Brown needs both an offensive coordinater, and as most know, working by committee is not what is needed on Defense. Seems the announcers were pointing out certain weaknesses and sure enough OSU would take advantage of it. I believe D is solid, just needs someone to put them in right position. Brown too conservative. OSU too strong a defense for .Brown’s play calling, especially when they were teeing off on our QB. The unsportsmanlike penalty on Brown was BS and spoiled a promising drive. Most others were part of the game that we have come to expect from WVU
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Parker is currently the OC. Brown was giving that up this year. As far as DC kind of hard to hire one right before the season begins.
Casteel(?) would be better than what was shown yesterday and I don’t know much about Parker but his play calling looked similar to BrowN’s.
Please no more Casteel curtain. I have seen spider webs that could stop or slow people down better. The subbing on 3rd down only to make every qb look like John Elway in the 2 min drill was more than I could take..
My hope is we go back to a 4 man front. Steve Dunlap could run a 4-3 better over Skype with a dial up connection than the 3-3-5.
That 3-3-5 makes qbs & wrs all look like nfl 1st rounders. Calvin Johnson just scored again on both Mims and Brown. The gator bowl school is 38-42.. Jeff Brohom has just been offered another tryout after old footage surfaced. Dan Orlasky out of UConn looked good against it. But then again everyone looked Good vs the 3-3-5.
My hope is we go back to a 4 man front. Steve Dunlap could run a 4-3 better over Skype with a dial up connection than the 3-3-5.
That 3-3-5 makes qbs & wrs all look like nfl 1st rounders. Calvin Johnson just scored again on both Mims and Brown. The gator bowl school is 38-42.. Jeff Brohom has just been offered another tryout after old footage surfaced. Dan Orlasky out of UConn looked good against it. But then again everyone looked Good vs the 3-3-5.
The Defense only gave up 20 points, it would have been 17 or less if the offense executed. Ill take that ANY SATURDAY!
Even if Dabo & Staff was there, it would take 5 years to see significant improvements. We have a very young team, and DH did not leave much. One of Browns first comments/observations of this team was how little D1 OL talent we had on the team. The fact Z Frazier is starting as a true freshmen, tells us Brown is getting a higher caliber player. You just have to give them time to develop & gain game-time experience, which takes a few YEARS.
While we totally beat ourselves yesterday, most of what I saw is correctable, and you know Brown will be on their *** to get it resolved this week. EKU was not a good enough opponent to get them acclimated to the strain required to finish plays vs D1 level talent... Strain & physicality, or mentality could improve, but I think that will as Brown gets more of his own recruits in-house...
You have to be Patient, personally I wont seriously criticize Brown & Staff until the 2020 class are Juniors, as long as subtle improvements are being made, when the majority of the team are Brown recruits.. Currently, hes playing with cards dealt, for the most part.
I would like to see more diverse blocking schemes, such as Zone Stretch, which uses directional momentum & space to create RB lanes, not requiring Brute Pushback strength. I do think Brown could increase offensive creativity, but he may be limited to player functionality at this point. I also think Garrett Greene will take the starting job at some point, before Doege exhaust eligibility. Not this year, but maybe next year, or the year after. Which would actually give us higher upside for Greenes Junior & Senior years, and given his mobility would open up the offensive concepts a bit... That said, its critical OL recruiting take precedence or nothing else matters.. So far, Brown has been recruiting quality OL, so lets be patient, and we'll be rewarded for it!
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2nd 4 star RB for 2021! Ill reiterate......#PATIENCE
Even if Dabo & Staff was there, it would take 5 years to see significant improvements. We have a very young team, and DH did not leave much. One of Browns first comments/observations of this team was how little D1 OL talent we had on the team. The fact Z Frazier is starting as a true freshmen, tells us Brown is getting a higher caliber player. You just have to give them time to develop & gain game-time experience, which takes a few YEARS.
