New Narrative for Next Year - No Second Chance

[CDLionFL]

Mostly local sports talk and social media for now. Particularly from potential fringe top 12 teams (Iowa, Miami, Ok St, North Carolina, etc.) and the current super powers of the sport. National narratives haven’t been focused on this yet, no revenue in it at this time.

Leave PSU out of it for the moment since that gets everyone in here butt hurt on one side of the fence. Take LSU and Florida. They could play during the regular season, the SEC championship game, and then again in the playoffs. If LSU beats them twice, they then have to do it a third time? Do we give some undefeated Liberty team a chance instead of the twice beaten Gators who had their chance? It’s going to be interesting.

There have been 25 times since the merger where an NFL team has gone 2-0 against a team and faced them again in the playoffs (that team has finished the sweep 16 times, including Eagles over Giants last season). So this ‘narrative’ would hate it in college but celebrate it in the NFL?

 

[PSU89er]

Mostly local sports talk and social media for now. Particularly from potential fringe top 12 teams (Iowa, Miami, Ok St, North Carolina, etc.) and the current super powers of the sport. National narratives haven’t been focused on this yet, no revenue in it at this time.

Leave PSU out of it for the moment since that gets everyone in here butt hurt on one side of the fence. Take LSU and Florida. They could play during the regular season, the SEC championship game, and then again in the playoffs. If LSU beats them twice, they then have to do it a third time? Do we give some undefeated Liberty team a chance instead of the twice beaten Gators who had their chance? It’s going to be interesting.

Again, just seed them so they don't play each other early. If they both won games to play each other in a semi-final or championship game. They both deserve to be there. Why is this so hard for you to see? They do it basketball. Also, it ensure big conference interconference games which would probably generate more interest.

 

[GrimReaper]

There have been 25 times since the merger where an NFL team has gone 2-0 against a team and faced them again in the playoffs (that team has finished the sweep 16 times, including Eagles over Giants last season). So this ‘narrative’ would hate it in college but celebrate it in the NFL?

Don't have a strong opinion about that scenario (inclined not to like it), but it comes about as the result of criteria that are well-known and established before the season begins, not decisions from a bunch of men who are worn down by the amount of food and booze they've consumed and the accumulated flatulence in the room.

 

[Mufasa94]

Conference champs (however many you want to consider worthy of being in the playoffs) entering the playoff was always such a simple way to do it. Take out the subjectivity and move on.

Isn’t the determination of “however many you consider worthy” being subjective?

I’d say any system that would say 9-3 OSU (Cowboys) should still have an opportunity at the MNC while 11-1 OSU (THE OSU) should already be eliminated is flawed.

Quotas are not a good idea.

 

[GrimReaper]

Isn’t the determination of “however many you consider worthy” being subjective?

I’d say any system that would say 9-3 OSU (Cowboys) should still have an opportunity at the MNC while 11-1 OSU (THE OSU) should already be eliminated is flawed.

Quotas are not a good idea.

The rule that "only conference champions qualify for the playoff" is objective: everyone knows conference champions are. and how they are determined. A bunch of farts determining who gets in based on undefined criteria isn't.

 

[Mufasa94]

The rule that "only conference champions qualify for the playoff" is objective: everyone knows conference champions are. and how they are determined. A bunch of farts determining who gets in based on undefined criteria isn't.

Read what I replied to. Said poster wrote “however many you consider worthy”. Said poster did not write “every”. That to be determined number of conference champs would be a subjective amount of participants.

 

[GrimReaper]

Read what I replied to. Said poster wrote “however many you consider worthy”. Said poster did not write “every”. That to be determined number of conference champs would be a subjective amount of participants.

Given the power structure that exists in college football, he was correct to write it. Once the conferences with automatic entree are determined, the criteria are objective.

 

[Connorpozlee]

Isn’t the determination of “however many you consider worthy” being subjective?

I’d say any system that would say 9-3 OSU (Cowboys) should still have an opportunity at the MNC while 11-1 OSU (THE OSU) should already be eliminated is flawed.

Quotas are not a good idea.

No flaw at all to me. Like the old MLB playoffs. First place get you in, second place gets you nothing, even if you have the second best record in the league.
To answer your first question, I would say SEC, Big10, ACC, Big12. 4 teams, 3 games. Determine first round games on a rotating basis.

 

[Mufasa94]

Given the power structure that exists in college football, he was correct to write it. Once the conferences with automatic entree are determined, the criteria are objective.

Someone, or should say group of someones, would be deciding which conferences are included. That decision is subjective.

 

[Mufasa94]

No flaw at all to me. Like the old MLB playoffs. First place get you in, second place gets you nothing, even if you have the second best record in the league.
To answer your first question, I would say SEC, Big10, ACC, Big12. 4 teams, 3 games. Determine first round games on a rotating basis.

Your determination of just 4 conferences is a subjective determination of what you deem appropriate.

 

[GrimReaper]

Someone, or should say group of someones, would be deciding which conferences are included. That decision is subjective.

Just like every decision in every league in every sport as to how its playoffs are constituted is subjective.

 

[Mufasa94]

Just like every decision in every league in every sport as to how its playoffs are constituted is subjective.

So…it isn’t taking out the subjectivity as the poster originally claimed and I questioned.

 

[EPC FAN]

Georgetown had twice beaten Villanova before they met in the 1985 championship game. Just putting that out here for whatever.

Both very good games. I was at the Spectrum for the home game.

 

[LionJim]

Both very good games. I was at the Spectrum for the home game.

Yeah, Villanova kept it close in both regular season games, 52-50 and 57-50. Villanova’s championship win wasn’t a fluke.

 

[razpsu]

The SEC has been the home of 2 and 3 matchups of the same teams. It seems many years the SEC Championship game is a rematch in the CFP.

Only because they do not play each other in the regular season ever.

 

[razpsu]

Been hearing and seeing rumblings regarding what the 12 team playoff would look like if it happened this year. Obviously PSU would be in as somewhere between a #12 to #9 seed. For the 10-2 is good crowd and that lets us skate into the playoffs, the new growing narrative appears to be that teams like PSU should not get a second crack at the Michigan and OSUs of the world in the playoffs. Save those 9, 10 11, and 12 spots for teams that don't beat a bunch of .500 teams and lose to the better teams. Almost starting to look like they want the equivalent of #16 seeds in the NCAA tournament: maybe get a Cinderella or just let the top 4 to 6 seeds clobber them so they get a true advantage for the playoff. Will be interesting to see what way the wind blows as PSU may become the poster boy for "do we really want to see Michigan beat PSU for a second time this season?"

We may not be in the top 12 this year.

 

[bdgan]

Penn State doesn’t play Michigan next year.

No, but they do play USC, UCLA, Washington, and Ohio State. It might be a tall order to finish 10-2 and qualify for a 12 team playoff.