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Who has the best teams in the state - north or south?

Who has the best players in the state - north or south?

Past and Present?

By the way, Cubs fan or Sox fan?

Favorite place to eat - Is it on the north or south side?
 

crusader_of_90

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Althoff has the biggest and best collection of offensive athletes in the state in any class.

Jaylon Bester, CJ Colton, Ed Brown, Jordan Goodwin, Trey Mosley, the Strong brothers and more.
 

crusader_of_90

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ESL will out athlete the big boys if they can play anywhere near disciplined ... they cannot make more than three offensive plays without a holding, formation or procedure call.
 

Cross Bones

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ESL will out athlete the big boys if they can play anywhere near disciplined ... they cannot make more than three offensive plays without a holding, formation or procedure call.
The South Suburban Allstars may have something to say about that...
 

crusader_of_90

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To be clear, ESL has more big boys to hang in 7a.

I still say Althoff has best collection of skills positions in the state.
 

BigKid87

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Crusader of '90,

To be clear, ESL has more big boys to hang in 7a.

I still say Althoff has best collection of skills positions in the state.

I would counter that HF can say something about that and Brother Rice's triumvirate of Smalling, Houston and Valladay can counter as well.
 

crusader_of_90

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Althoff is a half dozen deep with guys who can beat you on the edge and grab passes in the middle. This is preseason basketball for many on the squad.
 

LHSTigers94

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To say Althoff have the best in the state you are saying they can duplicate what they are doing not matter what level they are playing. I don't see those guys putting up the same numbers if they played in the SWC. I think they are very explosive for 5A and below however 6A and above would be a different story.

ESL is okay and I would not classify them special or great however, I don't think too many teams if any in south of I-80 can match up. I am hearing Peoria has some nice kids also.
 
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Cross Bones

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Crusader of '90,



I would counter that HF can say something about that and Brother Rice's triumvirate of Smalling, Houston and Valladay can counter as well.
i already mentioned the South Suburban Allstars
 

crusader_of_90

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To say Althoff have the best in the state you are saying they can duplicate what they are doing not matter what level they are playing. I don't see those guys putting up the same numbers if they played in the SWC. I think they are very explosive for 5A and below however 6A and above would be a different story.

ESL is okay and I would not classify them special or great however, I don't think too many teams if any in south of I-80 can match up. I am hearing Peoria has some nice kids also.
Aside from Jeff Thomas, Althoff receivers and back would put ESL's skill guys on the second team. That includes QB Estes.

As for this ESL squad, I think they are the favorites in 7A - but they are not world beaters like we saw with Hawthorn and Appleton's team. That team was so damned good - and had the swagger to scare the hell out of teams.
 

flyerforlife

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Aside from Jeff Thomas, Althoff receivers and back would put ESL's skill guys on the second team. That includes QB Estes.

As for this ESL squad, I think they are the favorites in 7A - but they are not world beaters like we saw with Hawthorn and Appleton's team. That team was so damned good - and had the swagger to scare the hell out of teams.

Totally diagree CJ is the only play maker Althoff has at wr. For which I think they should get him the ball more . Bester can run the ball they use him alot which they should Goodwin is a good tightend. Mosley is ok at QB and so is Estes. Will give the nod to Estes being a 3 year starter. While Althoff is good like LHS mention if they were to go up in class or played in the SWC. different story. I like both of their chances but its high school football any thing can happen any givin friday or sat.
 

crusader_of_90

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Don't sleep on 6/5 Edwyn Brown, good sir! Speed, size, hands and he goes over the middle. OK fine - taking into consideration a three-year starter, I can see your point about QBs. But I'd put them at dead equals. You're correct, CJ is a baller! Goodwin is a monster tight end and they have some other kid - Brock - making plays split out. And that Hawthorn freshman who dresses - any relation to Terry?
 

LHSTigers94

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Don't sleep on 6/5 Edwyn Brown, good sir! Speed, size, hands and he goes over the middle. OK fine - taking into consideration a three-year starter, I can see your point about QBs. But I'd put them at dead equals. You're correct, CJ is a baller! Goodwin is a monster tight end and they have some other kid - Brock - making plays split out. And that Hawthorn freshman who dresses - any relation to Terry?

I will highlight a couple of points on this topic.
1. Althoff do not see the defense ESL face at NO POINT during their season. To say what players are equal is like comparing the Big10 to the Missouri valley. Althoff QB will NEVER face a kid like AJ in Edwardsville at no point during the season. The league Althoff play in is more similar to 7 on 7. Now this is no knock on how good or bad a players from Althoff is but, we are not talking apples to apples. Take being a fan of a program out of it. Example would be Phillips treating Alhoff like little boys in the state game last year.

2. Althoff is simply a basketball team playing football. The only game in which toughness was needed last year was the title game where Althoff laid an egg. Not because they were scared, not because they weren't "skilled" but, simply because they were a basketball team playing football and Phillips was a football team.

3. Yes I agree that Hawthorne and Appleton was terrifying for most teams however this team has a better 11 on defense. 2008 Team never faced a team like CBC who basically had Hawthorne and Appleton on their team. The closest team to CBC was Wayne in which ESL lost that game in Cincy.