While we totally beat ourselves yesterday, most of what I saw is correctable, and you know Brown will be on their *** to get it resolved this week. EKU was not a good enough opponent to get them acclimated to the strain required to finish plays vs D1 level talent... Strain & physicality, or mentality could improve, but I think that will as Brown gets more of his own recruits in-house...
You have to be Patient, personally I wont seriously criticize Brown & Staff until the 2020 class are Juniors, as long as subtle improvements are being made, when the majority of the team are Brown recruits.. Currently, hes playing with cards dealt, for the most part.
I would like to see more diverse blocking schemes, such as Zone Stretch, which uses directional momentum & space to create RB lanes, not requiring Brute Pushback strength. I do think Brown could increase offensive creativity, but he may be limited to player functionality at this point. I also think Garrett Greene will take the starting job at some point, before Doege exhaust eligibility. Not this year, but maybe next year, or the year after. Which would actually give us higher upside for Greenes Junior & Senior years, and given his mobility would open up the offensive concepts a bit... That said, its critical OL recruiting take precedence or nothing else matters.. So far, Brown has been recruiting quality OL, so lets be patient, and we'll be rewarded for it!
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2nd 4 star RB for 2021! Ill reiterate......#PATIENCE
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O Line is one of the hardest positions to develop and NB stated as you pointed out that he was surprised at how thin we were at the postion. It will get better as the year goes on but it will probably be a year or 2 until he has that Oline to where he wants it. One thing that gets overlooked is we are running the ball better than we did last season. The pass blocking leaves alot to be desired but okie Lites defense will probably be the best we will see all year.
Time for you start talking about football or wvu sports considering this is a sports forum. You need to stfu all you do is complain about everything.
Time for you to go back to the basement. Know one cares what you are talking about. And...I guess I hit a nerve TVZ/JV. Too funny.
I think you should apply. You're such an expert at it you could probably handle the DC the OC and the HC jobs.
Casteel was coaching on the defense. Hmmmmm...might explain why only 3 guys were rushing all game.
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This post sounds identical to TVZ. Amazing. It's like they're the same person.
You can't post reason or logic with trolls. It goes over their head. If WVU had won they wouldn't even be here.
Damn straight! We are negotiating and looks as if l might get both jobs, especially wIth your recommendation. Thanks for your support.
I've gotten you banned before and I could do it again. Hows that for leading and following?
Sure Townes. How about that Trump guy? You gonna be able to handle 4 more years, Chrissy or will you need to double up on safe spaces?
You have the same thought as I do that Casteel is the behind the curtain real DC.
Agree 100%. Brown is not an offensive minded coach. And his defense is adequate but not great.
WVU needs the offensive output Holgorsen was able to bring to the table, but to win those big games will need a top notch D coordinator. They'll have to find a great offensive coordinator to get these Brown teams out of the rut of low level G5 play they seem stuck in.
Trying to play Troy ball because it won a game or two, or came close against unsuspecting SEC teams or ACC teams is not going to win a season of games in the BIG 12. In major college ball you have to score points and play defense, not just try to hold down the score.
I can be anybody you want me to be. I hope you never meet the pied piper it won't end well for you.
Neal's so called bad offense according to Buckybuck.
Troy 2015 - 27.08 avg
Troy 2016 - 32.9 avg
Troy 2017 - 32.3 avg
Troy 2018 - 30.6 avg
Lost by 6 to suspect ACC team / national champion Clemson in 2016 by 6 points 30-24.
Perhaps your boyfriend Dana should have left a few players like the ones Dana was gifted when he began coaching at WVU. If not for Dana destroying the recruiting areas of WVU and shunning all the best players in the state WV he himself might be a better coach. Dana was a .500 coach. I want better. Neal Brown will deliver better or he will eventually be gone. My prediction is they give him 4 years. So I suggest you become a fan of another team until then. Hopefully forever.
