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Friction.

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Alright I’m just going to throw it out there

K’s the GOAT and I don’t think you can say this or that strat would have been better throughout the season.

However, I always thought K was at his best when he throws a wrinkle in there. Personally, I think Duke is easier (not easy) to prepare for being under the microscope. Ex: this year the entire nation and any basketball fan has our scouting report (RJ goes left, Cam wreckless on the drive, Tre’s long range, etc.). Come the tourney, I feel like teams are too “comfortably” prepared and once their game plan beings working, it builds confidence. Every one of us knows almost exactly how the player minutes are going to go and what we are going to run. Throw the obvious road game environment in the tournament and it becomes difficult..

MSU knew we were going to switch everything on D 1-5 and they 100% knew how it was going to play out with Cash running the pick and roll on our big forcing the switch. Starts working – they get confident. A really good shooter becomes lethal. Then we don’t switch Tre when he’s guarding Cash in I believe the 2nd half, he shoots 3/10. Just an example even though we lost the game b/c of turnovers and laziness on getting back. VT was pretty much doing the same thing and was confidently running it.

Sometimes the wrinkle can be personnel, certain line-ups, changing the defense for a few plays, whatever. Remember the game at UL back in ’15? The Cards were salivating at driving all over our defense and we were vulnerable coming off a loss or two – can’t remember. K went to a zone and we completely threw them off their game. Ended up holding them to like 53 points. Worked masterfully. Heck take the UL game this year. We did a personnel change with JGold and ran a 2-2-1 press..pretty much out of necessity. UL was NOT prepared for that and it is why K is who he is. The lineup of Tyus, Grayson, Plumlee and whoever else we had in there against Wisky down 9 in the 2nd half of the title game. Even with Jah and Winslow in foul trouble - Plumlee and an unproven Allen with momentum against us? Well it worked…they had no clue how to handle Allen because there wasn’t a good enough scouting report on him and he went off. Look at how Coach Dawkins threw in his wrinkle when he handled Tre…that was brilliant and almost single-handedly got them the upset.

None of us really know the answer but I always felt like doing something slightly out of the ordinary in some of these games alters the outcome in the tourney. On the flipside, it could have really went against us too so who knows.
 
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Zlonghorn just showed my starting five. I would like to see some of what K did in the nineties. When a player would start the game making selfish plays or bad decisions just let him have a seat. We do need to get away from the first or second one and done down court take a shot or play keep away from everyone else. And since Nike is paying put in ten dollars for every foul shot missed to pay for golf in the off season.
 

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Alright I’m just going to throw it out there


K’s the GOAT and I don’t think you can say this or that strat would have been better throughout the season.


However, I always thought K was at his best when he throws a wrinkle in there. Personally, I think Duke is easier (not easy) to prepare for being under the microscope. Ex: this year the entire nation and any basketball fan has our scouting report (RJ goes left, Cam wreckless on the drive, Tre’s long range, etc.). Come the tourney, I feel like teams are too “comfortably” prepared and once their game plan beings working, it builds confidence. Every one of us knows almost exactly how the player minutes are going to go and what we are going to run. Throw the obvious road game environment in the tournament and it becomes difficult..

Most teams are predictable. The hard part is that our offensive is very simplified because we have no experience. These guys all come from a background of being “the man.” They have no idea how to run anything. We have the talent to do some advanced stuff, the problem is that most advanced offenses are unscripted and rely on IQ. I’m not saying our team is stupid, they aren’t. But at the end of the day they are freshmen. Bobby Knight invented the motion offense as I’m sure you know. He always said: “If you aren’t moving then you’re doing it wrong!” — That 110% applies to us this year.

Virginia for example is nearly impossible to scout because they run a blocker-mover offense. For example, Hunter will set a flare screen. If the defender goes over he will cut and if the defender goes under he will pop out to the perimeter. Sometimes when the defender goes over he will cut and run the defender into an up-screen and shoot across to the other side of the court. Being that it’s very freestyle, scouting becomes difficult. Defenders become completely mixed up. TxTech has a prolific defense and they struggled defending it. Their offense is frickin’ gorgeous to watch but you can see all the chemistry involved. That style (or similar) would be so hard to throw at a brand new roster.

MSU knew we were going to switch everything on D 1-5 and they 100% knew how it was going to play out with Cash running the pick and roll on our big forcing the switch. Starts working – they get confident. A really good shooter becomes lethal. Then we don’t switch Tre when he’s guarding Cash in I believe the 2nd half, he shoots 3/10. Just an example even though we lost the game b/c of turnovers and laziness on getting back. VT was pretty much doing the same thing and was confidently running it.

Tre only switched off of him one time and it was in the 2nd half. Matter of fact, he played stellar defense on him. The one switch was with Cam (maybe RJ?) and it was a perfect switch. Winston stepped back and nailed a 3 in his face. 2 plays Bolden tried to switch with Tre (for no reason, he didn’t get stuck off of his man.) and he costed us 2 three pointers. He’s had a very poor career at Duke. The no-switch on Winston was the blatant gameplan and he just did whatever he wanted. That’s why he wasn’t a captain this year, no communication. If you need to switch at least say something. Not that I’m blaming the refs (we played lazy and deserved the loss) but Winston used his off-ball arm to shove Tre the entire game. Crazy that it was never whistled. I appreciate Tre’s dedication to tough defense but he needed to sell it a couple times. It was excessive.

Sometimes the wrinkle can be personnel, certain line-ups, changing the defense for a few plays, whatever. Remember the game at UL back in ’15? The Cards were salivating at driving all over our defense and we were vulnerable coming off a loss or two – can’t remember. K went to a zone and we completely threw them off their game. Ended up holding them to like 53 points. Worked masterfully. Heck take the UL game this year. We did a personnel change with JGold and ran a 2-2-1 press..pretty much out of necessity. UL was NOT prepared for that and it is why K is who he is. The lineup of Tyus, Grayson, Plumlee and whoever else we had in there against Wisky down 9 in the 2nd half of the title game. Even with Jah and Winslow in foul trouble - Plumlee and an unproven Allen with momentum against us? Well it worked…they had no clue how to handle Allen because there wasn’t a good enough scouting report on him and he went off. Look at how Coach Dawkins threw in his wrinkle when he handled Tre…that was brilliant and almost single-handedly got them the upset.

We went to a 2-3 zone in both ‘15 and last year because Okafor and Bagley are miserably defenders. That’s putting it nicely. That sparked our season in ‘15 and last year both. That was done because we sucked on defense and were losing as a result. This year we may have looked offensively stalled at times, but we were winning.

Now it’s easy to look back on our half-court offense or whatever particular aspect and say hey we should have done this, this and this but the problem is that we were winning. It’s hard to trash the current gameplan that’s producing wins and hope something new works. I mean just think, if we did that and lost then everyone would blame K for switching the offense. Lol it’s never ending.

None of us really know the answer but I always felt like doing something slightly out of the ordinary in some of these games alters the outcome in the tourney. On the flipside, it could have really went against us too so who knows.

I’m glad you’re level-headed enough to have it in perspective about it also working against us. Most seem to complain that we shot 3’s too much. Then turn around and complain about RJ driving the ball. Basically what I’ve gathered from the consensus is that we should have sat everyone on the bench except for Zion and AOC. Either Z attacks the basket or AOC shoots a three. Lmao
 
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