No SAT testing

[d2atTech]

So many colleges are temporarily not requiring the SAT for college admissions.

I think this should be a permanent move.

Does the SAT really add any value to the college admissions process?

As a related question, which is a more important skill: learning to date and interact socially with others, or getting a 1600 on the SAT thereby demonstrating max powers of interacting with scantrons?

 

[CB3UK]

It helps seperate the wheat from the chaffe.

 

[Rupp'sRunt]

SAT is non multiple choice math. So yeah **** the SAT. Luckily all the colleges I wanted to go to didn't require an SAT and I got a 32 on the ACT.

 

[d2atTech]

SAT is non multiple choice math. So yeah **** the SAT. Luckily all the colleges I wanted to go to didn't require an SAT and I got a 32 on the ACT.

congrats man that’s awesome! My wife really struggled with the sat. She’s super hard working and smart, just not good at multiple choice. I feel it’s a unfair way to judge someone worthy for college when grades are a much better indicator of success.

also childhood summer need to be about making out with girls, fun with friends, working at the grocery store, etc. not studying for summer exams.

 

[Get Buckets]

I feel it’s a unfair way to judge someone worthy for college when grades are a much better indicator of success.

Seems like grades across schools is a hard thing to compare. Probably lots of people with greater than 3.5 in high school and probably a lot a variance amongst them.

 

[KyFaninNC]

May as well. Democrats want open borders, so why not let everybody into college?

 

[rudd1]

-gpa is useless...unless you factor in quality of school and strength of schedule.

-testing is a better judge of "intelligence"/"brightness". Gpa is a good judge of work ethic/ability to "check the boxes". Both are important.

 

[J_Dee]

I went to graduate school with a woman who thought that World War I took place in the 1800s.

I think we need stricter guidelines for admission.

 

[buster3.0]

Sounds like the OP didn't do well on standardized test.

The SAT/ACT is the great equalizer. The test is the same for everyone. Not the same can be said for a GPA. There is a huge contrast in the academic difficulty of the various high schools across America. In some schools, you can get a 4.0 with barely a pulse. Others, it is hard as hell to even maintain a B average despite busting your ***.

 

[chroix]

They give you the correct answer as an option always. People should study harder.

 

[Monroe Claxton]

There are high schools where you get straight As just by showing up.

My high school history teacher was the football coach. He told us that the South lined up in a nickel package at Gettysburg. New York was named the Empire State after the Empire State Building. His tests were always multiple choice with every question having B as the answer.

 

[Ron Mehico]

I don’t think testing is a good measure of intelligence at all. If it’s something you have to train for and practice and study months for how is it testing inate ability? I mean in theory it can be but I know smart people that do great in them but also intelligent people that don’t.

 

[d2atTech]

I don’t think testing is a good measure of intelligence at all. If it’s something you have to train for and practice and study months for how is it testing inate ability? I mean in theory it can be but I know smart people that do great in them but also intelligent people that don’t.

I agree with you entirely.

 

[d2atTech]

Sounds like the OP didn't do well on standardized test.

The SAT/ACT is the great equalizer. The test is the same for everyone. Not the same can be said for a GPA. There is a huge contrast in the academic difficulty of the various high schools across America. In some schools, you can get a 4.0 with barely a pulse. Others, it is hard as hell to even maintain a B average despite busting your ***.

Kinda the opposite, I did really well but didn’t deserve to get into some of the places I did but my wife didn’t. It wasn’t a fair measure, though I disproportionately benefited from it.

 

[wildcatsboston1984_rivals]

congrats man that’s awesome! My wife really struggled with the sat. She’s super hard working and smart, just not good at multiple choice. I feel it’s a unfair way to judge someone worthy for college when grades are a much better indicator of success.

also childhood summer need to be about making out with girls, fun with friends, working at the grocery store, etc. not studying for summer exams.

Only an amateur does the SAT in the summer

 

[wildcatsboston1984_rivals]

May as well. Democrats want open borders, so why not let everybody into college?

