NU vs. UVA Game Thread
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Someone has to step up on the defensive glass. CCC will figure it out.
I agree too much 1 on 1 and not much for sets or spreading the ball around. Nobody made any effort to get Singleton involved. The Reid and Page show was glorious until it totally wasn't.
Lack of rebounding and piss poor FT shooting across the board (Reid included) were killers too. But what changed the entire flow of this game was the insane number of fouls including some crucial ones 40 feet from the basket. We were steamrolling them until those accumulated in the 2nd half.
They rebounded 52.5% of their missed shots. To be fair, that was only their 3rd-highest result this season, but is absolutely abysmal for us.
Vehemently disagree. Anything above 70% is NOT "piss poor" FT shooting, and Reid making 11 of 14 attempts is nothing to be ashamed of. Yes, it would be nice to make a few more, but it would also be nice to take a few more (UVA got to attempt 12 more FTs than we did).
Collins seemed pretty calm on the sideline. Like he knows they'll get better from.this experience. We fans always take losses like this against good teams hard because they count in the tally at the end of the year and a good noncon sets you up for an NCAA bid. If the team cleans up these areas though that will take care of itself. We could be really good this year when it falls into place.
Yeah that's fair and I already recanted my Reid remark. Nick shot poorly at the line compared to how he was trending. I'm old school in that I feel we should make almost all of them!
Agree. CCC knows what he has. This isn’t going to be a great defensive team and let’s face it, there’s not a lot of instinctive rebounding/ positioning on the team. However, this should be a very good offensive team. We are going to have to figure out the 2 spot rotation. Need one of Gelo, Green, KJ or Mullins to give us double digits each game. The rest of the positions are pretty good offensively. Just going to have to win games in different ways than we have the last couple of years.
Actually the called a number of ticky tack fouls against us in first half as well
And the poor D rebounding and long dry spell right near the end
Before Windham made the late three, we went almost eight minutes without a field goal. That also will lose almost a lot of games.
Watching UCONN vs. Michigan women. It is SO refreshing to watch a fast flowing game without fouls being called almost every sequence.
Poor rebounding and long dry spells reminds me of Carmody. I certainly hope not a sign of things to come.
Watching Big Ten and upper level teams in the early games, the depth of large and athletic players is impressive. Seems like the portal and money is allowing every team to plug their holes. Teams are focusing on getting bigger and older. So even though Page is a revelation, I think NU will struggle with their younger players who haven't filled out. Our best assemblage of big athletes but every other top tier team seems to be able to make the same claim.
What I didn’t get was why we didn’t get it to Martinelli on the elbow about 100 times. He drew several fast whistles that way and neither of their bigs especially the Belgian frosh who killed us on the other end had anywhere near the quickness to guard him or Page. This should have been a bloodbath in our favor. Should have had 60 points in the paint.
Weirdly Reid coming out so hot hurt us when he went ice cold because everyone except Page was just watching the rest of the game. Reid is so good, but he needs to get more players involved. Confident this will improve.
Gelo, Mullins, and especially Singleton have to get physical on the glass. The one thing that Virginia team does at an elite level is rebound, so I am going to throw this one out. We just have to keep it close on the glass and we will outscore a lot of teams.
We were way more athletic than them, but in the first half especially we let them dictate to us instead of the other way around. When they played both seven footers at once we should have had a field day with the best (or one of) mid range passers and scorers in the NCAA. I repeat neither one of those guys could move sideways AT ALL. The announcers wouldnt shut up about blocks. Who cares? We fouled him out with five to go and should have done it ten minutes sooner. Guys with 100 foot wingspans are gonna block shots, but a disciplined attack will crush them. Draw them to the elbow with Nick and let him do his whirling dervish stuff. Instead we played a lot of “drive with no purpose” ball and let the big guys play volleyball on the offensive glass.
We missed a ton of open shots and put our hands up on every foul call even though they called it the same all day. For that reason we did not deserve a win. But we were better in most aspects. Coaching staff was not elite today either. Flush it, whip Carolina, on to Wiscy.
Weirdly Reid coming out so hot hurt us when he went ice cold because everyone except Page was just watching the rest of the game. Reid is so good, but he needs to get more players involved. Confident this will improve.
Gelo, Mullins, and especially Singleton have to get physical on the glass. The one thing that Virginia team does at an elite level is rebound, so I am going to throw this one out. We just have to keep it close on the glass and we will outscore a lot of teams.