I set in section 125 and on every 3rd down with Casteel as the D coordinator for 3 HCs we would sub after holding them somewhat on 1st & 2nd downs. The joke was not would the opponent pick up a 1st down barring a dropped pass or tripping over their own ft, the question was how many defenders would be back squatting 5 yds behind the 1st down marker ready to make the tackle after the opponent crossed it? This Mon County judge who set 1 row behind me called it the “3rd down Casteel Sub and Squat”. The joke replaced “Well it’s 3rd & Perlo” from the later Nehlen years.
The worst part with Casteel was he generally only rushed 3 on 3rd down occasionally 4, but never a full out blitz.
If you don't believe the road to a NC goes thru both the OL and DL we need not have a conversation. It all starts up front on both sides of the line.
First, we have the horses on the DL to put up a 4 man front most of the game. That will put pressure on the QB and not give him time to pick us apart. Going up against the best QB's in the B12 like OU and UT without pressure they will pick us apart no matter how good we cover. They will put up easily 40+ if we use the base 3 man rush. A Casteel led D is not going to beat the best teams outside of the B12.
OL is a different story. We just don't have the horses. Not enough in numbers and not enough in quality. I've been beating this drum since RR came on board and stripped the Dandy Don OL down from the big guys that could push you off the line and secure the back side so the QB's can have time to make their reads. Our OL's went down in numbers, quality and strength to fuel a different type of OL. That line was exposed by a weak Pitt team.
During the RR years we were down to as low as 11 OL on schollie.... maybe lower IIRC ...... I did a deep dive into how many schollie OL most of the top P5 schools kept on their roster. For the most part it was a low of 15 to high of 21 schollie OL then bolstered by a handfull of walk ons. Posting those numbers on another site I was criticized saying there was no way we needed that many. We are at 15 schollies as of today. Add 4 walk ons. Of those 15, 7 are FR/RFR. 4 are RSO's. Even if you add 5 more in this current recruiting class we will still be young losing 2 starting SR's. Yeh, I know, those 2 have another year, that's irrelevant to the total numbers over the years. Especially when we always ... always ..... always lose a couple kids to the portal or just leaving the program. This program needs to get to the 18+ number with more upperclassmen on the OL. Right now we have 4 JR/SR OL and 3 are JC transfers. So, that tells you how many underclassmen OL leave the program before getting to a point that they can fully develop as JR's and SR's.
First, we have the horses on the DL to put up a 4 man front most of the game. That will put pressure on the QB and not give him time to pick us apart. Going up against the best QB's in the B12 like OU and UT without pressure they will pick us apart no matter how good we cover. They will put up easily 40+ if we use the base 3 man rush. A Casteel led D is not going to beat the best teams outside of the B12.
OL is a different story. We just don't have the horses. Not enough in numbers and not enough in quality. I've been beating this drum since RR came on board and stripped the Dandy Don OL down from the big guys that could push you off the line and secure the back side so the QB's can have time to make their reads. Our OL's went down in numbers, quality and strength to fuel a different type of OL. That line was exposed by a weak Pitt team.
During the RR years we were down to as low as 11 OL on schollie.... maybe lower IIRC ...... I did a deep dive into how many schollie OL most of the top P5 schools kept on their roster. For the most part it was a low of 15 to high of 21 schollie OL then bolstered by a handfull of walk ons. Posting those numbers on another site I was criticized saying there was no way we needed that many. We are at 15 schollies as of today. Add 4 walk ons. Of those 15, 7 are FR/RFR. 4 are RSO's. Even if you add 5 more in this current recruiting class we will still be young losing 2 starting SR's. Yeh, I know, those 2 have another year, that's irrelevant to the total numbers over the years. Especially when we always ... always ..... always lose a couple kids to the portal or just leaving the program. This program needs to get to the 18+ number with more upperclassmen on the OL. Right now we have 4 JR/SR OL and 3 are JC transfers. So, that tells you how many underclassmen OL leave the program before getting to a point that they can fully develop as JR's and SR's.