SAT never stopped anyone from going to college unless they couldn’t afford to take the test.

 

[wildcatsboston1984_rivals]

I don’t think testing is a good measure of intelligence at all. If it’s something you have to train for and practice and study months for how is it testing inate ability? I mean in theory it can be but I know smart people that do great in them but also intelligent people that don’t.

Only training or practicing I ever did specifically for the SAT was the PSAT. I didn’t get an elite score but I still got a 1200 something back when it was just reading and match

 

[Ron Mehico]

Only training or practicing I ever did specifically for the SAT was the PSAT. I didn’t get an elite score but I still got a 1200 something back when it was just reading and match

Right, you got an average score, which would’ve been improved to a good score if you studied and practiced for months, which shows it doesn’t really test intelligence but just how much you prepared for it.

 

[wildcatsboston1984_rivals]

Right, you got an average score, which would’ve been improved to a good score if you studied and practiced for months, which shows it doesn’t really test intelligence but just how much you prepared for it.

Well the national average is actually 1059.

 

[Ron Mehico]

Well the national average is actually 1059.

Well then I’m sure your high score was a sign of great intelligence that has propelled you to an extremely successful career, and for that I congratulate you.

 

[Get Buckets]

Right, you got an average score, which would’ve been improved to a good score if you studied and practiced for months, which shows it doesn’t really test intelligence but just how much you prepared for it.

Sooo what’s your suggestion as an alternative?

 

[rudd1]

-plenty of kids of middling intelligence acheive a perfect(or near perfect)gpa through grit and "coloring inside the lines".

^i believe that to be a better trait than raw intelligence/talent...as pertains to ones "work life".

 

[Ron Mehico]

Sooo what’s your suggestion as an alternative?

That we don’t worry about standardized tests, or significantly reduce their importance, such as this year.

 

[Get Buckets]

That we don’t worry about standardized tests, or significantly reduce their importance, such as this year.

So the primary metric for admittance is high school grades?

 

[Ron Mehico]

So the primary metric for admittance is high school grades?

Grades, extracurriculars, letters of rec, AP classes, etc. Yes I’m cool with that. I’m assuming that what they’re doing this year anyway and I’m sure it’ll be fine. If you want to use SAT or ACT have it be way down on the list or nowhere near how it’s weighted now. I mean who really gives a **** if you get accepted into a university anyway, it’s not hard or even a measure of success to get into one or graduate with a BA or BS nowadays.

 

[Get Buckets]

Grades, extracurriculars, letters of rec, AP classes, etc. Yes I’m cool with that. I’m assuming that what they’re doing this year anyway and I’m sure it’ll be fine. If you want to use SAT or ACT have it be way down on the list or nowhere near how it’s weighted now. I mean who really gives a **** if you get accepted into a university anyway, it’s not hard or even a measure of success to get into one or graduate with a BA or BS nowadays.

Interesting revamp of the college system.

 

[chroix]

I give that idea a 725.

 

[wildcatsboston1984_rivals]

Grades, extracurriculars, letters of rec, AP classes, etc. Yes I’m cool with that. I’m assuming that what they’re doing this year anyway and I’m sure it’ll be fine. If you want to use SAT or ACT have it be way down on the list or nowhere near how it’s weighted now. I mean who really gives a **** if you get accepted into a university anyway, it’s not hard or even a measure of success to get into one or graduate with a BA or BS nowadays.

Some schools are most certainly hard to get into

 

[KyFaninNC]

I went to graduate school with a woman who thought that World War I took place in the 1800s.

I think we need stricter guidelines for admission.

How did she even graduate 8th grade with that little knowledge of history?

 

[KyCatFan_rivals45723]

There are high schools where you get straight As just by showing up.

My high school history teacher was the football coach. He told us that the South lined up in a nickel package at Gettysburg. New York was named the Empire State after the Empire State Building. His tests were always multiple choice with every question having B as the answer.

