New coach or not?

Need a new coach?

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    Votes: 319 76.1%
  • No

    Votes: 100 23.9%

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Franisdaman

Heisman
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What do you guys think Beth Goetz does? Has she already made a decision? Or is she gonna wait until after nationals to make the decision?

If you haven't watched this under 3 minute video, it's worth your time (from the Des Moines NBC affiliate).

 

Trapper85

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Jun 22, 2020
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This is how my model seeds it preseason vs today.

1/20/2026Pre-Season
TeamCategoryCountProbabilityProbabilityChange
IowaAA's0
0.03%​
0.00%​
0.03%​
IowaAA's1
0.61%​
0.06%​
0.55%​
IowaAA's2
4.77%​
0.83%​
3.94%​
IowaAA's3
17.16%​
5.72%​
11.45%​
IowaAA's4
29.88%​
19.99%​
9.89%​
IowaAA's5
27.76%​
34.16%​
-6.40%​
IowaAA's6
14.62%​
27.03%​
-12.41%​
IowaAA's7
4.40%​
10.29%​
-5.89%​
IowaAA's8
0.72%​
1.80%​
-1.09%​
IowaAA's9
0.05%​
0.12%​
-0.06%​
IowaAA's10
0.00%​
0.00%​
0.00%​
Expected AA's
4.4​
5.2​
-0.7​
Must be a sucky frequentist model. Any decent bayesian model would have had at least one 83% in that table somewhere. Try again, we'll let you know when we approve of the results.
 

98lberEating2Lunches

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What do you guys think Beth Goetz does? Has she already made a decision? Or is she gonna wait until after nationals to make the decision?

If you haven't watched this under 3 minute video, it's worth your time (from the Des Moines NBC affiliate).


And Iowa alum, who seems to lurk here, based on his talking points.

Is Beth savvy enough to direct one of her minions to highlight this board's discussions to John Sears, after they briefed her about it?

That'd be a politically clever way to publicly float a trial balloon.

Will any media rep follow up John Sears commentary with Tom at an Iowa presser?
 

ChicagoHawk2020

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What do you guys think Beth Goetz does? Has she already made a decision? Or is she gonna wait until after nationals to make the decision?

If you haven't watched this under 3 minute video, it's worth your time (from the Des Moines NBC affiliate).


Beth is hopefully smart enough to know the postseason is what matters in wrestling, and making coaching decisions based on this season right now would be dumb.
 
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maxpain

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What do you guys think Beth Goetz does? Has she already made a decision? Or is she gonna wait until after nationals to make the decision?

If you haven't watched this under 3 minute video, it's worth your time (from the Des Moines NBC affiliate).



My guess is she is just watching closely but will let it play out to see how the rest of the season goes. If the season continues on this trajectory I think she pulls the trigger.

And Iowa alum, who seems to lurk here, based on his talking points.

Is Beth savvy enough to direct one of her minions to highlight this board's discussions to John Sears, after they briefed her about it?

That'd be a politically clever way to publicly float a trial balloon.

Will any media rep follow up John Sears commentary with Tom at an Iowa presser?

Honestly I highly doubt it’s anything coming from Beth. Maybe that guy is on the boards but more likely he just has eyes and watches what we all watch.

And lol at any media reps asking Tom about it. They are scared shitless of him. Even if they weren’t, what’s the point? He has said they need to score more points and win. I just don’t think he can get them to execute on doing those things for whatever reason.
 

chipackhawk

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I think the answer is yes. And after hip surgery in the off season I would say my expectations wound b tempered this season.
Revised expectations are simply original expectations that were not met - for whatever reason. Maybe they were too high to begin with? I'm not disputing that injuries may have played a significant part in it all.
 

