New Orlando tragedy: Gator attack

[MdWIldcat55]

First the pop singer. Then the Isis-inspired lunatic attack.

Now this: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/06/14/reports-alligator-drags-child-into-water-fla/85905266/

Horrible story from a cursed place.

 

[.S&C.]

Disney needs to get out of the arena of social ideas and figure out how to keep 2 year olds from pre-historic dinosaurs.

 

[Pope John Wall II]

When the hell are we going to ban assault gators?

 

[allabouttheUK]

This was a hate crime, and has no links to ISIL. If the gator didn't have such short arms it's believe it would have used an AR-15 and gunned the young child down. This type of behavior will not be tolerated and we must pass legislation banning assault rifles.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

That has to be the worst feeling in the world.

Think of it this way, you could watch a horror movie where 80 people get whacked, one by one and it does nothing to you on the inside. But if I saw an alligator movie where a toddler gets pulled in while the dad tries to fight him free, yet fails.. I'd have nightmares..

And I don't even have kids..

And that's a damn movie..

Not even sure how the family moves on from something like this. For the Dad, it has to replay over and over and over again for the rest of your life.

 

[allabouttheUK]

That would suck, but then again I would never have my child further than arms length at a place where there are dangers like that.

I'm hoping they don't decide to reproduce again.

Agree on the movies. Hate seeing a child or animal killed...adults, screw'em they probably deserved it.

 

[BankerCat12]

Happens in 3's

 

[CatFromDaHood]

This was a hate crime, and has no links to ISIL. If the gator didn't have such short arms it's believe it would have used an AR-15 and gunned the young child down. This type of behavior will not be tolerated and we must pass legislation banning assault rifles.

Child dragged to his death? Hey, why not toss in some gun humor?

 

[LineSkiCat14]

That would suck, but then again I would never have my child further than arms length at a place where there are dangers like that.

I'm hoping they don't decide to reproduce again.

Agree on the movies. Hate seeing a child or animal killed...adults, screw'em they probably deserved it.

But this isn't like those parents who let their kids crawl into a gorilla pit.. It's Disney and not even a theme park. I haven't stayed at the GF in a few years, but it's not some hotel plopped in the rain forest that's barely cleared out. Where the family was staying, it's very common to be outside, near the water, or even sticking your feet in.

Reports say that the kid was only 10-20 feet away, splashing in a pool like area where the water rose to. I can't really blame the parents for that, at least not like those zoo stories.

But instead, maybe the place above is more dangerous than we or Disney thought? Because that certainly doesn't look like I place I'd be afraid to jump into the water.

 

[allabouttheUK]

Child dragged to his death? Hey, why not toss in some gun humor?

Ok

Q: What do an alligator and an assault rifle have in common?

A: They both kill people!!! :joy:

 

[BlueBallz_rivals30790]

That would suck, but then again I would never have my child further than arms length at a place where there are dangers like that.

I'm hoping they don't decide to reproduce again.

Agree on the movies. Hate seeing a child or animal killed...adults, screw'em they probably deserved it.

Being at a Disney resort on property, they probably had a false sense of security. You don't feel like you are in a dangerous place when your at Disney. Hell, go to Gatorland in Orlando, they'll let you sit on an alligator and get right next to them to feed them.

 

[H. Lecter]

Who's the worse parent? The cincy zoo and ape lady or th Orlando Disney and alligator dad. Seems similar to me.

 

[allabouttheUK]

But this isn't like those parents who let their kids crawl into a gorilla pit.. It's Disney and not even a theme park. I haven't stayed at the GF in a few years, but it's not some hotel plopped in the rain forest that's barely cleared out. Where the family was staying, it's very common to be outside, near the water, or even sticking your feet in.

Reports say that the kid was only 10-20 feet away, splashing in a pool like area where the water rose to. I can't really blame the parents for that, at least not like those zoo stories.

But instead, maybe the place above is more dangerous than we or Disney thought? Because that certainly doesn't look like I place I'd be afraid to jump into the water.

Agreed. I just see it different I guess, and am more cautious than most. It's FL, and there are four dangers in FL...Lightning, sharks, alligators, and invasive giant snakes.

If someone said "hey there is a slight chance that your child will be dragged to his/her death by a gator here." Would you let them go? I'm not saying stay away from water and lock yourself in a hotel room, just be very mindful of the dangers or suffer the consequences. Florida is not Nebraska, so you need to pay much closer attention.

