These guys haven’t been listed as bailing to Virginia Tech yet so hopefully they’re gonna stay on board with us.
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And yet, PSU Athletics is in the red?
It is not rocket science. Most sports lose money. Football makes money. Do you want to eliminate sports that lose money? Make up your mind.
After Saquon, Trace was my next favorite player of that era. Happy to see him stay. We need to maintain a recruiting foothold in the DMV. I wonder if the expectation is that Trace helps to do so.
Possible (not definite, just speculation) that we may pull (former) VT rb coach Elijah Brooks. He is a coach that is firmly planted in the DMV. VT rushed for 185 yards per game this year and we rushed for 172 yards per game.
Strange that there hasn’t been more speculation on defensive coordinator. I can’t imagine Campbell retaining Barnes and Conner which is what sounds like he’s about to do, and then bring over Heacock to run a 3-3-5. Sounds like we’re going to continue a 4-3, 4-2-5 defense, and Heacock still isn’t officially listed anywhere despite the speculation. Im wondering if Campbell is going somewhere else for defensive coordinator with Heacock coming later as an advisor
$100 million a year? Gonna be a while. Maybe the coaches will wait until that figure is achieved to collect their money.
Actually, my bad. It‘s more than 100 million for Penn State, Ohio State, and Michigan.
Again, no need to worry about Penn State. They are pulling in a ton of money.
Big Ten's potential $2.4 billion deal reported to 'dramatically' benefit college football powerhouse
Ohio State is seemingly on top of the world, with a top-ranked football team in a thriving league. But with the Big Ten's new media rights deal under considerat
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I wonder if this is a foreshadowing of some REALLY good things for PSU. Think about it. Trace is from Virginia. He committed to James Franklin at Vanderbilt. He followed James Franklin to Penn State. He came back to James Franklin at Penn State. By appearances, he’s a James Franklin guy.
But he chose Penn State and Matt Campbell over James Franklin and VT.
If a JF guy like Tace McSorley is choosing to stay at PSU, maybe we’ll see a lot more staff and players stay at PSU than expected.
Penn State finished as a 3-6 B1G team not far from the bottom of the conference. Consequently, I am not sure every player will be welcomed back. This roster has some major holes and areas in need of upgrades.
I get what you’re saying but is there any evidence that JF offered Trace a job at Tech? They just hired Danny O’brien, the Tech budget probably has no room for an assistant QB coach
The VT fans do not know, at least last night when I looked on their board. It came as a surprise to them, and he is generally highly regarded there. Their team was awful, but they had a very good run game. Their speculation is that he got a job elsewhere. He has been working that DMV recruiting region for years now. I wonder if he is our solution to Campbell’s DMV recruiting need.
this would be huge if he is joining PSU. Could have immediate dividends with getting a couple of the dUMb commits to change their minds
They were also one play away from beating #6 Oregon and #2 Indiana. It’s all relative.
No.. The article you linked discusses a proposed investment by UC Investments that manages money for the University of California system. The numbers are one-time, not annual amounts that Big Ten members would receive in exchange for 10% of the conference's revenue from media rights and licensing. Translation: it would reduce conference distributions to schools over the proposed sixteen years of the deal. As things stand, there is a good chance that the deal won't happen.Actually, my bad. It‘s more than 100 million for Penn State, Ohio State, and Michigan.
Again, no need to worry about Penn State. They are pulling in a ton of money.
Big Ten's potential $2.4 billion deal reported to 'dramatically' benefit college football powerhouse
Ohio State is seemingly on top of the world, with a top-ranked football team in a thriving league. But with the Big Ten's new media rights deal under considerat
And while Penn State maybe "pulling in a ton of money," how much does $700 million weigh?
PSU, in 2023 and 2024 fiscal years, had the worst two-year financial results in the history of PSU athletics - aside from the COVID year (obviously) and the sanction years.
(Folks can look up those public records)
The numbers for 2025 fiscal year - ending June 30 2025 - have not yet been published. Expectations, of course, were for huge "philanthropy" to buy a little time (remember all those loud proclamations of every multi-million dollar "donation"? Haven't heard of them in a while..... maybe they just stopped announcing them, since they are so busy tallying up the money?)