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Good analysis, Butler. I would add that having blue-chip defensive linemen separates the elite college football programs from the rest of the pack, as there aren't many of these guys, and most of them play high school football in the South. Clemson, Alabama and some of the other SEC schools always have these guys. Ohio State has a great D-Line coach in Larry Johnson, Sr., and because of his stellar reputation, it has been able to reel in some five-star D-Linemen, including the Bosa brothers and Chase Young, each of whom has been the first defensive player selected in the NFL Draft in the last three years.
DL coming straight out of HS are usually more ready to play, more developed than OL. 4* / 5* DL IMO have more of an immediate impact because they don't have to rely as much on developing technique as they do on sheer athletic ability.
OL, IMO, is different. These 4*/5* kids still need to develop the proper footwork, hand positions, run and pass blocking techniques and that usually takes a few years. Now, there are exceptions. This is the reason I feel that most teams need significant numbers of upper classmen on the OL.
tOSU, you are right. yes, there is a difference between teams signing mainly 3* recruits and those landing most of the 4*/5* recruits. The latter are generally the top 15 teams.
OL, IMO, is different. These 4*/5* kids still need to develop the proper footwork, hand positions, run and pass blocking techniques and that usually takes a few years. Now, there are exceptions. This is the reason I feel that most teams need significant numbers of upper classmen on the OL.
tOSU, you are right. yes, there is a difference between teams signing mainly 3* recruits and those landing most of the 4*/5* recruits. The latter are generally the top 15 teams.
Being that this is a WVU board, and Neal Brown coaches WVU now, not sure why some people are trying to discuss what Neal Brown did against G5 competition and a couple of P5s during his time there at his previous stop.
Has nothing to do with WVU.
In 2018, under Dana Holgorsen, WVU put up 483 points.
In 2019, under Neal Brown WVU only managed 247 points.
This year, WVU managed fewer pts than did Marshall against EKU, and scored the same amount of touchdowns vs. OK State as TULSA (and gave up 11 more points than TULSA did).
Holgorsen's worst offense at WVU put up 316 points--and that was in the dreadful 4-8 season.
This spell's trouble for WVU. If they don't get the offense going the defense isn't built to hold the opponents down--usually score more than 20 against Brown's teams while at WVU. In fact Brown's defenses only held opponents under 17 pts. three times since he started here (and that might sound good until you realize WVU only put up over 17 points 6 times last season and couldn't manage 17 pts against Ok State this year.
Has nothing to do with WVU.
In 2018, under Dana Holgorsen, WVU put up 483 points.
In 2019, under Neal Brown WVU only managed 247 points.
This year, WVU managed fewer pts than did Marshall against EKU, and scored the same amount of touchdowns vs. OK State as TULSA (and gave up 11 more points than TULSA did).
Holgorsen's worst offense at WVU put up 316 points--and that was in the dreadful 4-8 season.
This spell's trouble for WVU. If they don't get the offense going the defense isn't built to hold the opponents down--usually score more than 20 against Brown's teams while at WVU. In fact Brown's defenses only held opponents under 17 pts. three times since he started here (and that might sound good until you realize WVU only put up over 17 points 6 times last season and couldn't manage 17 pts against Ok State this year.
Brown 3 good not great seasons at Troy.
16: Losses to Arkansas State and Georgia Southern
17: Loss to South Alabama
18: Loss to Liberty
How could we be so foolish to not completely trust this hire? He's proven he's a top notch coach by all the Conference Championships. We were lucky to get him before another mid tier P5 team did.
Or I could just say whoever thinks Brown is a better coach is his boyfriend. That what mental midgets do when they get backed into a corner.
16: Losses to Arkansas State and Georgia Southern
17: Loss to South Alabama
18: Loss to Liberty
How could we be so foolish to not completely trust this hire? He's proven he's a top notch coach by all the Conference Championships. We were lucky to get him before another mid tier P5 team did.
Or I could just say whoever thinks Brown is a better coach is his boyfriend. That what mental midgets do when they get backed into a corner.