Nice try, K-State

[Poster FKA schuele]

K-State's goober AD decided to fire Jerome Tang for cause, apparently because Tang had the audacity to call his team's embarrassing performance embarrassing.

I don't think K-State's argument will hold water, though the two sides will probably settle on something less than the full amount of the contract.

Tang should have done what every decent BB coach since Jack Hartman has done, and fled Manhattan for a better job while the getting was good.

 

[goldencohusker]

No dog in this fight other than it a world where most Americans are subject to at-will employment agreements, its always been foreign concept to me that as a college coach making millions, sucking at the job you were hired to do doesn't qualify as for-cause firing. The portal seems to have greatly water downed the rationale/stability that guaranteed coaching contracts were supposed to provide.

 

[Charlie Marlow]

Has that ever been seen as a ‘for cause’ action? I wouldn’t settle for a penny less if I were Tang and I don’t even like the guy.

 

[Poster FKA schuele]

No dog in this fight other than it a world where most Americans are subject to at-will employment agreements, its always been foreign concept to me that as a college coach making millions, sucking at the job you were hired to do doesn't qualify as for-cause firing. The portal seems to have greatly water downed the rationale/stability that guaranteed coaching contracts were supposed to provide.

I don't disagree with you, but that hasn't stopped ADs from handing out contracts and extensions like Halloween candy that clearly don't include sucking at your job as grounds for voiding the contract. Gene Taylor did exactly that, and now he's grasping at straws to try to avoid paying up.

 

[goldencohusker]

I don't disagree with you, but that hasn't stopped ADs from handing out contracts and extensions like Halloween candy that clearly don't include sucking at your job as grounds for voiding the contract. Gene Taylor did exactly that, and now he's grasping at straws to try to avoid paying up.

Sorry, I'm probably highjacking the thread. I'm not advocating that KSU shouldn't have to honor the contract. My point (maybe question) is the guaranteed coaching contract that every school now has to offer to attract coaches developed its roots long before the portal and NIL took over the landscape. They've been rationalized as necessary to provide stability and leverage to attract talent. Yet the portal and NIL have made a mockery of the concept of stability. For every Cignetti that has gotten rich by being successful, there's a lot more coaches out there getting rich while failing. I'm just wondering if the justification for the guaranteed contract is still there in today's landscape.

 

[orclover11]

K-State's goober AD decided to fire Jerome Tang for cause, apparently because Tang had the audacity to call his team's embarrassing performance embarrassing.

I don't think K-State's argument will hold water, though the two sides will probably settle on something less than the full amount of the contract.

Tang should have done what every decent BB coach since Jack Hartman has done, and fled Manhattan for a better job while the getting was good.

I think when you are the coach for as long as he has been, the entire roster is your decision, as are the lineups and the plays called I think when you say "these guys don't deserve to wear the uniform", "and most of them won't be next year", you are also including yourself. From the AD perspective, why would you pay a coach 16 million who is an embarrassment, who doesn't deserve to coach the team, and shouldn't be here next year? Leadership is a dichotomy, you take responsibility for the people under your leadership not doing a good job, especially when you get to choose the personnel you are in charge of teaching, coaching, and personnel engagement, while at the same time using your skill and expertise to build accountability. Accountability is a learned skill, and it isn't taught by loud mouths or bitches, it is taught by actions.

 

[orclover11]

No dog in this fight other than it a world where most Americans are subject to at-will employment agreements, its always been foreign concept to me that as a college coach making millions, sucking at the job you were hired to do doesn't qualify as for-cause firing. The portal seems to have greatly water downed the rationale/stability that guaranteed coaching contracts were supposed to provide.

Something that is always ignored is the role that Agents play in negotiations. Any coach making millions is signed to an agency with dozens of other coaches. This pool of coaches then has the leverage of the "union" of coaches in the agency. If you don't provide a large buyout or extra years, or lenient show cause agreements then none of the coaches in that agency will accept your school. A smaller, newer agency might step in with a set of cheaper, less known coaches but then you have to face a fan base that doesn't understand why you hired this nobody. The more successful a coach is, the larger the agency they join, and the more successful coaches join them in leveraging schools through agents. It seem crazy but coaches will not accept a school outside of what the agent says is acceptable. This is why Penn State ended up with a dud of a coach, and not even Rhule would entertain his dream job. Penn State was blacklisted by one of the biggest sports agencies because of their treatment of Franklin, and every coach in that agency, and possibly other large ones literally couldn't consider the job without "breaking from the union". This is why we see so many stupid contracts, with no accountability from coaches...the contracts all go through agents, not the coaches. Cignetti was basically off-limts to many schools because he wasn't in one of these agencies, leaving him available to Indiana who didn't have to worry about alienating top coaches, because no top coaches wanted them anyway.

 

[4.6.3]

If we didn’t go after Frost for literally not showing up to practices, nobody will be able to use for cause. I’d have been more than happy to get down in the mud with him if I was in charge. POS quit 2 years before he was finally fired. Everyone knew it, and did nothing besides make excuses.

 

[Poster FKA schuele]

I think when you are the coach for as long as he has been, the entire roster is your decision, as are the lineups and the plays called I think when you say "these guys don't deserve to wear the uniform", "and most of them won't be next year", you are also including yourself. From the AD perspective, why would you pay a coach 16 million who is an embarrassment, who doesn't deserve to coach the team, and shouldn't be here next year? Leadership is a dichotomy, you take responsibility for the people under your leadership not doing a good job, especially when you get to choose the personnel you are in charge of teaching, coaching, and personnel engagement, while at the same time using your skill and expertise to build accountability. Accountability is a learned skill, and it isn't taught by loud mouths or bitches, it is taught by actions.

