The best thing for Coleman is to have the AD (his boss) select him rather than John. There is more longevity when times get tough if the AD's name is on the hire.
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what happened at virginia tek in 2006?
brands goes home guts a program
what if the current room follows coleman?
what if taylor’s wife hates it here?
what if taylor does a coleman in five years?
taylor grabs a huge okie at bag and goes home?
at that point we’ve alienated our current room and penn st dispatched a top rival for another five years
why are we the most historic program and not the most elite?
because of a calamity of decisions
“historic program” is dust in the wind
Edit: this tweet is now deleted. It was a tweet from Willie saying that Coleman was meeting with the AD today.
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Wow! do I have block you again? Some people can’t handle different opinions. I’m being a realist. He has no connection to the program nor did he seek out the job. We think Cael will be at PSU for a lot longer but how long did he last in freestyle? I’ll answer that for you, 2 years on the senior level. Everyone thought and was hoping he would be the future of our senior program. I will voice my concerns until our coach is hired, then I’ll jump on board w/ whoever we choose.
I probably meant it much more light hearted then you took it. Chicken is a pretty innocuous term lol.
You blocked me before? I didn’t think I had ever been that abrasive.
Just for future reference take everything I post as fun banter. I just love the discussion
I personally don’t live in a world full of “what if.” I’m not even saying I want one over the other. CS is who I expected to be next soon as we brought him in. What I am saying is I can’t be mad at the AD for wanting to set us up with the best candidates. He even went after Bill Self for basketball. We want to win. That’s all. I don’t like the feeling of yanking CS’s chain but as I understand it, he knew coming here wasn’t a guarantee but a GOOD foot in the door.
You could be right but that’s a fear reaction. OSU wrestling isn’t a program that needs to be making decisions based on fear of rejection and what ifs that may or may not happen years down the road. That’s all I’m saying. Coleman could fall flat on his face… what would that do to the program?
Sorry, I may have overreacted
#1 - We aren't VT, we are Oklahoma State. At worst, we should be in the Top 5 of every high level coach in the sport. That includes Sanderson and so on. So yes, I agree man, that was a fear outlook and not completely realistic.
#2 - I don't think CS would fall flat on his face. Smith is going to stay involved, with whoever we bring in most likely.
#3 - Has anybody asked CS if he wants the job? He really looked happy and healthy this year whereas he looked tired and rundown in the past. Maybe he likes being the right hand man? Maybe he doesn't like the political and administrative side of being the head man?
#4 - My patience is wearing down, I am not enjoying this anymore and I want to know what is going to happen. I've heard too many rumors.
I think we can all agree on the fact, the longer they wait to make a decision, the more damage control that will have to be done.
I do understand basing one’s decision on fear, I just see more caveats with David Taylor. I do like what he would bring to the table, fresh perspective, name recognition, association with the number one program in the country.
Wait, what was I saying?
I do understand basing one’s decision on fear, I just see more caveats with David Taylor. I do like what he would bring to the table, fresh perspective, name recognition, association with the number one program in the country.
Wait, what was I saying?