So, the available data is BEFORE these expenses start to hit the books:
$20 Million + per year in revenue sharing to players
$10 M + in payoffs to fired coaches (fortunately a one-time expense.... until the next time)
Increases to scholarship numbers (and costs) for all sports
PK's statements that they will spend $30 M per year in "NIL" and $17 M per year in Coaching staff (just for football)
Addition of the west coast teams - significantly increasing travel expenses for all sports (all that the west coast schools field teams)
Huge increases in both "coaching" and "administrative" positions within Penn State Athletics
Debt for all of the "here-and-there" projects of the last couple years (soccer, field hockey, practice bubble, Lasch building, sports admin offices, etc etc etc)
And, oh, yes, BEFORE any of the expenses for that little remodel job going on along Park Avenue
And more and more and more..... including that old "inflation" thingy
And even in PSU's projections (some would say "fantastical" projections), which - obviously - they have already blown well past wrt expenditures, they projected a fiscal cliff in around 10 years. (Spoiler: It ain't gonna' take that long)
Any wonder that PSU President and AD are advocates for the Kick-The-Can-Down-The-Road Payday Loan?
It is what it is. Enjoy it while it last - PSU Admins certainly are.
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PSU, in 2023 and 2024 fiscal years, had the two worst year financial results in the history of PSU athletics - aside from the COVID year (obviously) and the sanction years.
(Folks can look up those public records)
The numbers for 2025 fiscal year - ending June 30 2025 - have not yet been published. Expectations, of course, were for huge "philanthropy" to buy a little time (remember all those loud proclamations of every multi-million dollar "donation"? Haven't heard of them in a while..... maybe they just stopped announcing them, since they are so busy tallying up the money?)
So, the available data is BEFORE:
$20 Million + per year in revenue sharing to players
$10 M + in payoffs to fired coaches (fortunately a one-time expense.... until the next time)
Increases to scholarship numbers for all sports
PK's statements that they will spend $30 M per year in "NIL" and $17 M per year in Coaching staff (just for football)
Addition of the west coast teams - significantly increasing travel expenses for all sports (all that the west coast schools field teams)
Huge increases in both "coaching" and "administrative" positions within Penn State Athletics
And, oh, yes, BEFORE any of the expenses for that little remodel job going on along Park Avenue
And more and more and more.....
And even in PSU's projections (some would say "fantastical" projections), which they have already blown well past wrt expenditures, they projected a fiscal cliff in around 10 years. (Spoiler: It ain't gonna' take that long)
Any wonder that PSU President and AD are advocates for the Kick-The-Can-Down-The-Road Payday Loan?
It is what it is. Enjoy it while it last - PSU Admin certainly are.
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Why would McSorley go to VoTech to be an assistant QB coach when he will likely be the QB coach at PS a place he loves.
The post said he turned down vo-tech and franklin to stay. No evidence he was offered at Tech. Sounds like Jake Waters is coming in from ISU to be qb coach
I can't imagine Campbell is silly/unserious enough to make McSorley the primary guy in charge of the QBs.
He's in there's a reason why he and two others haven't been publicly announced.
Its part loyalty and familiarity and speed. Most coaches grab some of current staff. It's not just Franklin that does this. Campbell is doing it too. and we applaud it. I think your anti-Franklin bias is creeping in here.
If it doesn't work out then they go outside their initial comfort zone the following year. It's the pattern with coaching changes. We see that elsewhere. It's also the fastest way to put a staff together in the middle of a recruiting season or to quickly prepare for a forthcoming upcoming portal opening to illustrate some sort of stability for recruits to see. Doing time consuming exhaustive searches for lower level assistant coaches when time is of the essence is not the best approach most of the time.
Now you could certainly question the quality of the guys based on previous results. Example - O'Brien looks to be a problem. Hard to argue Howle though. Most felt he was quality and the TE room has delivered the last few years.