 

[allabouttheUK]

Being at a Disney resort on property, they probably had a false sense of security. You don't feel like you are in a dangerous place when your at Disney. Hell, go to Gatorland in Orlando, they'll let you sit on an alligator and get right next to them to feed them.

That is the problem. Situational awareness was lost and replaced with a false sense of security.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Maybe I should be more conscious as well.

But maybe.. maybe Disney shouldn't be selling Jetski Rides in the same lake a kid just got swallowed up by an alligator.

 

[allabouttheUK]

Maybe I should be more conscious as well.

But maybe.. maybe Disney shouldn't be selling Jetski Rides in the same lake a kid just got swallowed up by an alligator.

Disney will do whatever they can to make a buck, but I agree with you.

 

[MdWIldcat55]

As a father, seeing a child killed in front of you would have to be the most horrific thing imaginable. To have it done by some hideous Mesozoic nightmare would make it all the worse.

We had alligators at the door of extinction by the 1960s. Keeping a few around in the Everglades and other designated wildlife sanctuaries would be fine with me. But why do we have to put up with them in Disneyworld, and every golf course and city pond and housing complex lake?

Kill 'em, cook 'em, can 'em and give them to the hungry.

 

[P.PattersonISwalkingthruthatdoor]

I cannot even begin to fathom what that dad is going thru. To see a wild animal grab your son in its jaws and then pull him away despite you fighting it? And in the shadows of a reputable luxury hotel?
JC....

 

[.S&C.]

I'm not sure I'd be able to live with it. And to make it worse I've got a 2 year old son.

I really think I'd die too, right then and there. I can't see myself not going into the water and never coming out.

 

[shockdaddy19]

I have a 7 month old son and I'm not sure I would be able to live after that. Never mind not actually dying trying to save him. You never truly know how you'd respond in a situation like that but I think you'd have to commit me for the rest of my life.

 

[DaBossIsBack]

Agreed. I just see it different I guess, and am more couscous than most. It's FL, and there are four dangers in FL...Lightning, sharks, alligators, and invasive giant snakes.

If someone said "hey there is a slight chance that your child will be dragged to his/her death by a gator here." Would you let them go? I'm not saying stay away from water and lock yourself in a hotel room, just be very mindful of the dangers or suffer the consequences. Florida is not Nebraska, so you need to pay much closer attention.

Sounds tasty.

 

[AustinTXCat]

Kill 'em, cook 'em, can 'em and give them to the hungry.

Gator is pretty fair meat. I like it and have no problems paying a little extra for it.

But, yeah, horrible week for the City Beautiful.

 

[allabouttheUK]

Sounds tasty.

Good lookin out. Should probably read what is recommended for a correction before selecting it.

 

[DaBossIsBack]

Good lookin out. Should probably read what is recommended for a correction before selecting it.

Now I want some gator on a bed of couscous.

 

[Xception]

Terrible , feel for the parents . There are no swimming signs visible from any vantage point , being from Nebraska I guess they didn't think about alligators being in almost any body of water . You should always research your vacation area , people expect the places they visit to eliminate any possible danger .

 

[.S&C.]

Yea I'm not buying the "there are signs" arguments here. And I'm one who usually places the blame on the individual and hates lawsuits.

This is a disney land resort, with children everywhere, and that family was allowed to wade in angle deep water where GD modern day dinosaurs are known to exist. A two year old shouldn't even be able to access such a spot. Disney is a billion dollar corporation yet they can't afford to have permanent security posted at points where people can be eaten alive?

A posted sign? Really?

This isn't as simple as "do not enter".

 

[Guess Who]

Gators in Fla are in about every lake, pond or river. Easier said than done to remediate them needless to say. It's a horror story having your child attacked and dragged away. Disney folks should have had shorelines posted better. The snowbirds that visit there don't have a clue how gators are pretty much everywhere and love small critters that now includes 2 yr olds unfortunately.

 

[.S&C.]

Gators in Fla are in about every lake, pond or river. Easier said than done to remediate them needless to say. It's a horror story having your child attacked and dragged away. Disney folks should have had shorelines posted better. The snowbirds that visit there don't have a clue how gators are pretty much everywhere and love small critters that now includes 2 yr olds unfortunately.

My issue is where it happened. It looks like a welcoming plank for crocs.

 

[Guess Who]

My issue is where it happened. It looks like a welcoming plank for crocs.