chipackhawk

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TnT were legendary competitors on the mat. They have been great mentors to their guys while on the team and they certainly provided a spark after Z was let go but their shortcomings are their shortcomings and those have not and are not changing and actually becoming bigger because of their age increasing. Recruiting: They have always been underwhelming in recruiting given the strength of situation they have had to recruit from. They are not especially good at evaluating talent, at pursuing talent and at landing talent. They are average at best, they recruit from convenience. Personality: it's no secret they are not the most personable or charismatic guys around and that is a bad look at times. Ability to transfer their philosophy to their wrestlers on the mat: we have heard endless sound bites preaching how they want their guys to wrestle but how many ever truly wrestled that attacking, scoring style. Not many. Iowa wrestling has become absolutely boring to watch. Technique: this goes with the previous point. I assume they know technique but through the years their teams have shown a very limited scope of technical wrestling and most variation being techniques wrestlers brought with them. Inability to get along with people: this is the case from rivals to former wrestlers to current wrestlers at times. If there is a bridge around they are burning it. This does not help the program at all. Lack of ability to be flexible, to change, to innovate: they surround themselves with yes men that do the same things they do. They have refused to make adjustments when they were needed, when they could have made a difference and now at their ages it's too late.

I doubt that. If you told me Leo Deluca I might believe you.
Please explain yourself here.
 

chipackhawk

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I graduated from the University of Iowa. I was once a huge Iowa wrestling fan. I became a Cyclone fan when Cael was at ISU and followed him to PSU as a fan. I am a current season ticket holder to both ISU and Iowa. I also follow UNI,Wartburg, and SEP high school wrestling rather closely. I loved watching the Brands compete and Mark Ironside will always be one of my top 5 wrestlers of all time to watch compete. Metcalf is number 2 only behind Cael. Mesenbrink is closing hard on those 2. Some people are just fans of great wrestling. I am a huge fan of both PK and MC as well as the "no brakes Drake" when chooses to be himself.
I don't agree that a dynasty hurts any sport. It gives fans something to cheer against when the team they actually support isn't very good. It also ends up spreading quality coaches around the country. Gable had quite the tree and Cael soon will as well. Iowa just needs to grab a hold of one of those branches before they take root in other places.
Can you share some of the Cael tree of wrestling coaches? Other than David Taylor, who from PSU has risen to become a Head Coach? I honestly do not know.
 

District 4

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Feb 16, 2018
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The culture Gable built was winning and dominating the mat. That culture has died,been buried, and an oak tree is growing. Since when is Iowa making some noise at nationals the standard? This isn't Wyoming or Little Rock.
Im just saying let it ride and see what happens then take care of the problem. What i agreed with is it makes no sense to look for a coach halfway through the season
 
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FF141

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Revised expectations are simply original expectations that were not met - for whatever reason. Maybe they were too high to begin with? I'm not disputing that injuries may have played a significant part in it all.
Stop. Finishing as an AA last year in that field should be meeting the expectation of him coming out of high school considering he was splitting time not focusing 💯on wrestling. After knowing he was getting hip surgery and had limited mat time in the off season s the expectation he’s going to be in the finals or top 4. I ddnt have that expectation. Was your expectation that he’d be higher last year considering the circumstances?
 

el dub

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This is how my model seeds it preseason vs today.

1/20/2026Pre-Season
TeamCategoryCountProbabilityProbabilityChange
IowaAA's0
0.03%​
0.00%​
0.03%​
IowaAA's1
0.61%​
0.06%​
0.55%​
IowaAA's2
4.77%​
0.83%​
3.94%​
IowaAA's3
17.16%​
5.72%​
11.45%​
IowaAA's4
29.88%​
19.99%​
9.89%​
IowaAA's5
27.76%​
34.16%​
-6.40%​
IowaAA's6
14.62%​
27.03%​
-12.41%​
IowaAA's7
4.40%​
10.29%​
-5.89%​
IowaAA's8
0.72%​
1.80%​
-1.09%​
IowaAA's9
0.05%​
0.12%​
-0.06%​
IowaAA's10
0.00%​
0.00%​
0.00%​
Expected AA's
4.4​
5.2​
-0.7​
Interesting….
 

chipackhawk

Senior
Jan 10, 2018
380
882
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Stop. Finishing as an AA last year in that field should be meeting the expectation of him coming out of high school considering he was splitting time not focusing 💯on wrestling. After knowing he was getting hip surgery and had limited mat time in the off season s the expectation he’s going to be in the finals or top 4. I ddnt have that expectation. Was your expectation that he’d be higher last year considering the circumstances?
No - you stop. This is a message Board and if you can't handle dissent and fair discussion then you leave. There is not one person, other than maybe you, who thinks BK finishing in 8th place is meeting the expectations he had when entering college. It was a great success to do it last year but no chance would most agree that it qualifies as a successful career, should that be his ceiling. You keep saying that it's because of his dual sports and injuries and that is exactly why he may not achieve what most thought he would. I'm not for one second disparaging the fact he AA'd last year. I am very simply stating he has not yet achieved what most thought he would. Right now the proof is on the mat for all to see and if he doesn't turn the corner I would venture to say he won't AA this year. Maybe the expectations were too high? I'm giving his injuries as a reason - you are using them as an excuse. Big difference.
 