Even Heacock, if he gets the DC job is not running a 3-3-5 here. Knowles is gone.
Historically, ISU ran alot of 2 and 3 TE sets for the running game and passing game. When they found good WRs they leaned in on them. Basically Campbell seems to have shown he can adjust to personnel he has. At the start, he may not have the big bodies up front for an effective running game but history shows he will adjust. I think his preference is 12 and 13 types of formations though.
Yeah, I'm glad both are gone and I truly hate the 3-3-5 for the Big Ten conference. As I've said many times there are times during a game depending on the opponent you might use the 3-3-5 but I have always been a multiple guy on both D and O.
Would be nice to see forward-looking projections from the Athletic Department, but that's never happening.PSU, in 2023 and 2024 fiscal years, had the worst two-year financial results in the history of PSU athletics - aside from the COVID year (obviously) and the sanction years.
(Folks can look up those public records)
The numbers for 2025 fiscal year - ending June 30 2025 - have not yet been published. Expectations, of course, were for huge "philanthropy" to buy a little time (remember all those loud proclamations of every multi-million dollar "donation"? Haven't heard of them in a while..... maybe they just stopped announcing them, since they are so busy tallying up the money?)
So, the available data is BEFORE these expenses start to hit the books:
$20 Million + per year in revenue sharing to players
$10 M + in payoffs to fired coaches (fortunately a one-time expense.... until the next time)
Increases to scholarship numbers (and costs) for all sports
PK's statements that they will spend $30 M per year in "NIL" and $17 M per year in Coaching staff (just for football)
Addition of the west coast teams - significantly increasing travel expenses for all sports (all that the west coast schools field teams)
Huge increases in both "coaching" and "administrative" positions within Penn State Athletics
Debt for all of the "here-and-there" projects of the last couple years (soccer, field hockey, practice bubble, Lasch building, sports admin offices, etc etc etc)
And, oh, yes, BEFORE any of the expenses for that little remodel job going on along Park Avenue
And more and more and more..... including that old "inflation" thingy
And even in PSU's projections (some would say "fantastical" projections), which - obviously - they have already blown well past wrt expenditures, they projected a fiscal cliff in around 10 years. (Spoiler: It ain't gonna' take that long)
Any wonder that PSU President and AD are advocates for the Kick-The-Can-Down-The-Road Payday Loan?
It is what it is. Enjoy it while it last - PSU Admins certainly are.
Keep in mind that most of those "donations" are pledges, not cash-on-the-barrelhead. They are usually paid over 5-15 years, and not necessarily in their entirety. Is anyone betting the baby's milk money that PSU will realize the full amount of the West Shore Homes naming deal?
Well Rojas going down the Monday before UCLA was a problem for him and we didn't have a quality replacement. Knowles said in August practice he maybe had 2 LBs he was comfortable with for his scheme which was very telling. Then you lose your best LB and probably the 2nd or 3rd best guy on your defense. They totally underestimated the UCLA QB's athleticism. There wasn't an athlete on our D who could spy him effectively. Dom Deluca? I don't think so.
Campbell has no idea right now if "his guys" are going to cut it at this level which is essentially the Big10. He knows them better than us though, and that's all he know at his point, so we have to trust. He doesn't have time for an exhaustive search outside the program. Either does Franklin for that matter. This is what coaches do they run with who they know at the beginning. I think Campbell will be quick to make changes after 2026 if he doesn't see the positive trends. No way you can expect much in 2026 from this team. The year is totally nuked. Don't look at wins/losses, look for trends.
Yes I remember that. I also remember just about everyone here was thrilled with the Knowles acquisition. Hindsights 20/20 or as Spurrier used to say 50/50.
We didn't have the players for his scheme he knew it in August.
See if BGJ compounds his mistake and hires Hagan at VT to be WR coach....
Yes. Relevant points.
As far as WSH is concerned - since you mentioned it:
FWIW: That is no more than rounding error to the total budget (That said, obviously, you want to see those advertising dollars continue get paid every year - even a couple million per year adds up)
