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Yeah, why not 4,000,000,000,000 beds? Why not duct tape people to their beds, right?!? Cuz it's all or nothing, not cautiousness, basic preparedness, and learning from mistakes or anything...

And I'm not upset with you.
Exactly - I was just wondering from you where you thin the cautious line was and the ridiculous line begins? Again, we had 271 hospitalized covid patients yesterday. Have a cousin who works in a hospital, they have over 200 beds but only 47 patients total (Idk the breakdown of covid vs regular).

Had things not been shut down for 20-30 days, sure get prepared bc you wouldn’t have a clue what’s coming...but we kinda do have a clue.
 

Phil_The_Music2

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WTF did I say 12 to 18 months or any date for that matter? That said, May 1st is an effing pipe dream for back to normal.

There is no back to normal for a long damn time, there's opening things up based on facts, not feelings, so we don't watch a MFing rerun next year.
WTF did I say 12 to 18 months or any date for that matter? That said, May 1st is an effing pipe dream for back to normal.

There is no back to normal for a long damn time, there's opening things up based on facts, not feelings, so we don't watch a MFing rerun next year.
You said if we had to stay locked down until we find a vaccine, so be it. That's going to take 12-18 months. Perhaps you should read your own posts before you respond.
 
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You said if we had to stay locked down until we find a vaccine, so be it. That's going to take 12-18 months. Perhaps you should read your own posts before you respond.

No I said it is what it is - perhaps you should learn to read or is general comprehension your basic problem? Dyslexia perhaps?

You equated 12-18 months - those are your words not mine.

Word for word:
One thing they do know is the longer we stay locked down, the less it will spread. If that means waiting for a vaccine then it is what it is.
The alternative is to kick the can down the road which means more exposure in hopes of herd immunity, which may or may not happen.
 
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No I said it is what it is - perhaps you should learn to read or is general comprehension your basic problem? Dyslexia perhaps?

You equated 12-18 months - those are your words not mine.

Word for word:
One thing they do know is the longer we stay locked down, the less it will spread. If that means waiting for a vaccine then it is what it is.
The alternative is to kick the can down the road which means more exposure in hopes of herd immunity, which may or may not happen.

That's great that you can comprehend, but it's people like you and the other guy that need to come to terms with the fact that it's lives vs lives; stay locked down for 18 months because it is what it is, you are going to cost more lives and suffering than you ever could have through doing nothing.

Deferring your judgement to experts and smooth talking lawyers doesn't help you if they are just as incompetent too. When you play follow leader, you better be sure that leader has a better clue than you... I've seen no evidence whatsoever to believe your governor is anything special and an image like that does nothing but scare people. It's great to have it just in case sure, but that's not your point in posting it is it? Sure it isn't.
 
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That's great that you can comprehend, but it's people like you and the other guy that need to come to terms with the fact that it's lives vs lives; stay locked down for 18 months because it is what it is, you are going to cost more lives and suffering than you ever could have through doing nothing.

Deferring your judgement to experts and smooth talking lawyers doesn't help you if they are just as incompetent too. When you play follow leader, you better be sure that leader has a better clue than you... I've seen no evidence whatsoever to believe your governor is anything special and an image like that does nothing but scare people. It's great to have it just in case sure, but that's not your point in posting it is it? Sure it isn't.

So who's going to wait for 18 months? It goes away with the heat, right?

I trust the health professionals at UK to be the judge of what they may or may not be needed, not your google skills.
 

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Found this interesting:

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huge reason why I’d like them to announce how many tests performed daily...don’t care about testing results that could be from 10-14 different days, all compiled into one day of results.
 

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Saw in NY that obviously originally, the most severe cases were the only ones allowed to stay in hospital - as they learn more and start lowering the load, they may relax the standards to admit people and continue to take more in (that previously would’ve been left out).

That wouldn’t be a bad strategy here.
 

