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Obviously very premature, but my team just lost, so I can start doing this now.

If Montini makes a 6A final this year, are they 7A next year? If they don't win next week, are they still bumped to 6A next year or back down to 5A?

Is SHG still bumped to 6A next year even though they won't make the finals this year?

Assuming Naz wins next week, they get bumped to 6A next year, correct?

And finally, I assume LWW will be 6A or 7A next year with the extra kids they will get from the school closing and redistricting.

If all four of those former 5A heavy hitters are in fact up to 6A, 2016 5A is wide open. Especially with a rebuilding JCA. Could be the year to finally see a 5A public break through. Or maybe an opening for MCC.
 
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Jchill,

No SF for Naz yet since the MC rule says if you win at two different levels you don't automatically get bumped. Montini is 7A regardless of outcome is my understanding and I believe SHG you are correct about.

If I'm mistaken please let me know where cause I want a clear understanding of the murky IHSA private screw factor.

JCHillmen said:
Obviously very premature, but my team just lost, so I can start doing this now.

If Montini makes a 6A final this year, are they 7A next year? If they don't win next week, are they still bumped to 6A next year or back down to 5A?

Is SHG still bumped to 6A next year even though they won't make the finals this year?

Assuming Naz wins next week, they get bumped to 6A next year, correct?

And finally, I assume LWW will be 6A or 7A next year with the extra kids they will get from the school closing and redistricting.

If all four of those former 5A heavy hitters are in fact up to 6A, 2016 5A is wide open. Especially with a rebuilding JCA. Could be the year to finally see a 5A public break through. Or maybe an opening for MCC.
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jwar,

I admittedly have no idea, but if Naz isn't bumped, that is clearly the dumbest application of a dumb rule you can possibly have. So had they won 5A and 5A, they would get bumped to 6A. But because they potentially win 6A and then 5A, they wouldn't get bumped? Even though 6A is ostensibly better than 5A? Even though a 6A/5A repeat is better than a 5A/5A repeat, they would only get bumped for the "lesser" feat?

I haven't read the rule in months, but I would be shocked if a 6A/5A repeat doesn't get a team bumped out of 5A the following year. Then again, it is the IHSA and they have shocked us all before.....
 
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JCHillmen said:
I assume LWW will be 6A or 7A next year with the extra kids they will get from the school closing and redistricting..
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When does the IHSA actually determine enrollments for football?
I thought it was in the summer, so when/how are the enrollments of the 2016 LW schools determined?

The enrollments of the Glenbard schools for the 2015 season are actually the Fall 2014 enrollments reported to the ISBE. It appears that enrollment is from the previous year.

http://www.isbe.net/research/htmls/fall_housing.htm
 
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Jchill,

I don't disagree with it being dumb just know how it was applied to Mt Carmel and 8A+ 7A wins. As penlight points out one thing constant about IHSA rule book is it will be dynamic to "level the playing field" uphill for privates!

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jwar,

I admittedly have no idea, but if Naz isn't bumped, that is clearly the dumbest application of a dumb rule you can possibly have. So had they won 5A and 5A, they would get bumped to 6A. But because they potentially win 6A and then 5A, they wouldn't get bumped? Even though 6A is ostensibly better than 5A? Even though a 6A/5A repeat is better than a 5A/5A repeat, they would only get bumped for the "lesser" feat?

I haven't read the rule in months, but I would be shocked if a 6A/5A repeat doesn't get a team bumped out of 5A the following year. Then again, it is the IHSA and they have shocked us all before.....
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montini would be going to 7a next year, even if they didn't make the playoffs is year. If Montini,not in 6 and either SHG then no reason for Nazareth to be "bumped down" to 5a
 
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psspfan said:
montini would be going to 7a next year, even if they didn't make the playoffs is year. If Montini,not in 6 and either SHG then no reason for Nazareth to be "bumped down" to 5a
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I have read this 6 times, and frankly I have no idea what you're trying to say.
 
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Enrollment has little to do with class. Unless Naz was short 150 kids in the freshmen class this year?
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How can you say enrollment has little to do with class. The ihsa uses your previous year enrollment. So last years Naz senior class was about 50 kids less than the incoming class this year. Naz wasn't too far off the cut line this year.
 
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godfthr53 said:
How can you say enrollment has little to do with class. The ihsa uses your previous year enrollment. So last years Naz senior class was about 50 kids less than the incoming class this year. Naz wasn't too far off the cut line this year.
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Got it, was trying to figure out where the gap was but a 50 kid swing should fit them firmly in 6A.

As far as the enrollment comment, I may have been a few drinks deep when I posted that.
 
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mchsalumni said:
Got it, was trying to figure out where the gap was but a 50 kid swing should fit them firmly in 6A.

As far as the enrollment comment, I may have been a few drinks deep when I posted that.
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Understandable I mean it was big win 1 of 2 in dekalb
 
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What a dumb rule anyhow with the success factor.

Nobody understands it, not even those who most follow high school football. Throw the rule in the toilet!

Wassup
 
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emillika said:
Mchs where going to 7a in 2016 even if they were 0-9. Makes perfect sense.
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Montini is 7A next year, I
emillika said:
Mchs where going to 7a in 2016 even if they were 0-9. Makes perfect sense.[/QUO ^A]
Montini is 7A next year. If they make it to the 6A finals th
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psspfan said:
montini would be going to 7a next year, even if they didn't make the playoffs is year. If Montini,not in 6 and either SHG then no reason for Nazareth to be "bumped down" to 5a
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Montini will be in 7A next year. If they make it to the 6A finals this year? They will be in 8A then in 2017.
 
