Not so good for Charlie Hustle
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I might be naive, but I still don't see the big deal.
Didn't he only bet on the Reds to win? That, to me, is nothing. Now, if he were betting on the Reds to lose and throwing games with his poor play/managerial decisions, then we have a problem.
As it stands, the only thing he's guilty of is being an idiot who likes to gamble who was confident in his own abilities.
Didn't he only bet on the Reds to win? That, to me, is nothing. Now, if he were betting on the Reds to lose and throwing games with his poor play/managerial decisions, then we have a problem.
As it stands, the only thing he's guilty of is being an idiot who likes to gamble who was confident in his own abilities.
It's only "nothing" if he bet on them each and every game and bet the same amount each and every time.
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I think it shows a couple things...
1.) he is STILL lying about his gambling, so it makes any case for reinstatement unlikely
2.) he was hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt to the mob from gambling. Kinda raises some real questions about those games he didn't bet.
1.) he is STILL lying about his gambling, so it makes any case for reinstatement unlikely
2.) he was hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt to the mob from gambling. Kinda raises some real questions about those games he didn't bet.
Nancy hope at reinstatement is gone now, for sure. He and a chance to 'fess up to all of this in the 80s ... and 90s ... and 00s ... and 10s ... but continued to stick to his lie(s). He's done.
He's still one of my favorite all time players, but it's over. They'll probably try to un-invite him to the all star stuff too.
He's still one of my favorite all time players, but it's over. They'll probably try to un-invite him to the all star stuff too.
(d) BETTING ON BALL GAMES. Any player, umpire, or club official or
employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in
connection with which the bettor has no duty to perform shall be declared
ineligible for one year.
Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who shall
bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which
the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible.
It says nowhere "unless the player is a great player" and the rule is posted in every clubhouse, and has been for decades before Rose even started playing. Pete is the one who violated the golden rule - so, Pete has to pay.
Not hard to understand - he was my favorite player (with Bench), but I have to be honest.
employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in
connection with which the bettor has no duty to perform shall be declared
ineligible for one year.
Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who shall
bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which
the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible.
It says nowhere "unless the player is a great player" and the rule is posted in every clubhouse, and has been for decades before Rose even started playing. Pete is the one who violated the golden rule - so, Pete has to pay.
Not hard to understand - he was my favorite player (with Bench), but I have to be honest.
There is only one single unpardonable sin in MLB = Do Not Bet On Baseball Games. Every player knows it is the death penalty to do so. There has been a sign saying so posted in every single clubhouse for nearly 100 years.
0% of players, managers, owners and umpires who have been placed on the permanently ineligible list for betting on baseball have been reinstated. 100% of players, managers, owners and umpires who have been placed on the permanently ineligible list for anything else have been reinstated.
^ I guess you missed when Jordan "retired" (lmao) from the association and went off to suck at minor league baseball. I guess you also missed what happened to his father. Baseball is just more open about its punishments than basketball, apparently.
His performance on the field is the reason he deserves to be in the Hall. Fine if he's banned from participation for the rest of his life. I agree that the drug takers are the real villians. Their behavior had a definite impact on the outcome of games.
The problem with "betting on your team to win" -- unless you bet on every game and bet the same amount on every game -- is it inevitably affects your coaching decisions, which, of course, directly affects the game's integrity.
Let's say that Rose, as manager, knows the Astros are coming into Cincinnati for a three-game series the next day and decides to bet $1,000 on the first game (because of a favorable pitching match-up or whatever). He doesn't have any money on the Cubs game tonight though.
However, tonight's game turns out to be closer than expected. So, instead of bringing in his #1 closer to protect a 1-run lead (because he doesn't have any money on the Cubs game), he brings in someone else, the Reds blow the lead, and lose the game -- all because Rose was going to bet on the Reds to win tomorrow.
Let's say that Rose, as manager, knows the Astros are coming into Cincinnati for a three-game series the next day and decides to bet $1,000 on the first game (because of a favorable pitching match-up or whatever). He doesn't have any money on the Cubs game tonight though.
However, tonight's game turns out to be closer than expected. So, instead of bringing in his #1 closer to protect a 1-run lead (because he doesn't have any money on the Cubs game), he brings in someone else, the Reds blow the lead, and lose the game -- all because Rose was going to bet on the Reds to win tomorrow.
Baseball is filled with so many self righteous ********. The fact that Ty Cobb is in the HOF and the fact that drug addicts got a billion chances and steroid users still get to play today while Rose is out, is comical.