FF141

Sophomore
Mar 15, 2017
63
130
33
No - you stop. This is a message Board and if you can't handle dissent and fair discussion then you leave. There is not one person, other than maybe you, who thinks BK finishing in 8th place is meeting the expectations he had when entering college. It was a great success to do it last year but no chance would most agree that it qualifies as a successful career, should that be his ceiling. You keep saying that it's because of his dual sports and injuries and that is exactly why he may not achieve what most thought he would. I'm not for one second disparaging the fact he AA'd last year. I am very simply stating he has not yet achieved what most thought he would. Right now the proof is on the mat for all to see and if he doesn't turn the corner I would venture to say he won't AA this year. Maybe the expectations were too high? I'm giving his injuries as a reason - you are using them as an excuse. Big difference.
I’m fine with dissent. My opinion is if u think he’s doing better last year splitting time it’s just unrealistic. This year…my issue is with him getting bagged on knowing the circumstances. Here I thought I was just using his injuries as a “reason” but now I know thanks for clearing that up.
 

AndreTheHawk

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Jul 2, 2025
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Beth is hopefully smart enough to know the postseason is what matters in wrestling, and making coaching decisions based on this season right now would be dumb.
She's not getting rid of anybody mid season. If Iowa comes home from an uninspiring NCAA'S, coupled with just the apparent lack of fan attendees at the PSU dual, Brands will be gone IMO. His seat is hotter than Christie Brinkley in Christmas Vacation.
 

heldyhawk606

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While I agree with you to an extent, losing to ISU matters. Getting embarrassed at home matters. Attendance starting to falter matters.
For a board that talks about money so much, it funny how little people realize that last line matters a lot. A full Carver is important, they need to try and lose as little money as possible so selling out, putting butts in seats, people engaged and buying beverages, carver cones, etc. If tomorrow night doesn't go well, and that causes the attendance to drop further for Minnesota, and that snowballs into tOSU into Michigan here, decisions will have to be made before the postseason hits - it wouldn't be an in-season change, but it would probably be like Fran, or Brian, where its known they aren't coming back next season.
Iowa wrestling is a core piece of the Iowa athletics brand, and Beth will treat it as such, We are lucky to have her.
 

AndreTheHawk

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For a board that talks about money so much, it funny how little people realize that last line matters a lot. A full Carver is important, they need to try and lose as little money as possible so selling out, putting butts in seats, people engaged and buying beverages, carver cones, etc. If tomorrow night doesn't go well, and that causes the attendance to drop further for Minnesota, and that snowballs into tOSU into Michigan here, decisions will have to be made before the postseason hits - it wouldn't be an in-season change, but it would probably be like Fran, or Brian, where its known they aren't coming back next season.
Iowa wrestling is a core piece of the Iowa athletics brand, and Beth will treat it as such, We are lucky to have her.
I don't know if we're lucky to have her, but agreed on everything else. So far so good with her though.

Fran for Ben McCollum = ✓
Tim Lester for Brian Ferentz = ✓
Kirk Ferentz for Cooper DeJean in 2036 = ✓ 😂
 

98lberEating2Lunches

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Did anyone suggest / consider Frank Molinaro?

Brutal top game
NCAA Champ
Olympian
Cael tree
NJ connections
Diverse assistant coaching experiences at Rutgers, Penn State, VA Tech, and Arizons State
Could maybe bring along the Larkins as a mini double recruiting class
 

Stick Kitty

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For a board that talks about money so much, it funny how little people realize that last line matters a lot. A full Carver is important, they need to try and lose as little money as possible so selling out, putting butts in seats, people engaged and buying beverages, carver cones, etc. If tomorrow night doesn't go well, and that causes the attendance to drop further for Minnesota, and that snowballs into tOSU into Michigan here, decisions will have to be made before the postseason hits - it wouldn't be an in-season change, but it would probably be like Fran, or Brian, where its known they aren't coming back next season.
Iowa wrestling is a core piece of the Iowa athletics brand, and Beth will treat it as such, We are lucky to have her.