Yes it is. Disney should have danger warnings posted. I lived down there over 10 yrs. It's mind-blowing how many gators there really are even in urban areas. Nothing new and they should've known better. BIGass lawsuit coming for sure tho that doesn't replace losing ones child.

 

[.S&C.]

Yes it is. Disney should have danger warnings posted. I lived down there over 10 yrs. It's mind-blowing how many gators there really are even in urban areas. Nothing new and they should've known better. BIGass lawsuit coming for sure tho that doesn't replace losing ones child.

I understand. I grew up going to florida but mainly St. Pete. I'm not a lawsuit type of person, but I'd do everything I could to bankrupt that park. No way a family shouldn't be stopped fro entering that water with the recourses disney has at its disposal.

 

[Guess Who]

I understand. I grew up going to florida but mainly St. Pete. I'm not a lawsuit type of person, but I'd do everything I could to bankrupt that park. No way a family shouldn't be stopped fro entering that water with the recourses disney has at its disposal.

Lived in St Pete also. Agree with lawsuits but sometimes it's the only thing to get their attention evidently.

 

[.S&C.]

Lived in St Pete also. Agree with lawsuits but sometimes it's the only thing to get their attention evidently.

Al Lang Stadium man. Back when it was spring training for the cardinals. Great place I really miss going.

 

[UKserialkiller]

Yes it is. Disney should have danger warnings posted. I lived down there over 10 yrs. It's mind-blowing how many gators there really are even in urban areas. Nothing new and they should've known better. BIGass lawsuit coming for sure tho that doesn't replace losing ones child.

Currently in Orlando for the past 6 years.

Yep, gators are nothing new here. Just have to keep an eye on all water sources here. Even a retention pond can have them.

Several decades ago Disney had to shut down Discovery island due to deaths from some water bacteria. It remains but it is abandoned.

 

[WayneDougan_rivals170043]

Didn't they hear the "tick-tock tick-tock"?

 

[Guess Who]

Al Lang Stadium man. Back when it was spring training for the cardinals. Great place I really miss going.

I miss the beautiful shorelines & nice clear gulf water. Texas waters pretty much suck!

 

[P.PattersonISwalkingthruthatdoor]

I'm not one for frivolous lawsuits, but that family deserves to walk away with a LOT of money.

Disney actively recruits tourists who *arent* from Florida and who don't know the first thing about gators. If I'm paying >$600/night for a room at a luxury hotel owned by one of the most famous corporations in the world, I would expect not only extensive education and warnings about life-threatening risks, but also legitimate barriers from said risks. This isn't ****ing Botswana.

If you have lethal, camouflaged apex predators within striking distance of your guests, you need to do a LOT to mitigate those risks.

 

[.S&C.]

I'm not one for frivolous lawsuits, but that family deserves to walk away with a LOT of money.

Disney actively recruits tourists who *arent* from Florida and who don't know the first thing about gators. If I'm paying >$600/night for a room at a luxury hotel owned by one of the most famous corporations in the world, I would expect not only extensive education and warnings about life-threatening risks, but also legitimate barriers from said risks. This isn't ****ing Botswana.

If you have lethal, camouflaged apex predators within striking distance of your guests, you need to do a LOT to mitigate those risks.

exactly.

 

[UKserialkiller]

If you have lethal, camouflaged apex predators within striking distance of your guests, you need to do a LOT to mitigate those risks.

Muslims?

 

[WayneDougan_rivals170043]

I'm not one for frivolous lawsuits, but that family deserves to walk away with a LOT of money.

Disney actively recruits tourists who *arent* from Florida and who don't know the first thing about gators. If I'm paying >$600/night for a room at a luxury hotel owned by one of the most famous corporations in the world, I would expect not only extensive education and warnings about life-threatening risks, but also legitimate barriers from said risks. This isn't ****ing Botswana.

If you have lethal, camouflaged apex predators within striking distance of your guests, you need to do a LOT to mitigate those risks.

Counterpoint: If a panther, which is native to Florida, snuck in the park and killed a kid, would they also be liable? In both cases, it's never happened before.

 

[P.PattersonISwalkingthruthatdoor]

Counterpoint: If a panther, which is native to Florida, snuck in the park and killed a kid, would they also be liable? In both cases, it's never happened before.

I don't know the first thing about panthers. If that's a similar dynamic to what's going on with this tragedy (in listening to native Floridians ITT, any hotel built next to a large lake is going to have plenty of gators), then ya.

A certain amount of security is to be expected if you're paying that type of cash for a hotel room.