You have to go back farther than that Andrew Jackson father of the democratic party republican party Horace greeley John Fremont Abe Lincoln republican party democrats enslaved people Republicans freed people
No Kneeling for you! With a poll.
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This dudes who are so PRO-USA PRO-OUR GOVERNMENT make me leery. Anyone who loves goverment that much isn't very american, lol. The irony.
I stand in respect to our country and our veterans, those that made it back from the wars, but especially for those that didn't. F++k U to those who don't stand, your WOKENESS makes this 75 year old man want to puke. There are some things that are bigger than ourselves and respect for God and country is paramount.
And one of those rights is to not stand or kneel if that's what you want to do. If that's what someone choose to do, it's not that big of a deal.
Lol so false. Lincoln's republican party is when the big government centralization started. Republicans didn't free anything. The north went to war for the union, slavery was just a byproduct of that. Lincoln wrote the EP (which freed zero slaves btw) to scare off Britian and France from supporting the confederacy, by painting the war as a slavery vs freedom war. Before late 1862 it was very much a war to preserve the Union. Neither side gave a damn about the slaves.
Any person not willing to stand for the flag or fight for their country should probably find another country. I would encourage all you young fellas to go read George Orwell’s Animal Farm. It is exactly what is happening to this country. You are being led like blind sheep into Communism. Disrespect the flag, disrespect the anthem, destroy the 1st and 2nd amendments, pack the Supreme Court with socialist and American becomes Cuba. If the 18-40 year olds don’t wake up soon it will be over.
Not standing for the anthem is like spitting on your parents grave.
Go BIg. I love my freedom of speech and right to bear arms.
Also Mitch please fire Cal and save UK basketball.
Not standing for the anthem is like spitting on your parents grave.
Go BIg. I love my freedom of speech and right to bear arms.
Also Mitch please fire Cal and save UK basketball.
The Republican Party no longer exists my friend, it’s the MAGA Party now. So yeah, I’ll be voting for the team not seeking to overthrow the government and install a theocratic dictatorship.
I served this country. It’s McCarthyists like yourself who are what’s wrong with this country.
Be honest. You don't care about the veterans. You'd tell all these guys they just need to pull themselves up by their boot straps. Lol at boomers who want to tell anyone who doesn't want to fight in another CIA fueled war. That they need to go find another country. People will fight for their country, but they're done fighting in wars like Iraq, Vietnam, and Korea. And fighting for the CIA and NSA.
Something tells me you also called anyone against the Iraq war traitors.
Obviously you haven’t read the book I referenced. Read it before you judge.
This is the most patriotic approach. Country is about freedom, so do what you want.
Don't believe me if you wish but it certainly happened. Was the famous UK v UF game where Cal told us to stand the last what 11 minutes or something and we had a big comeback win.
Look, I do stand, and I wasn't being disrespectful at all, I was just in a rush to get to my seat and it had already started, so rather than finish what I was doing I scrambled to turn around and stand up as to not be disrespectful. I had just forgotten I had a hat on due to the hustle and bustle.
Personally, I don't mind standing and whatever traditions come with it, I just find it ridiculous how strongly others care and many would agree it should be compulsory.
LOL at that guy's post.
Stand up, show respect, and be an adult for two minutes. It’s not that big of a deal.
Then 3 sentences later
Having said that, I don’t support compulsory participation
Not contradictory, chief. Change out the national anthem as the subject for throwing trash away. Show respect, be an adult and do it. Doesn’t mean I support rounding people up for being a POS and littering.
Then why do you assume it means disrespect toward military folks and take such offense to it? Goes both ways.
Never said that it means disrespect toward military folks. I think it’s ungrateful (in general) and indicative of lack of historical knowledge to recognize how good we’ve got it here.
If you truly supported that, you wouldn't be trying to say that standing is '' showing respect'' or ''being an adult''. Compulsory means
- Obligatory; due to or arising from compulsion; enforced or enforceable; not left to choice.
- Done under compulsion; resulting from compulsion.
You saying that; can be taken as standing is being socially obligatory. Which is compulsory participation.
I get it for certain events like national championship games, Super Bowls, etc. Major sporting events where the world tunes in, then it's a nice display of pride. But at little Billy's T-Ball game, it's a little weird to be sure.
And caused MORE disruption and distraction then you not removing your hat. Gotta love the mental gymnastics.
Right? It wasn't even intentional, song started as I was setting some things down so I quickly stood and turned around, ironically to not be disrespectful...
These same guys in the 1770s
''Stand for the crown and king. Anyone not doing this is a damn tax-dodger and is what's wrong with these colonies''.
I think you’re lacking on the libertarian nuance you claim to espouse.
The first part of my post is a recommendation and encouragement. I’m not going to go around and yell at people to stand up. I’ve said twice now they have a right not to stand and should not be forced to do so.
We Muricans have never been a mindful lot.
"We just won our independence and bet the Crown."
"What next?"
"Hmmm.......hey Mr. Washington. Wanna be King?"
*facepalm*
You said you don't support compulsory participation. Just pointing out your words show you do.
Sure. Like I said, there are plenty of people that have never seen third world poverty and truly oppressive governments.
Well tbf, some of the colonists were loyal to the crown and just came off living under a king. They hadn't lived under any other form of government. So it's not far fetched to hear some tories say that, lol.
It needs go no further than this post.
The thing we stand for is to respect those who fought for everyone’s right to sit or stand or do anything.
If others don’t want to stand, I don’t respect that decision at all and don’t like it but it’s their choice. You want to be Iran?Start forcing people to do whatever you say and forced nationalism.
I think if we were doing better as a country societally this wouldn’t be an issue.
These people should be educated on the fact we’re standing in honor of the soldiers, not the president, or congress or anything else.
But even with that being true, as my granddaddy told me and I’ll always follow, “you don’t have to respect the man, but you do have to respect the rank.”
Another way to look at it, our government has let us down with the ideals and vision it was founded with. Just because there is worse out there doesn't mean we should settle.
Compulsory’s primary definition, per Google, means required or forced by law. I cannot repeat it anymore clearly that I already have that I do not think that is right or constitutional. If you want to go pull another definition from somewhere else that gives your posts a crack of legitimacy, then fine, have at it. At this point, you’re just arguing for the sake of it.
100% agree. Like I said in my first post - I love our country. I hate our government.
No thanks. Why? Because I didn’t say anything about that. There is nothing contradictory in my post.
Good Lord, you’re exhausting. Good night.
Lol. You don't support it being forced by law or force. But you support it via social obligation by saying it shows respect and being an adult. Just say that then.
Then I'm confused about your staunch objections. Maybe you wouldn't choose to protest in that way, but if others do it seems like you could look past the outrage of disrespect and find some common ground in the overall sentiment.
I did say that, dipshit. Welcome back to the starting point. Let’s not go on the ride again.
Ooook.. I usually don't engage, but I have to.
Like it or not, they are or were the President of the United States. You cant pick and choose when to respect the Office. And yes, I call out the people that overly disrespect Trump. (noticed I capitalized it for two reaosns 1) he's a human being with a proper name and 2) he was President of the Untied States_
Do you only like democracy when it works in your favor?
Because I don’t view showing respect for the anthem as the same thing as fidelity to our politicians or bureaucrats.
Again country =/= government.
Yes in fact, they do only like it when it is in line with their exact line of thinking. At least the top few lines.
No one these days seems to be able to cope with the fact other's may have opposing viewpoints and that being OK.