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Montini is 7A next year because of 6 consecutive 5A title game appearances. I THINK if they beat PR they are 8A in '17. If they lose could be 5 or 6A again in '17? Either way definitely 7A in '16.

Naz no SF applied in '16 cause 6 then 5A in '14 '15.

SHG i think is 5A next year since didn't reach title game in '15 6A.

Laurence i think gets multiplier assessed aftet winning 2-3 games so they are probably 6A or Even 7A since all male enrollment doubled then multiplied 1.65 unlike now.

LWW im assuming is 6A with LWN closing
 
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I believe the rule is: move up one class if in finals game for 2 out of 4 previous years. Move up to two classes in 3 out of previous 4 years (stepped one class bump each year, not straight from 5a to 7a in the case of MCHS).
 
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Is there any other high school team in the United States playing up 3-4 classes for football over their true enrollment numbers?

Wassup
 
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DeanOfSelection said:
Montini is 7A next year because of 6 consecutive 5A title game appearances. I THINK if they beat PR they are 8A in '17. If they lose could be 5 or 6A again in '17? Either way definitely 7A in '16.

Naz no SF applied in '16 cause 6 then 5A in '14 '15.

SHG i think is 5A next year since didn't reach title game in '15 6A.
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I think this is wrong....

Montini is 6A next year because you stay in the bumped class for TWO years before you get bumped again. There is a lot of confusion over "policy #17" because the IHSA put out a press release when it was passed that did not conform to the policy itself.

Montini will not have won trophies in the same class (6A) for two years. That would be the requirement for them to go to class 7A.

I do think NAZ does NOT get bumped in 2016, assuming they make the final in 5A this year. They will not have appeared in two title games in the same class over the four year "look-back" period. .

SHG does not move down in 2016. They stay in 6A because they will have appeared in two title games over the four year "look-back" period and at least one of those was in the last two years.

Policy #17:

B. Success Adjustment:
A sport or activity program at a non-boundaried school shall be subject to the success adjustment if, over the course of the last four school terms, the program has won at least two trophies in the same class, one of which must have been within the last two
school years. In such a case the school will be moved up one class from the highest class in which the school has won two trophies. A school will never be adjusted up or down more than one class from one school year to the next.
 
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I only see one way that a school would get bumped up a class one year and up another class the very next year. It would have to have success that looked like this:

Play in the championship games
2012 5A
2013 6A
2014 5A
2015 6A

In 2014 the school would not be bumped because they had made the final game in two different classes. In 2015 they would get bumped to 6A because they meet all the qualifications. Two 5A trophies over the four year look-back and at least one of those in the last two years.

In 2016 the school would get bumped into 7A because they had made the final game in 6A two years in the last four, and at least one of those was in the last two years.
 
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emillika

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Ok... You're interpration and what is commonly head held by many at MCHS is vastly different. Not going to argue it.
 
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Wassup,

There are a few, but generally they do it by choice not by edict! They want to be in a class that challenges them not just win win win! That said what is being done specifically to Montini is unjustified! The IHSA has set up a policy to try to make sure the privates Lose, not make it challenging. Only problem is every punitive arrangement the IHSA has made has ended up in more Private championships. When you look at this year's playoffs 5 of 6 divisions from 3A-8A could be won by non-boundried schools.

For any of you that might say well just another Private supporting the Private...step back and think twice, I'm a Naz guy!

Wassup13 said:
Is there any other high school team in the United States playing up 3-4 classes for football over their true enrollment numbers?

Wassup
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DeanOfSelection

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bottom line 5A next year : no Montini, SHG still 6A, Laurence wont be there as multiplier will be assessed and LWW will be 6A with LW consolidation. Naz no SF applied so they could go 5A or 6A.
 
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DeanOfSelection said:
bottom line 5A next year : no Montini, SHG still 6A, Laurence wont be there as multiplier will be assessed and LWW will be 6A with LW consolidation. Naz no SF applied so they could go 5A or 6A.
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This is just the news the public schools from Central Illinois want to hear.
 
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i think we should just wait and see what iteration of the F-factor the IHSA will come up with once interpretation commences. Because you know they have no idea how to implement the quagmire they created. I figure their interpretation will penalize Montini the most, then SHG.
 
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DeanOfSelection

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I think something will happen. Maybe re-adjusting the SF so Naz would be affected for sure next year. Also , I am sure they are devising a way to get JC out of there as well. FE or a retro-active SF would do that.
 
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No need to get JCA out of there. They haven't won a title in 10 years and wont compete for one for a few years.
 
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The only adjustment will be Naz to 6A and MC to 8A. Everything else will stay the same. Right now Montini is the only school that is truly affected by the success factor. If they don't make it this year, they should definitely stay in 6A another year.
 
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Laurence should have lost on purpose round 1 so they could have still been 5A next year and been a co-fav for title.
 
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Seems like they just need something between the current multiplier and success factor. Like maybe bump up the multiplier a little bit, but loosen the automatic waiver requirements so that a single playoff win doesn't impact a school 4 years later.
 
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