Struggling with this logic as well. This is NU, not IU, whose history we’re talking about.
Ok thanks for that info. But just because another coach took a historically more successful team than NU to the NCAA FF and subsequently crashed and burned does not mean Collins will ultimately do so or is a bad coach. The academics still don’t allow us to consistently recruit like others, and that’s not on Collins. I wish he were more magical like Fitz, but I’ll take what he gives us for a lot longer than most on this board.
What areas do you think CCC needs to improve in to make this team a consistent mid-tier Big Ten team?
You keep talking about recruiting and talent(which by the way is the responsibility of the head coach) and how we don't stack up to the rest of the conference. There is more than enough talent on this team to not be horrible and lose 9 in a row. Period.
You're right, it doesn't. But it's an example of how having success once does not make you a good coach either.
To be fair, there is a piece of the original pie that is missing. That is Baldwin
Considering that to me coaching in college is maybe 70% recruiting, 20% development/practice/strategy decisions on team, and 10% in game coaching, no one has been better than CC. Because he has done better in the 70% than anyone else.
Sorry but those teams are ranked for a reason. We are not quite good enough to go 1 of 3 agasinst ranked teams. And the gauntlet that we have been through takes a bunch out of a team and probably costs us a couple games. We have had the most difficult schedule of any team in the country. If you think different, point out the team that had a more difficult schedule
So your logic is, considering we beat (at that time ranked) MSU, Indiana and (now ranked #4) OSU, that we are over achieving? I guess we always have Nebraska.
Problem is we have not had Nebraska yet. Basically even when we have had a team that was not ranked at the time they were going through a hot stretch.
But it’s totally different and easier to take much more talented players to one-time success than taking non-talented players there. Just look at Kevin Ollie at UCONN. He won the whole thing with no player that he recruited. He just was bestowed a great team from Calhoun. Talent (to you later post) is ultimately what makes by far the most difference.
I don’t disagree with 80% of what you just said. And I’ve never defended that he should not be given the opportunity to see this class through. But, in my mind, if he can’t make it with seniors next year something is very wrong. And frankly I still don’t see how expecting 6-7 wins with this roster was being very demanding. At some point you gotta draw the line. Imagine we go 3-17, would that make you question things?
I’m with you. 3-17 would be extremely difficult to swallow and would show he’s not really not mature enough as a leader to gather the troops and rebound after seeing some early success. However, I still am a believer that the cream rises to the top and it will be very tough to win any of the games. I do believe Audige and Berry have some yet untapped talent, and I hope Beran can get out of his funk and Kopp can shoot better. But, Buie will not help except for maybe a fluky game and that will ultimately hurt this team the most. I see us winning 2-3 more games.