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No Environmental Impact Study? No Border Wall, Lawsuit Says

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The suit appears to be the first legal action against the wall, but it is only one of the many challenges the project faces, including who will pay for it and what form it will take.

An estimate by the Department of Homeland Security put the cost at nearly $22 billion. Mr. Trump’s budget sets aside $1.4 billion for the wall’s initial development. Included in the proposals turned in to the federal government last week were a wall of solar panels and another topped by a monorail.

“Trump can fantasize about the wall, but at the end of the day, it’s Congress that appropriates the money, and it behooves Congress to want an independent analysis to look at all the consequences before we throw money down a rabbit hole,” said Mr. Grijalva, a Democrat from Tucson


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moe said:
The suit appears to be the first legal action against the wall, but it is only one of the many challenges the project faces, including who will pay for it and what form it will take.

An estimate by the Department of Homeland Security put the cost at nearly $22 billion. Mr. Trump’s budget sets aside $1.4 billion for the wall’s initial development. Included in the proposals turned in to the federal government last week were a wall of solar panels and another topped by a monorail.

“Trump can fantasize about the wall, but at the end of the day, it’s Congress that appropriates the money, and it behooves Congress to want an independent analysis to look at all the consequences before we throw money down a rabbit hole,” said Mr. Grijalva, a Democrat from Tucson


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So I wonder how this will turn out...

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TarHeelEer said:
So I wonder how this will turn out...

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Libs last, desperate ploy to stop the wall. They want open borders. They want gangs and drugs streaming across the border. I don't think they mind if some terrorists come across the border if it means keeping the border open. After all, you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. They want illegals voting in as large a number as possible. They want cheap labor to work for slave like wages to save themselves money. They could care less about the risks to the people coming to the border. The mass rapes by the coyotes. Those dying in the desert for lack of food and water. And they are the compassionate ones. They could care less about the lives lost in all these manners especially those that die due to illegal alien violence, drug abuse and at the hands of the coyotes.
 
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WVPATX said:
Libs last, desperate ploy to stop the wall. They want open borders. They want gangs and drugs streaming across the border. I don't think they mind if some terrorists come across the border if it means keeping the border open. After all, you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. They want illegals voting in as large a number as possible. They want cheap labor to work for slave like wages to save themselves money. They could care less about the risks to the people coming to the border. The mass rapes by the coyotes. Those dying in the desert for lack of food and water. And they are the compassionate ones. They could care less about the lives lost in all these manners especially those that die due to illegal alien violence, drug abuse and at the hands of the coyotes.
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moe said:
The suit appears to be the first legal action against the wall, but it is only one of the many challenges the project faces, including who will pay for it and what form it will take.
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Have you not been paying attention?
Mexico is going to pay for it.
It is going to be the biggest and best and most beautiful wall you've ever seen
 
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WVPATX said:
Libs have been strategizing for ways to stop the wall. The answer, lawsuits. Tying up the construction in courts for hopefully years. It is no secret.
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Just helping Trump and those closer to the action to do the right thing.
 
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moe said:
Just helping Trump and those closer to the action to do the right thing.
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The right thing is to seal the border. Stop the drug flow. Stop the gang member flow. Stop the illegal aliens crossing the border at great risk. Then, and only then, can we begin to deal with the 11 million in the country that are law abiding.
 
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WVPATX said:
The right thing is to seal the border. Stop the drug flow. Stop the gang member flow. Stop the illegal aliens crossing the border at great risk. Then, and only then, can we begin to deal with the 11 million in the country that are law abiding.
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See you in court.
 
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See you in court.
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Like I said, and you reinforced my point, libs desperately want open borders and will stop at nothing to keep them open. To heck with all the destruction caused by these actions. Votes are everything.
 
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WVPATX said:
The right thing is to seal the border. Stop the drug flow. Stop the gang member flow. Stop the illegal aliens crossing the border at great risk. Then, and only then, can we begin to deal with the 11 million in the country that are law abiding.
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The "right thing" is that all borders are honored. Since people do not respect the borders, the next thing is the creation of restraints. Most effective among them would possibly be snipers. Liberals would think that to be too extreme. So, a physical barrier has to be considered.
 
