No one talking about the UHC CEO murder?
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About 95% of what I've seen today is about the insurance CEO's death today, why don't they talk about the people who died today because the insurance denied coverage?
This guy is probably responsible for more deaths than 9/11, so I'll hold my tongue before I say something that'll get me banned.
The general response to this is eye opening for me. I've seen many people that would normally vehemently disagree with one another agree on this.
Feels like a turning point.
Feels like a turning point.
It was a shooting so we can do thoughts and prayers and roll on.
It's got to be a disgruntled employee or someone who was denied coverage. Dealing with insurance companies as we all know can be a giant pain in the @$$.
Now have insurance companies contributed to the deaths of people due to lack of coverage or wouldn't cover certain procedures due to whatever the company rules and guidelines are? Probably yes.
But this man had wife and two children and I'm sure they're grieving terribly. Yes financially they will be more than fine going forward. I'd be willing to bet they'd trade it all to have Brian back.
Now have insurance companies contributed to the deaths of people due to lack of coverage or wouldn't cover certain procedures due to whatever the company rules and guidelines are? Probably yes.
But this man had wife and two children and I'm sure they're grieving terribly. Yes financially they will be more than fine going forward. I'd be willing to bet they'd trade it all to have Brian back.
Well apparently a 400 lb Tonya Harding got denied a gastric bypass from United Healthcare.
Thoughts and prayers.
Next….
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Anthem planned to roll out a strict policy on anesthesia. They would allot the amount you got before surgery and you just had to hope and pray that there wasn’t any complications along the way.
They did an about face on this policy after this assassination. You don’t want anyone to die, but these policies kill people. More government officials and corporations should be forced to rethink laws and policies.
They did an about face on this policy after this assassination. You don’t want anyone to die, but these policies kill people. More government officials and corporations should be forced to rethink laws and policies.
Well, I happen to have an Anthem policy which is supposed to be a transition plan between end of Cobra benefits and Medicare. Two weeks ago, my wife broke her wrist. We pay $1740 per month for the two of us, and it has a large deductible (over $7000 per person, I think).
Long story short, my $1740/mo policy paid for ****. In fact the only ortho surgeon in our network is in Elizabethtown, a mere 80 mile drive from our house. Fortunately, we have the means to do so, but had to write a check to a local surgeon, and the facility fee at the new Baptist Health center in Hamburg (which tbh, is really impressive facility). Have not gotten a bill from the anesthesiologist yet, but are already out over $5K, plus got charged $360 yesterday for follow up visit to surgeon, who we did not see, nurse practitioner took x ray and put a smaller cast on. The only thing our policy has paid for this year is normal routine annual physical from a primary care physician, which can't cost too terribly much.
I mean, WTF even bother having a policy? We went to the broker that carried my firm's group plan, and this is what she recommended. We are changing right now, but will be on Medicare by end of summer, fingers crossed that nothing else happens.
Did this CEO specifically pass or create some messed up policies or is it just the fact that he was the CEO of the company?
I am really sorry to hear that. Stories like this frustrate the hell out of me.
UHC is one of the most profitable health insurance companies in the market. They also deny something like 37% of all claims.
This combined with the predatory nature of healthcare insurance I think has sparked the debate we’ve been seeing online.
FBI offering a reward. Is the Company doing the same? Should be on them not the taxpayers. Whatever it takes to find this person I guess.
Read a story that the usual internet sleuths who are normally all over solving this sort of crime aren’t touching it. It’s wild - I think a majority of people want this guy to get away with it. There certainly doesn’t seem to be a lot of sympathy.
Big pharma/big insurance has been scrutinized, regulated, de-regulated, etc, for as long as I can remember. They are behemoths financially and power over the people. However, in no way should anyone get murdered, regardless of their position within the company or policies enacted upon.
And this just isn't health insurance related issues....it can be as simple as not having a claim paid on your car's extended warranty that may set you back $500 for whatever reason.
For every story that Tskware told above, there are just as many to counter that where lives were saved, and/or their financial situations were not hindered due to the excellent coverage they have.
There are numerous people to point fingers at in these companies, as well as those who set the regulations, but none of it warrants a murder, and for those who don't feel the least bit of sympathy for him or his family, you have issues.