I have full confidence in her abilities. How she handled Brian Ferentz and the 2 basketball coaching changes was great. Like you said butts in the seats matter because Fran had a resume that MSU would argue to his grave and he also had a good recruiting class coming in but the program was flat and dormant. I stopped watching the last 2 seasons. I don't need to watch zero defense and lack of rebounding the same way I am tiring of no takedowns and stall call anytime Iowa wrestles someone who can look them in the eye competition wise. Jury is still out on McCullom because what will it look like after he losses his lifeline in Stirtz- but think he will be fine. In football- this season despite the close frustration loses- at least the offense has a heartbeat again. The forward pass is becoming obtainable again.

Really the only folks at this point that have an issue with Beth is just because she is a woman in that position.
 

Stick Kitty

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Did anyone suggest / consider Frank Molinaro?

Brutal top game
NCAA Champ
Olympian
Cael tree
NJ connections
Diverse assistant coaching experiences at Rutgers, Penn State, VA Tech, and Arizons State
Could maybe bring along the Larkins as a mini double recruiting class

Interesting. I wasnt his biggest fan but you make a point. Likewise as for an assistant- Always liked Cenzo
 
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Nashville_Hawk

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"Worst loss for the Hawkeyes in 60 years. The gap? This isn't a gap. Its the Grand Canyon."



Thanks for posting...glad it's getting out there...and I think this gent presented the situation very well. We need change and we need it before we become Nebraska football, which by the way I loved back in the day under Dr. Tom.
 
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Nashville_Hawk

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I graduated from the University of Iowa. I was once a huge Iowa wrestling fan. I became a Cyclone fan when Cael was at ISU and followed him to PSU as a fan. I am a current season ticket holder to both ISU and Iowa. I also follow UNI,Wartburg, and SEP high school wrestling rather closely. I loved watching the Brands compete and Mark Ironside will always be one of my top 5 wrestlers of all time to watch compete. Metcalf is number 2 only behind Cael. Mesenbrink is closing hard on those 2. Some people are just fans of great wrestling. I am a huge fan of both PK and MC as well as the "no brakes Drake" when chooses to be himself.
I don't agree that a dynasty hurts any sport. It gives fans something to cheer against when the team they actually support isn't very good. It also ends up spreading quality coaches around the country. Gable had quite the tree and Cael soon will as well. Iowa just needs to grab a hold of one of those branches before they take root in other places.
That is in fact how DT ended up as the next great coach, unless we get our heads out of our asses and beat him to the punch. DT is the first branch and we need to pick the next best branch from all of the trees.
 
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Nashville_Hawk

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While I agree with you to an extent, losing to ISU matters. Getting embarrassed at home matters. Attendance starting to falter matters.
Absolutely concur. The reason the Titanic sank was because it hit the iceberg. Why wait to hit the iceberg when we're seeing it in the scope and we're heading right for it. Do we really think the style, excitement and eventual outcomes will change between now and March? Just sayin...
 
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Nashville_Hawk

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Can you share some of the Cael tree of wrestling coaches? Other than David Taylor, who from PSU has risen to become a Head Coach? I honestly do not know.
He said Cael soon will have, which I think is a true statement. Look at some of the names being thrown around already...and DT was the first branch.
 
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Hawkapottomos Rex

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What would it take for Beth to fire Tom?

Right now, there is some apathy and too many empty seats at Carver.

If we do poorly at the B1G and NCAA Championships, will that be the end of the Brands' era?
The timing of the ticket price increase couldn't have been worse.
 
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AndreTheHawk

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Did anyone suggest / consider Frank Molinaro?

Brutal top game
NCAA Champ
Olympian
Cael tree
NJ connections
Diverse assistant coaching experiences at Rutgers, Penn State, VA Tech, and Arizons State
Could maybe bring along the Larkins as a mini double recruiting class
Maybe in a 4th assistant role. Besides many might confuse him with Italian golfer Francesco Molinari, and we can't have that.
 