NOT A ARGUMENT.. just adding to your thoughts
From one point of view, anytime a program has gone on a run of domination in the past 30 years in wrestling, the entire run goes off the rails at the point where the coaches, assistant coaches and graduates that helped usher in the success leave the program to start there own program.. both Iowa and Ok State have massive and far reaching "coaching tree's" that have produced success at places other than Iowa or Ok State. Do you know who doesnt have a "coaching tree" to speak of? Penn State. Virtually everyone has either stayed there or left the sport. They have kept their staff intacted and have not only kept their best people who have interested in international success, they have pulled in almost everyone from outside the program to join. As of today, no one is breaking confidence on how exactly Penn State runs things and thats a problem because at this point the race is to see who will get 2nd. Getting David Taylor to break away and come here would be HUGE and likely the 1st real step towards prying the gold trophy away from Penn State. It WOULD be huge to have David Taylor come here as a coach.. Is it the right thing though considering what has happened at this point? Coleman seems to have left his program to come here and take over for Coach Smith. I have a hard time thinking anyone would leave a solid position for "the opportunity" .. Nothing against Ok State, Im really speaking more to the fact that there is a difference between the decisions you make as a single man vs. the decisions you make as a husband and father. He was established at North Carolina and seems to have been doing things the right way. If he was given assurances that the job was his once Coach Smith retired, That should be honored. While I understand the desire to win, to be the one to unseat Penn State and position Ok State as the premiere program in college wrestling, is there a limit to what SHOULD be done? Is there such thing as a bridge too far? While I dont claim to know everything or to be a expert on all things related to coaching wrestling and running a program, I have seen a few things along the way.. one of which is that almost every time Ive seen someone make a morally questionable decision in order have the chance to get a few points at the end, it hasnt worked out.. When you have someone who has been with the program for years and paid the price but is marginal for a post season placement on paper, "well, theres this kid who is on campus that one state 2 years ago, lets recruit him with a month to go and potentially upset the chemistry of the entire team just before regionals"... OR.. The starter is tough but is morally compromised. He wins but at the same time sets a horrible example to everyone else.. OR... at the regional tournament, the night before weigh ins, the coaching staff catches two starters smoking weed in the hotel room AND LETS THEM STAY ON THE TRIP AND WRESTLE... OR.. you find out the blue chip recruits you were so happy to get steal from the gas stations during road trip bathroom breaks and you pretend like you dont notice.. All situations where the person in charge of making the decision was so desperate to get things back on track they were willing to do the wrong thing.. and these situations never worked out for that coach.. This situation seems more of the same.. If you were not sure that Coleman was your choice, your shouldnt have uprooted him from his situation.. You made your choice, stand by it.. just my opinion..
#3 I agree with completely. Maybe he is ok with having a ton of money thrown at him with not as much of the responsibility
Coleman did/does have a meeting with AD this morning.
I'm telling you... I may not be wired like these guys(I know im not), but casey cunningham has the best job in the business.
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I don’t think we are on a time frame for any decision. I like the due diligence and taking time to weigh and view all options. Only thing we MIGHT miss out on is guys we would only be renting for a year.
This thread has me like a crack addict. My mind will go on with life for about 10 minutes and then I'm right back here lol.
Is there a world were we get Both of them?
To be fair... I really want those guys.
The only thing I'd add is that if I was one of those two and I had serious interest in OSU with Coleman... I don't see a situation where OSU hurts itself outside of us not hiring CS or DT.
And I wouldn't be making any decisions until OSU had finalized (If I had real interest in OSU)
Blair said that world is called fantasy land... Here's to hoping. OSU wrestling needs something big.
Arguable. Whoever takes over for Cael will be viewed as Cael #2 and expected to maintain the dynasty. That's a tall ask on top of the normal job, and maybe DT wants to build something of his own.
Exactly!
Do the fun stuff, get paid nicely for it and hopefully win at a big clip.
Yes, that has been floated. So there is a world we have both of them...just not sure it's on this world. Could be, but it could also be jupiter.
The only downside to this is that Casey and DT saying no only helps the perception of PSU
no these valid are considerations
between gable and cael iowa st had about
25 national titles leave their room
david taylor could be the next great thing
Why can’t we build the same system? Assistants playing there roles MONEY great recruiting and being a big player in portal.
DT not taking the position is very unfortunate. We needed a fresh perspective in the worst way.
I believe Coleman is meeting with the AD this morning. Should know soon hopefully.
Coleman is a fresh perspective. He is absolutely not Smith 2.0.
Crazy that people watched this team last year and have zero faith in CS. Imo we had a completely different feel this year than the last few seasons. That had a lot to do with CS. I loved year 1 of having him back.
I like Coleman. He can do good job. I am just frustrated that Coleman being lightweight specialist, could not make our lot of our light weight guys place except for Fix last year. But whoever the admin selects I’ll put my 100% behind them.
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Just to clarify… are you agreeing that DT is that elite or are you saying that Coleman could be our version of ISU's Gable or Cael if we let go to another school?