And this just isn't health insurance related issues....it can be as simple as not having a claim paid on your car's extended warranty that may set you back $500 for whatever reason.
For every story that Tskware told above, there are just as many to counter that where lives were saved, and/or their financial situations were not hindered due to the excellent coverage they have.
There are numerous people to point fingers at in these companies, as well as those who set the regulations, but none of it warrants a murder, and for those who don't feel the least bit of sympathy for him or his family, you have issues.
Fibs are offering a reward so they can kill him before he talks or get him a new identity and better training
That’s awful. Health insurance is a joke. We need to go single payer and do away with health insurance companies
Pretty much agree, and when I was on a group plan (also Anthem) it was actually pretty good coverage. And I have always chosen high deductible plans, because they are cheaper, we are generally healthy, in fact, neither of us had ever broken a bone before. I would have just been happy had any number of local surgeons and the Baptist Health Center been in our network, and that Anthem would have negotiated a better rate for us policy holders, who are supposed to be their constituents, so that the OOP costs would have been a lot less. And it would have at least counted towards our deductible, none of the money I spent counts against the policy deductible, since we were out of network. Would think that is the LEAST you should get for your money.
As an aside, I used to represent a small generic drug manufacturer, which ran up against GDUFA fees a few years ago. Massive fees imposed per lab to allegedly allow FDA to review and approve drugs faster. Of course, it dramatically benefits behemoths like Pfizer, who pay the same lab fee as my local client (many hundreds of thousands of dollars annually), even though Pfizer's labs were 1000 times larger.
The health care industry in America spends way more than any other country in the world, but the general population is no better off, or as good, as in other countries. (I even heard DJT say this on the Rogan podcast, so it is not or should not be a left/right issue)
I have an Anthem Advantage medicare policy. I had a fall a few months ago. The total bill for everything was about 11 thousand. I was out of pocket 90 dollars.
United started using AI to automatically deny claims without a person ever reviewing them. They deny the most claims of any health insurance company by quite a bit.
You know, insurance is an interesting thing. I’m assuming it’s start was as a middle man for medical procedures, essentially acting as a bank. Someone would need a procedure done, couldn’t afford it, so the insurance company would basically pay some or all of the costs to the doctor and then the patient would pay back the insurance company or have a monthly fee they pay so the doctor didn’t need to act as a bank. All very necessary and useful. Unfortunately, over the years, the insurance companies became so rich and powerful that they began actually getting involved in the medical procedures themselves, dictating treatment and how people were treated. They began making deals with corporations so that employees had no choice but to go with their employers plan and eliminated natural competition. They became too corrupt and powerful to the detriment of society. Just not sure what can be done to roll it back.
I smiled and chuckled a little at the (former) UH CEO's demise. It's the first time I've done that since the US popped a cap in Osama's ***. When you think about it, the (former) UH CEO, through his company's alogorithims/policies of delaying or denying healthcare to people is probably directly/indirectly responsible for WAY more deaths and misery than OBL (directly/indirectly) and his bombs/planes. The big difference is that OBL orchastrated his shitbaggery because he believed that was what his invisible deity wanted from him. The (former) UH CEO? He did it to boost his bonuses and bottom line, and of course to create some beautiful shareholder value.
Also though, in fairness, is it just him? Seems like a scapegoat. What about the people that needed this “life saving procedure”. Was it due to them smoking, or obesity, or their own activities that led to health issues that they even needed to get the procedure in the first place? Was the industrial food complex responsible for them to have chronic health issues? Was it negligent healthcare or a missed diagnosis? Was it……. I mean I do think it’s not just as simple as “insurance carrier denied claim”. There’s gotta be lots of blame to pass around.
I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere, but it could have been the angry son or grandson of someone that got denied coverage. But it sure looks like it was an inside job. Interesting that he and his wife have been living seperartely for years.
I hate health insurance companies. That said its a bit shocking to see people openly celebrate a murder.
Also i think its curious such a relatively young person was ceo of such a huge company.
Finally this looks professional. Will be surprised if they find the killer.
Also i think its curious such a relatively young person was ceo of such a huge company.
Finally this looks professional. Will be surprised if they find the killer.
Honestly I don't believe there's a political left or right to this. You can lean right and hate some of the more macabre corporate greed. In the case of Thompson, he was under DOJ investigation linked to possible insider trading. In business, there are more stakeholders than just shareholders. I lean right, but hate the accounts of what I'm hearing out of UHC.