He doesn't need the HOF for any validation on an amazing career. He is one of the best to ever play the game. We all know it .
He doesn't need the HOF for any validation on an amazing career. He is one of the best to ever play the game. We all know it .
No argument there, I agree about the 'roid abusers. (And I know you understood my post
. I was directing it to the myopic but-he-only-bet-on-the-Reds-to-win crowd.)
MLB can define its own crimes and set punishments appropriately. Participants gambling on baseball games can and have harmed MLB financially and otherwise. PEDs (McGwire and Sosa) actually saved baseball and led to astronomical (no Houston) profits and popularity. Team ownership, managers and most of all the commissioner's office encouraged their use until their was a public outcry.
Ty Cobb probably committed 10 murders that would make the Charleston Church killer blush and get him brought up on Federal hate crime charges today. Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle, Fergie Jenkins and any number of players inducted in the 80s played all kinds of games while drunk/high. Kirby Puckett and Bobby Cox beat their wives. But, like Irvin, those offenses didn't cost MLB any $$$ or prestige. Rose and the other gamblers did.
He had a very long career as a player. He would have had a very long career in managing/commentating but he pissed it away. He lost 25 years of apossible career because of this. He has been punished more than enough. Time to lift the ban.
Alex Rodriguez is still plying btw.
Alex Rodriguez is still plying btw.
He's made millions per year hawking autographs and memorabilia and pimping himself out to go to dinner with the highest bidder. I wish I could piss away into a career like that.
Pete is serving the sentence he received.
A-Roid already served the sentence he received.
If you have a problem with the sentences, blame the players themselves. Baseball wanted harsher penalties but the players' union got concessions in collective bargaining.
A-Roid already served the sentence he received.
If you have a problem with the sentences, blame the players themselves. Baseball wanted harsher penalties but the players' union got concessions in collective bargaining.
Ty Cobb was a horrible human being, but his on-the-field accomplishments were too significant for him to be left out of the HOF? C'mon.
And what bookie, especially one that's "Connected", actually uses a name for betting slips? You get assigned a number as an identifying marker.
It's not just the gambling, it's being associated with a criminal element who have the power to seriously undermine entire seasons.
Everybody's got the warm and fuzzies over Pete. That's good, good on ya, but go back and study the history of baseball before you let your emotions get the best of you. The sport was in a tailspin before Landis took over and cleaned it up. Gave it some legitimacy. Betting on baseball is unpardonable.
Everybody's got the warm and fuzzies over Pete. That's good, good on ya, but go back and study the history of baseball before you let your emotions get the best of you. The sport was in a tailspin before Landis took over and cleaned it up. Gave it some legitimacy. Betting on baseball is unpardonable.
Story reeks of bs. Rose just needs to tell baseball to eff off and walk away.
This X 1,000,000.......Toss in the fact that how many players did he keep in games longer than he should have that may have needed rest? How many pitchers pitched more innings than they should have? How many injuries did he possibly cause by over playing players to try to win bets?
And on the flip side of that, I got news for ya. If he was such a degenerate gambler that was betting every day, if you really think he would bet for the Reds when he had his number 5 starter going up against someone like Steve Carlton, Greg Maddux or Nolan Ryan, then I don't know what to tell you. I totally think he bet against the Reds.
Not surprising. If Pete's mouth is moving he's lying. I don't understand why anyone would be shocked by this. It's not like Manfred was going to re-instate him though. Anyone who thought that was going to happen might be a little too optimistic for their own good. It's really sad too. If he would have just admitted to this and been contrite he'd already be in the HOF.
99% of what people think of Ty Cobb off the field (including the claim he killed someone before a game) has been debunked as fabrication.
Regardless, the issue with gambling is the cardinal sin because it's the most egregious crime you can commit against the "sport" of baseball. Once the outcome is presumed to be predetermined (i.e. one team is trying to lose), it becomes the WWE. It loses its anti-trust exemption and Major League baseball as we know it ceases to be. Fans stop watching entirely.
Baseball has its own laws. Within that framework, gambling is the worst crime you can commit against the sport itself. Hence the ban. I don't really care about Rose one way or the other. But I certainly don't feel sorry for him, and he's certainly not "deserving" of any sort of exemption. He did the crime, now he's doing the time. If baseball wants to change their standards or rules, that's up to them. But if they make an exception just because Rose was good, they're sellouts.
Seems to me anyone that gives a rats *** about the baseball hall of fame are white guys over the age of 50. Baseball just has a weird demographic.