So who's going to hold the AD accountable for giving Tang a pricy contract extension? If universities don't want to pay expensive buyouts, don't agree to them in the first place.

This is so typical of today's college sports environment. The moment a coach puts up a good season - which is presumably what he was hired to do - the AD gets a huge boner and can't wait to celebrate with a contract extension. And now he wants to worm his way out of the contract over comments at a press conference that happen on a regular basis.

 

[TheRealPeliniTheCrutch]

I wish my last name was Tang.

 

[mgbreeze]

I wish my last name was Tang.

I guess you could change your user name to TheRealTang.

 

[Spectrumalaska]

I wish my last name was Tang.

With an Asian wife named Poon?

 

[SuperBigFan69]

I know our residents "Contracts are air tight" posters will think that Tang is not going to get his money...but he is going to get his money.

 

[SuperBigFan69]

So who's going to hold the AD accountable for giving Tang a pricy contract extension? If universities don't want to pay expensive buyouts, don't agree to them in the first place.

This is so typical of today's college sports environment. The moment a coach puts up a good season - which is presumably what he was hired to do - the AD gets a huge boner and can't wait to celebrate with a contract extension. And now he wants to worm his way out of the contract over comments at a press conference that happen on a regular basis.

Yep!

 

[Nuts McClanahan]

No dog in this fight other than it a world where most Americans are subject to at-will employment agreements, its always been foreign concept to me that as a college coach making millions, sucking at the job you were hired to do doesn't qualify as for-cause firing. The portal seems to have greatly water downed the rationale/stability that guaranteed coaching contracts were supposed to provide.

That's why coaches sign contracts. They want some stability. In my opinion, it's possible to do well at your job and still have a losing record. Few other professions have regular public contests where 50% are "losers".

 

[SuperBigFan69]

The KSU AD told him he could finish the season and then resign! HA

Now he is firing him and doesn't want to pay him!

 

[Poster FKA schuele]

The KSU AD told him he could finish the season and then resign! HA

Now he is firing him and doesn't want to pay him!

From the Wichita Eagle:

Taylor had praised Tang at seemingly every opportunity during his first three years with the Wildcats. Just a few months ago, he bragged about hiring a great first-time head coach in Tang before he hired Collin Klein to lead the football team. Tang spent nearly four seasons in charge of the K-State men’s basketball team.

He had an overall record of 71-57. He was hired to replace Bruce Weber in 2022 and found immediate success in Year 1. He led the Wildcats to 26 victories and a trip to the Elite Eight that season. The Wildcats rewarded Tang with a pair of contract extensions early in his tenure, which raised his current salary to $3.6 million and buyout to $18.7 million. The latter figure will be in dispute with Tang’s firing for cause.

The K-State program declined every year under Tang. It won 19 games in Year 2, 16 games in Year 3 and currently sits at 10 wins in Year 4. The Wildcats are about to miss the NCAA Tournament for the third straight season.

“The last couple of years,” Taylor said, “we just haven’t been doing what we expected to be doing after the Elite Eight. So I kind of go through that in my brain. I thought this year we started out really well. But the last couple of years haven’t gone where I thought we should have been going.”

And that's why Tang is being fired - because the team's performance didn't live up to what Taylor thought he would get when he blowharded about what a great hire Tang was and gave him two contract extensions. Can't un-ring the bell now, dimwit.

 

[SuperBigFan69]

 

[SuperBigFan69]

He couldn't talk on the phone, or facetime or zoom?
My god, how do some people get the positions they have in life?

 

[Poster FKA schuele]

He couldn't talk on the phone, or facetime or zoom?
My god, how do some people get the positions they have in life?

Yeah Taylor looks like a total goober, claiming Tang's press conference was so toxic that he HAD to be fired... just as soon as ol' Gene could get around to it.

Tang's attorney looking at an easy payday here.

 

[SuperBigFan69]

Yeah Taylor looks like a total goober, claiming Tang's press conference was so toxic that he HAD to be fired... just as soon as ol' Gene could get around to it.

Tang's attorney looking at an easy payday here.

Lionel Hutz could win this case.

 

[Bigred2467]

From the Wichita Eagle:

Taylor had praised Tang at seemingly every opportunity during his first three years with the Wildcats. Just a few months ago, he bragged about hiring a great first-time head coach in Tang before he hired Collin Klein to lead the football team. Tang spent nearly four seasons in charge of the K-State men’s basketball team.

He had an overall record of 71-57. He was hired to replace Bruce Weber in 2022 and found immediate success in Year 1. He led the Wildcats to 26 victories and a trip to the Elite Eight that season. The Wildcats rewarded Tang with a pair of contract extensions early in his tenure, which raised his current salary to $3.6 million and buyout to $18.7 million. The latter figure will be in dispute with Tang’s firing for cause.

The K-State program declined every year under Tang. It won 19 games in Year 2, 16 games in Year 3 and currently sits at 10 wins in Year 4. The Wildcats are about to miss the NCAA Tournament for the third straight season.

“The last couple of years,” Taylor said, “we just haven’t been doing what we expected to be doing after the Elite Eight. So I kind of go through that in my brain. I thought this year we started out really well. But the last couple of years haven’t gone where I thought we should have been going.”

And that's why Tang is being fired - because the team's performance didn't live up to what Taylor thought he would get when he blowharded about what a great hire Tang was and gave him two contract extensions. Can't un-ring the bell now, dimwit.

Future Nebraska AD?