Random4598375

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Can you share some of the Cael tree of wrestling coaches? Other than David Taylor, who from PSU has risen to become a Head Coach? I honestly do not know.
Nobody has yet. DT is the first generation of the Cael PSU greats, and he's the first to land a head job, too. Nick Lee, Mark Hall, Zain, and Cenzo are getting into coaching as assistants, and I'm sure they will be head coaches sooner rather than later. Nolf is running his wrestling academy, which obviously was the stepping stone DT used to get into coaching, so he'll probably want to make the leap eventually, too, when the right job opens. I think running the academy actually better prepared DT for move directly to big time D1 coaching than just coaching somewhere by getting him experience running a business as well as a wrestling entity, which is a big part of coaching somewhere like Ok St (or Iowa or PSU). That will probably put Nolf ahead of the other guys in line for a premier job IMO.
 

JoeBagobagels

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Can you share some of the Cael tree of wrestling coaches? Other than David Taylor, who from PSU has risen to become a Head Coach? I honestly do not know.
Does it matter? When Gable was 2/3 of the way through his run what was his coaching tree like? we're going to have to wait a few more seasons to see how that goes.
 

Waukhawk

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It's been a banner year for the TNT led Iowa Hawkeye wrestling team.

1.). Lost the Basset's and Miller
2.). Lost to Iowa State in a Dual for the first time in two decades.
3.). The Endene situation
4.). Takes the worst beating at home in 60 years.
5.). Ayala and others have regressed.

And the season still has 2 more months left.

My prediction for the remainder of the season and off season...

1.). Lose 3-4 more duals.
2.). Break our 35 year run of having a finalist.
3.). 6th-9th place at NCAA's
4.). 5 AA's or less
5.). Lose Angelo to the portal
6.). Lose most of the 27 and 28 recruits.

If even half of that happens it's past time to hire a new coaching staff.
 
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Mattski

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Stop. Finishing as an AA last year in that field should be meeting the expectation of him coming out of high school considering he was splitting time not focusing 💯on wrestling. After knowing he was getting hip surgery and had limited mat time in the off season s the expectation he’s going to be in the finals or top 4. I ddnt have that expectation. Was your expectation that he’d be higher last year considering the circumstances?
Speaking for myself and a lot of fans I converse with yes, the expectation was he'd be higher than last year even considering the hip surgery. He had surgery in April of last year... it's been 9+ months now recovery for a high level athlete. They worked him back into the lineup slowly. Guys have that surgery and are commonly back to 100% in 6 months.
We were told all last year to just wait until the weight class cleared out of all the 6th year covid seniors... well here we are and we're not seeing any improvement, actually regression if anything. He got pushed around the mat and gassed out by a 228 lb freshman ranked outside the top 15 at the time. The most concerning part is he's not doing much of anything in matches offensively.
I'll be pulling like heck for Ben but the reality is he's looking at best like a fringe AA again this season. That's not what was expected.
 

Waukhawk

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Speaking for myself and a lot of fans I converse with yes, the expectation was he'd be higher than last year even considering the hip surgery. He had surgery in April of last year... it's been 9+ months now recovery for a high level athlete. They worked him back into the lineup slowly. Guys have that surgery and are commonly back to 100% in 6 months.
We were told all last year to just wait until the weight class cleared out of all the 6th year covid seniors... well here we are and we're not seeing any improvement, actually regression if anything. He got pushed around the mat and gassed out by a 228 lb freshman ranked outside the top 15 at the time. The most concerning part is he's not doing much of anything in matches offensively.
I'll be pulling like heck for Ben but the reality is he's looking at best like a fringe AA again this season. That's not what was expected.
Couldn't agree more with your assessment. It seems the excuses are aplenty for BK this year. But as Spencer once said, "excuses are for wussies".

The real litmus test will be against Feldman, a guy Ben beat like 3 times last year. If he loses that one, watch out!
 
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Dwayne_Johnson33

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What do you guys think Beth Goetz does? Has she already made a decision? Or is she gonna wait until after nationals to make the decision?

If you haven't watched this under 3 minute video, it's worth your time (from the Des Moines NBC affiliate).


If the administration chooses to move on from Brands it will most likely be on or shortly after July 1st. On July 1st the buyout for the remainder of his contract goes down to 500k.