're talking types/industries of work, rather it's because I hated working in it or because I'd know I'd be awful and/or miserable in it - restaurant, manual labor, call center, manual labor, and sales. Carpentry would be an exception to the manual labor thing, I just kinda like making things out of wood.

Add temp agencies to the list as well. I want stable employment, not constantly having to winder what my next job is going to be when the current temp job ends.

I could do retail in the interim, but I have less than zero interest in making it a career because doing that means either going into management where a bunch of OT is likely required every week or staying in low wage positions with little to no benefits.


Yes.

Have you ever considered that maybe you are the problem and not the businesses/system/jobs you constantly cry about?
 
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Have you ever considered that maybe you are the problem and not the businesses/system/jobs you constantly cry about?
No. My points are reasonable for a career. If it’s wrong to want to work for a company that values its employees then you’re the problem.

I would still be in my athletics career if I hadn’t gotten burnt out from working 60+ hours a week for 10 months a year (it was 40 hours the other two months) for 13 years. Well that’s assuming I hadn’t gotten laid off over COVID-19. Many folks in the field I was in unfortunately have been.
 
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Ron Mehico

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I don't mind working over 40 hours a week, I do mind it when it's an every week thing having to work 50+ hours. If you want to do nothing but work that's fine with me but I have no interest in that type of life anymore. Work has caused me to miss the last living moments of family members, missed funerals, missed weddings, missed important moments and milestone for family and friends, and etc. all because I couldn't miss work that day. Not going to tolerate that any more because I have to put in work hour 50 for the week for the 18th week in a row.

But if we're talking about a job/company that I want to stay with for the long haul, which is what I want...

No growth opportunities, I don't want to join a company at a mediocre salary and job or worse (which, unfortunately, is about the best you can get around here in the current job climate without some kind of medical degree/certification or engineering degree) and be stuck in that job into perpetuity unless I leave for another company.

Benefits. As long as our economy continues to largely place little value on employee personal welfare, I can accept little to no benefits (aside from sick and vacation pay) if the job pays well because then I can just afford the stuff on my own. However, if they offer a mediocre salary and little to no benefits on top of that, I don't want anything to do with them because they don't value their employees. Unless you're a small business then it's understandable and I can generally overlook that, but I'm still probably going to be looking for the next way out.

Trust your employees to do their job. Allow me to do my job without having to constantly get approval from my direct supervisor to be able to do nearly anything. If you never trust your employees to do the job no matter how good of a job they do, then just do the damn job yourself. And if you can't trust them, why the hell did you hire them in the first place?

High turnover. If you have high turnover and it's not because you rely on low wage/skill work (like restaurants), then chances are the employer is the problem and not the employees, and I don't want to learn from personal experience what's causing it.

Regular travel. I have zero interest in living out of a suitcase even if I didn't have the whole parents situation going on. Travel drains my energy because I don't sleep well in hotels. I'm 36 and I can count on one hand the number of nights where I've slept well in a hotel from personal or work travel, and that means I end up having to go to bed early because I don't have the energy to stay up long. If I'm having to put in work during the day then going to bed early at night, I have no personal time, so I'm basically doing nothing but living to work.

Now if we're talking types/industries of work, rather it's because I hated working in it or because I'd know I'd be awful and/or miserable in it - restaurant, manual labor, call center, manual labor, and sales. Carpentry would be an exception to the manual labor thing, I just kinda like making things out of wood.

Add temp agencies to the list as well. I want stable employment, not constantly having to winder what my next job is going to be when the current temp job ends.

I could do retail in the interim, but I have less than zero interest in making it a career because doing that means either going into management where a bunch of OT is likely required every week or staying in low wage positions with little to no benefits.


Yes.


JFC you didn’t even mention casual Friday’s
 

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I heard pimping is in high demand and it is easy;)
 

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Dude, i was in the same situation, just like you. I didn't know what to do. And when i was thinking that i have to feed my wife and 2 children i was getting nervous. I tried a couple of different jobs, that i could do from home, however it didn't really work out. So, i decided for myself, at the beggining of may i guess it was, that i should resurrect my programming skills. So i was really enthusiastic about it to be honest. I took a ccnp course at SPOTOclub.com. And since then, i am working from home, with a proper salary and i have a hell a lot of benefits.
 
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OP should be a carny. I think it will meet all of his stated criteria.

As a carny, his family will have access to an abundance of delicious fried carnival food. Corn dogs, funnel cakes, turkey legs, cotton candy. Enough to keep them all fat and happy.

A carnival is a happy place. People go there to have fun, so being a carny has to be fun. You get to control the ride and watch people as they scream with delight. Very fulfilling.

Pandemic proof. I'm pretty sure that the nation's top pandemic doctor, Dr. Fauci has said that outside is best! Carnivals are outdoors and people are starved for good ol' family entertainment.

This is a transition that should be quick and easy, especially with a sales background.
The Carnival is good idea. When I was a little boy living in South Shore, Kentucky our next door neighbor sold snow cones and corn dogs for 9 months of the year, off 3 months and made enough to send his two kids to Harvard. Great guy.
 

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I got my CCNA feb 2020 right before covid hit. I've been in sales for 5 years but getting tired of all the upkeep for no advancement, no benefits, no time off . Sick of always answering my phone and doing customer service for Free working 100% commission.

I am looking for a network operations job that will start you 45-60 depending on where you go. I do beware that it isn't easy and I've spent many hours honing in this trade.

Still haven't found a job mainly because of the economy but I keep studying so that the real losers will be the ones that pass me.

My brother started this around 6 years ago. He is now a security andminstrator at duke energy making 110k with out of this world benefits and bonuses. He could leave elsewhere and make more but he is comfortable with his 6.8% raise every year. Stock options, retirement matching, 11% bonuses every March and unbelievable job security

Sad part is I would be there if they were hiring externally. At the end of the day it's really about how much you really want a change and what you are willing to sacrifice to get it. I was willing to dedicate 6 months of intense studying and $500+ for material and testing. Once I get my foot in the door I will never look back.
 
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