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mneilmont said:
The "right thing" is that all borders are honored. Since people do not respect the borders, the next thing is the creation of restraints. Most effective among them would possibly be snipers. Liberals would think that to be too extreme. So, a physical barrier has to be considered.
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I think a physical barrier where necessary supported by electronic surveillance, including drones, and backed up by a much larger border control force. The barrier built in Israel has completely stopped the attacks, so barriers work.
 
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The barrier built in Israel has completely stopped the attacks, so barriers work.
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Really?

 
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countryroads89 said:
Really?

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Let's look at a few facts:

Suicide bombings have decreased since the construction of the barrier.[7][45] Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, Hamas, and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad have been less able to conduct attacks in Israel, which have decreased in areas where the barrier has been completed.[46][47]

The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Israel Security Agency report that in 2002, there were 452 fatalities from terrorist attacks. Before the completion of the first continuous segment (July 2003) from the beginning of the Second Intifada, 73 Palestinian suicide bombings were carried out from the West Bank, killing 293 Israelis and injuring over 1,900. After the completion of the first continuous segment through the end of 2006, there were only 12 attacks based in the West Bank, killing 64 people and wounding 445.[6] Terrorist attacks declined in 2007[6]and 2008[48] to 9 in 2010.[49]

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs predicts that completion of the barrier will continue to prevent terrorist attacks[50]since "[a]n absolute halt in terrorist activities has been noticed in the West Bank areas where the fence has been constructed."[46]

Israeli officials (including the head of the Shin Bet) quoted in the newspaper Maariv have said that in the areas where the barrier was complete, the number of hostile infiltrations has decreased to almost zero. Maariv also stated that Palestinian militants, including a senior member of Islamic Jihad, had confirmed that the barrier made it much harder to conduct attacks inside Israel. Since the completion of the fence in the area of Tulkarm and Qalqilyah in June 2003, there have been no successful attacks from those areas. All attacks were intercepted or the suicide bombers detonated prematurely.[51] In a March 23, 2008 interview, Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader Ramadan Shalah complained to the Qatari newspaper Al-Sharq that the separation barrier "limits the ability of the resistance to arrive deep within [Israeli territory] to carry out suicide bombing attacks, but the resistance has not surrendered or become helpless, and is looking for other ways to cope with the requirements of every stage" of the intifada.[52]

Other factors are also cited as causes for the decline. According to Haaretz, a 2006 report by the Shin Beit concluded that "[t]he fence does make it harder for them [terrorists]" but that attacks in 2005 decreased due to increased pursuing of Palestinian militants by the Israeli army and intelligence organizations, Hamas's increased political activity, and a truce among Palestinian militant groups in the Palestinian Territories. Haaretz reported, "[t]he security fence is no longer mentioned as the major factor in preventing suicide bombings, mainly because the terrorists have found ways to bypass it."[53] Former Israeli Secretary of Defence Moshe Arens says that the reduction in Palestinian violence is largely due to the IDF's entry into the West Bank in 2002.[54]
 
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WVPATX said:
The barrier built in Israel has completely stopped the attacks, so barriers work.
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At least you corrected this nonsense with your subsequent post as painful as that must have been.
 
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moe said:
At least you corrected this nonsense with your subsequent post as painful as that must have been.
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Yeah, very serious correction:

Israeli officials (including the head of the Shin Bet) quoted in the newspaper Maariv have said that in the areas where the barrier was complete, the number of hostile infiltrations has decreased to almost zero. Maariv also stated that Palestinian militants, including a senior member of Islamic Jihad, had confirmed that the barrier made it much harder to conduct attacks inside Israel.
 
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wvu2007 said:
You look stupid again. How many times will you be wrong? It must suck to be so unsuccessful as yourself.
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I have rarely seen a poster be more wrong more often. Although country gives him a good run for his money.
 
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