4. In the later rounds of 6A, all of 7A, and 8A you have to be physical in the playoffs. As good as CJ is, its obvious he hasn't spent much time in the weight room which is very important at the higher level. You simply can't play the game without a weight program. Goodwin, CJ, Brown, Bester are all good athletes and I like watching them play however I will not disrespect the high school game in Illinois and pretend that what Althoff is doing in 4A will translate to 7A and 8A. It will be hard for me to believe that any of those kids put in major work in the weight room throughout their high school career. This is also the reason why bigger schools (colleges) aren't really singing the same praises.

Hopefully you don't take this in a negative way as I think Althoff will make plenty of noise in 4A this year just like they did last year. To compare ESL to Althoff is apples to oranges and right now, CJ is the only player from Althoff that I can see playing. As I have said before, I think Goodwin have the tools and size however weight room activity for football would make it difficult for him to the play.
 
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LHSTigers94

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A good example of too little would be the Soph RB from E'ville. The kid is small however prior to playing ESL, he avg close to 12 yards a carry and had 750 yds and 13 TD's on the season. Last Friday he ended the game with 10 carries for 10 yards. None of the teams E'ville played prior to ESL can compete in 7A or 8A.
 

crusader_of_90

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I will highlight a couple of points on this topic.
1. Althoff do not see the defense ESL face at NO POINT during their season. To say what players are equal is like comparing the Big10 to the Missouri valley. Althoff QB will NEVER face a kid like AJ in Edwardsville at no point during the season. The league Althoff play in is more similar to 7 on 7. Now this is no knock on how good or bad a players from Althoff is but, we are not talking apples to apples. Take being a fan of a program out of it. Example would be Phillips treating Alhoff like little boys in the state game last year.

2. Althoff is simply a basketball team playing football. The only game in which toughness was needed last year was the title game where Althoff laid an egg. Not because they were scared, not because they weren't "skilled" but, simply because they were a basketball team playing football and Phillips was a football team.

3. Yes I agree that Hawthorne and Appleton was terrifying for most teams however this team has a better 11 on defense. 2008 Team never faced a team like CBC who basically had Hawthorne and Appleton on their team. The closest team to CBC was Wayne in which ESL lost that game in Cincy.

4. In the later rounds of 6A, all of 7A, and 8A you have to be physical in the playoffs. As good as CJ is, its obvious he hasn't spent much time in the weight room which is very important at the higher level. You simply can't play the game without a weight program. Goodwin, CJ, Brown, Bester are all good athletes and I like watching them play however I will not disrespect the high school game in Illinois and pretend that what Althoff is doing in 4A will translate to 7A and 8A. It will be hard for me to believe that any of those kids put in major work in the weight room throughout their high school career. This is also the reason why bigger schools (colleges) aren't really singing the same praises.

Hopefully you don't take this in a negative way as I think Althoff will make plenty of noise in 4A this year just like they did last year. To compare ESL to Althoff is apples to oranges and right now, CJ is the only player from Althoff that I can see playing. As I have said before, I think Goodwin have the tools and size however weight room activity for football would make it difficult for him to the play.
Phillips was Top 5 of any class last year - so that's not a fair comparison. I've stated that the "big boys" of ESL will allow them to win 7A. I still contend - and we disagree - that you bring Althoff skill players to ESL, they would be just fine.As for weight lifting, some of the boys need a cheeseburger but Goodwin is thick! The reference about them being a hoops team in cleats is accurate - and they play year round so gaining the mass is difficult.

Question - you really think this year's D is better? I have seen back DB play - missed tackles that resulted in big gains. E-ville's Rodgers barely was caught after 60 years by Jeff Thomas.saved the game ... but had the DB just made a play, Eville is punting.

Hawthorn would not have missed that tackle.
 

LHSTigers94

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Phillips was Top 5 of any class last year - so that's not a fair comparison. I've stated that the "big boys" of ESL will allow them to win 7A. I still contend - and we disagree - that you bring Althoff skill players to ESL, they would be just fine.As for weight lifting, some of the boys need a cheeseburger but Goodwin is thick! The reference about them being a hoops team in cleats is accurate - and they play year round so gaining the mass is difficult.

Question - you really think this year's D is better? I have seen back DB play - missed tackles that resulted in big gains. E-ville's Rodgers barely was caught after 60 years by Jeff Thomas.saved the game ... but had the DB just made a play, Eville is punting.

Hawthorn would not have missed that tackle.

That play you speak of was just terrible and I agree that 08 DB tackling was better however overall (all 11 guys) are a little better. Hawthorne had to make a lot of plays in 08. If he didn't make the play or if he missed a game, the outcome would be different. This team is somewhat interchangeable which make it a little difficult to game plan against. It's no question that there isn't a Hawthorne, Hopkins or Phillips on this team however there aren't many guys you have to hide within the scheme.

As far as the weights, I was talking more strength then size. Goodwin is the only one that have decent strength and size but I think he can be a better football with more effort. I also understand his desire to be a great hooper so I respect his choice. The point I am trying to make is you have to be strong or you will bounce off players like ESL DB did against Eville. The shots Estes took from AJ would end most kids career or make them second guess playing football.
 
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