By the way, I think there are people that are book smart and others that are naturally intelligent (some are both). I think you can be book smart and do well on tests because of being able to retain information that you read. I don't think that necessarily guarantees that you have a high level of intelligence.

Plenty of people can recite things that they have read but are clueless when a situation arises that they didn't read the answer to from in a book. An intelligent person might be able to solve those problems but then perform poorly on standardized tests because of the way their brain is wired.

Maybe they should throw in an IQ test to go with the ACT/SAT. That way you can still find the intelligent people that just don't perform as well on the ACT/SAT.

 

[anthonys735]

Grades, extracurriculars, letters of rec, AP classes, etc. Yes I’m cool with that. I’m assuming that what they’re doing this year anyway and I’m sure it’ll be fine. If you want to use SAT or ACT have it be way down on the list or nowhere near how it’s weighted now. I mean who really gives a **** if you get accepted into a university anyway, it’s not hard or even a measure of success to get into one or graduate with a BA or BS nowadays.

Correct.

Some people are geared to work well under time constraints and pressure while others move at a slower more relaxed pace and I'm not sure why that should determine their level of intelligence. I don't see the real benefit of standardized test for college admittance. Archaic strategy.

Intersting podcast on this exact topic. http://revisionisthistory.com/episodes/31-puzzle-rush

 

[Franchise]

This strikes me as similar to the "recruiting rankings don't matter" argument. Of course there are people who struggle on standardized tests who excel in real life and vice versa. But most people who do well on standardized test also do well in real life and and if you struggle on standardized test, there is probably a good chance you do not have high intelligence or you have not been educated well.

And you cannot use anything from your local school. There is way too much discrepancy across the board in high schools from quality to expectations to competition. The #1 person in my high school class likely isn't top 50 at my kids school. Standardized testing is to date the best objective, apples-to-apples criteria to use when evaluating numerous kids from across the world with vastly different backgrounds, if you are looking to attract the smartest kids. Everything else should supplement it in the evaluation.

 

[J_Dee]

How did she even graduate 8th grade with that little knowledge of history?

To be fair (I guess), history wasn't her major. XD

 

[anthonys735]

This strikes me as similar to the "recruiting rankings don't matter" argument. Of course there are people who struggle on standardized tests who excel in real life and vice versa. But most people who do well on standardized test also do well in real life and and if you struggle on standardized test, there is probably a good chance you do not have high intelligence or you have not been educated well.

I'd recommend researching the subject more.

 

[BlueVelvetFog]

MJ

This strikes me as similar to the "recruiting rankings don't matter" argument. Of course there are people who struggle on standardized tests who excel in real life and vice versa. But most people who do well on standardized test also do well in real life and and if you struggle on standardized test, there is probably a good chance you do not have high intelligence or you have not been educated well.

And you cannot use anything from your local school. There is way too much discrepancy across the board in high schools from quality to expectations to competition. The #1 person in my high school class likely isn't top 50 at my kids school. Standardized testing is to date the best objective, apples-to-apples criteria to use when evaluating numerous kids from across the world with vastly different backgrounds, if you are looking to attract the smartest kids. Everything else should supplement it in the evaluation.

What an awful take.

 

[HagginHall1999]

I don’t think testing is a good measure of intelligence at all. If it’s something you have to train for and practice and study months for how is it testing inate ability? I mean in theory it can be but I know smart people that do great in them but also intelligent people that don’t.

Thanks for sticking up for your friends.

 

[JDHoss]

How did she even graduate 8th grade with that little knowledge of history?

Seriously? I worked with 3 PhD's over the years that were dumber than a stump when they were outside of their specialized field. Our division director when I retired had a math PhD from MIT. I could have picked out a random homeless man and spent the day giving him a tour of our operations and at the end of the day, he would have had a better understanding of it than this guy did. I guess if you had a tough math problem, he would come in handy. Otherwise, he was worthless.