We were way more athletic than them, but in the first half especially we let them dictate to us instead of the other way around. When they played both seven footers at once we should have had a field day with the best (or one of) mid range passers and scorers in the NCAA. I repeat neither one of those guys could move sideways AT ALL. The announcers wouldnt shut up about blocks. Who cares? We fouled him out with five to go and should have done it ten minutes sooner. Guys with 100 foot wingspans are gonna block shots, but a disciplined attack will crush them. Draw them to the elbow with Nick and let him do his whirling dervish stuff. Instead we played a lot of “drive with no purpose” ball and let the big guys play volleyball on the offensive glass.
We missed a ton of open shots and put our hands up on every foul call even though they called it the same all day. For that reason we did not deserve a win. But we were better in most aspects. Coaching staff was not elite today either. Flush it, whip Carolina, on to Wiscy.
I agree with the Reid comments, but my version may be a bit more critical.
Generally, so far, it's Reid's ball, but I'm wondering if the five-games-into-the-season version of Reid is not a great thing for the long-term potential of the team.
1) For me, the B10's leading scorer has not even touched the ball enough in last night's game as well as the DePaul game.
2) I'm not in love with Reid's shot selection. If he was a freshman, I could understand.
OTOH, Collins loves to have his guards shoot, shoot, shoot.
3) How often does Reid make cringe-worthy decisions?
4) With all of Reid's focus on driving the lane, there really should be more wide open catch-and-shoot opportunities from 3. Martinelli has clearly improved from 3. Singleton has proven he has a shot. And if KJ is going to be that guy, so be it. Meanwhile, Max Green is a rumor so far. He went 4-7 from 3 vs Virginia last year.
Green is clearly a bit lost, but there also needs to be 2 or 3 open catch-and-shoots in a game to get him started.
It's early, and Reid is running a new team. So hopefully, some of this gets fixed before the conference.
Reid has been much better than I thought he would be. He is fearless and that can result in a few bad shots. Teams will guard the 3 point line against us. The best way to get Green involved is inside out. Nick and Page have to kick it out a little more. It will be tough for Reid to swing it around the perimeter for open looks to Green. KJ looks lost out there too. The same applies to him, but he can actually create a little himself. KJ needs to be more aggressive starting now. Reid and AP have been revelations.
Actually not that bad defensively (they shot 37%) but rebounding was a whole different matter 22 O rebounds given up.
Reid’s guy was so scared of giving up a blow by that he sagged off two Page handoff screens and Reid buried both uncontested threes. If he does that and keeps attacking downhill as he is, he is bringing a game changing dimension.
What has to happen tho is he and Martinelli have to co-own the offense. A guy who can lead the nation in scoring and do it in different ways needs 25 shots, not 12. Too often Nick stood about 12 feet from the rim on the baseline while Reid drove hard and either turned it over or took an awkward layup. Reid doesn’t have to be so ball dominant to actually dominate more. Getting Nick his touches at 15 feet opens up the corners for KJ, Gelo, Green, et al.
Page has a great feel for being in the right spot on Reid’s drives, but it clearly winded him a bunch and he hit the floor a lot. We can keep him shooting 60%+ if we don’t make him work so hard (get Nick his looks). Page shot a couple bad threes late in the second half and fatigue was definitely a factor. But honestly I can live with that when he is showing his offensive prowess in these crazy bursts.
We continue to score very highly defensively in the KenPom, we just play at a faster tempo now and are finding a huge possession disadvantage on the glass.
My criticism with Reid encompasses a bunch of these: he creates a ton, but there are several times a game where he hyper aggressively drives in the paint, successfully ends up with three bigs crashed to him… and then tries a hopeless shot from amongst the trees that is inevitably blocked or a bad miss. Like, you’ve SUCCEEDED, your 5-10 *** has drawn the attention of multiple defenders including all their bigs, dish it out! I think his teammates are not helping him in this regard, I can think of several situations where Reid was in the trees and everybody was just standing around watching him attempt a wild shot. You need to dribble out or find a pass.
I think Nick is part of this. He needs to be slipping behind Reid for a three or slashing nearby to cut by the defenders.
His hyper aggression really does stir our drink a lot of the time, the kid is fast and fearless, but that would be my note for improvement.
He had a ton of assists and not so many pts in the opener if I recall so he's capable of creating for others and with volume. Yesterday wasn't his best but I agree others have to be ready to catch and shoot when he penetrates. Nick missed some open wings when he went into iso mode.
Honest he played great 80% of the time, but 4-5 possessions he wasted by not being smart
This is my concern about his size as he tries to work in the paint against conference foes. He has been showing pretty good discipline and avoiding these situations, but it’s just going to get harder in the Big Ten. If Martinelli and Page can figure out how to work off each other inside, I think this offense could be very potent with Reid as the facilitator.