I don't agree with the shooting, but you can't deny it's sparked a whole, new type of dialogue.
I don't agree with the shooting, but you can't deny it's sparked a whole, new type of dialogue.
I'm sorry. When did our society start applauding cold blooded murder? The CEO may have been a scumbag but deserved being murdered? And people are OK with that? Do we know that he presided over the development and adoption of this new AI program? Is UHC the only health company to adopt this type of screener? Pretty slippery slope when people are deciding who is deserving of being murdered. Who's next?
I kind of agree on your premise on its face. But if we change the framing just a little bit I think it breaks down.
Let's just use Bin Laden as an example because it's easy. Do you think that someone who organizes and carries out a terrorist attack that kills around 3,000 people deserves to be brought to justice and killed? I think we can all agree, even if we don't agree with the concept of the death penalty, that we all smiled a bit the night he was killed.
Now what about a CEO that makes decisions that kills more people, or bankrupts people with medical debt, so his company can make billions and billions of dollars in profit? Is killing in the name of capitalism somehow less deserving of justice than doing it in the name of religion or hate or whatever motivation you want to assign to Bin Laden?
United Healthcare had a net income of $23 billion dollars last year. They are absolutely rolling in cash, and while they do so they're putting systems in place to deny more and more claims so they can make even more money. Even if the CEO wasn't directly responsible for the decision to use AI to deny claims, he's the CEO and he's responsible for what his company does.
A few weeks ago health insurance companies started saying they were only going to cover anesthesia during surgery for a set amount of time. If your surgeon is slow or if there are complications tough ****, you're getting hit with a massive bill. In what world is that just? It's worth noting that since this CEO was killed they all backtracked on this decision.
So should we be outwardly celebrating the death of someone like this? Probably not but I'm not going to really tell anyone who is that they shouldn't be. He made decisions that killed people, made sick people suffer, or saddled people with mountains of medical debt.
It is my understanding that their policy on anesthesia was modeled off of medicare limits. Apparently Dr's have been overcharging on anesthesia to wring a few extra dollars off of every surgery. Everyone just jumps at this one guy at this one company but if you look deep enough it's tons of things done in response to a government regulation.
My jaded view of things is that some people deserve exactly what they get. And that there are people who don’t want to wait to see if there’s a God who’s gonna sort it out later. At this point in my life that’s where I am, and I hate that it’s that way.
Good info: but you don't murder someone as a form of disagreement.
I can solve this: I'll take "What's the connection to Hillary Clinton?" for $500, Alex.
Oh spare me that ********. The poor lil insurance company having to limit anesthesia time due to those greedy a-hole surgeons.
AI implementation seems to be going well. I will note that for all the supposed technical sophistication of the NYPD, this dude hasn't been caught yet either.
Both UnitedHealth and Humana are currently facing lawsuits over their use of nH Predict. The suits allege that insurers pressured case managers to follow the algorithm’s length-of-stay recommendations, even when clinicians and families objected.
One lawsuit filed last year against UnitedHealth claims that 90% of the algorithm’s recommendation are reversed on appeal.
Both UnitedHealth and Humana are currently facing lawsuits over their use of nH Predict. The suits allege that insurers pressured case managers to follow the algorithm’s length-of-stay recommendations, even when clinicians and families objected.
One lawsuit filed last year against UnitedHealth claims that 90% of the algorithm’s recommendation are reversed on appeal.
He instituted an AI that rejects something like 90% of claims. So yeah, he is responsible for that.
You have medicare. People on medicare and medicade have the only good "insurance" left. Hop over onto the exchange and see how you would like to be forced onto one of those policies. $5000 deducible. $10K out of pocket. $400-800 monthly. Crap drug coverage. Hell, you are almost better off without, but you gotta pay that tax if you are.
This whole episode is very interesting from a sociological standpoint because it is a shift in how those who are disgruntled lash out. Before, they concentrated upon law enforcement or maybe commercial locations, but now they are going directly after those at the top of the food chain.
Following the killing Anthem and others immediately changed their policy regarding anesthesia payments. That says the murder got their attention, and that will spark other vigilantes to take similar actions. For the first time those who make the decisions are going to have to consider more than just the companies bottom line.