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Some guy says it on twitter so its obviously true right? ROTFLMAO. I believe the poster above that says he works at UK more than that one guy on twitter who called Beshear going Stalin.... (obviously there is political motive there to go so overboard and over dramatic)


Its better to be over prepared and not need it ..... The lower amount of cases and deaths in KY are a testiment to how well Beshear has handled things.
 

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Some guy says it on twitter so its obviously true right? ROTFLMAO. I believe the poster above that says he works at UK more than that one guy on twitter who called Beshear going Stalin.... (obviously there is political motive there to go so overboard and over dramatic)


Its better to be over prepared and not need it ..... The lower amount of cases and deaths in KY are a testiment to how well Beshear has handled things.
The poster was talking about the hospital, the tweet was about a testing site. I won’t take either as Gospel, but I’ll believe both. And don’t think that only one of them can be true at the same time.

KY is in or near the bottom 10 states in testing per capita (either the demand is low and Beshear did a great job, which would not reconcile with a **** ton more field hospital beds - or we’re not getting the job done on testing), and in the middle of the pack in deaths per capita. Probably due to the health issues of the state, but we aren’t doing all that great in the death category.
 
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WTF is the difference? They have it they were probably still spreading it.

Are you seriously trying to compare South Korea's testing to the US? Plus they had people locked down far more than the US
would ever attempt.

Tell me what percentage have been tested here in the US and Kentucky. Is it even 1 percent?

But lets open it back up so we can add 6 months or more of this ****.
Quit your clucking and cawing, virus fan. South Korea has LESS restrictive measures than Kentucky. South Korea had LESS of a lockdown than most of America. Look 'er up.
 
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Past statistics halfwit...he also said we are nowhere near any type of peak...bottom of the 1st inning and you're calling game over.

Dweeb? [roll]
Nonsense. The projected peak for Kentucky per IMHE (which is actually the website that most of cluckers and cawers cite religiously) is April 28. We're well past the "1st inning". Nationally, we are in the 7th inning per the date from that site.
 

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Nonsense. The projected peak for Kentucky per IMHE (which is actually the website that most of cluckers and cawers cite religiously) is April 28. We're well past the "1st inning". Nationally, we are in the 7th inning per the date from that site.
IHME also projects peak hospitalization resource usage on April 24.

Beds needed - 1524
Beds avail - 6210
4686 excess

ICU need - 299
ICU avail - 448
149 excess

does not include fairgrounds or nutter.
 

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I hope everyone on this thread realizes that the planning and physical work to create what we all hope is excessive capacity did not occur in the last 48 hours with current statistics . . . .

It had to have had at least a two week build, and the first of those two weeks we had a disease showing exponential growth nationally and internationally.

I hope, think and pray we’ve turned a corner in the last 6 days, but regarding the “waste of resources” folks on this thread, my air bag, my seatbelt and my AR-15, are a “waste of resources” until they are needed. And frankly, I hope they won’t be.
 

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IMHE model seems out of whack, right now it is saying Indiana has already peaked and will have 600 total deaths, but KY wont peak for 2 more weeks and will have 900 deaths. Not buying that, but I guess the new testing center we brought on last week is making it look like we are seeing rapid growth but in reality we just increased testing.
 
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Nonsense. The projected peak for Kentucky per IMHE (which is actually the website that most of cluckers and cawers cite religiously) is April 28. We're well past the "1st inning". Nationally, we are in the 7th inning per the date from that site.

Is that a direct quote from herr Limabaugh or did you paraphrase?
 
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IMHE model seems out of whack, right now it is saying Indiana has already peaked and will have 600 total deaths, but KY wont peak for 2 more weeks and will have 900 deaths. Not buying that, but I guess the new testing center we brought on last week is making it look like we are seeing rapid growth but in reality we just increased testing.

Yep. No way that’s correct.
 
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IMHE model seems out of whack, right now it is saying Indiana has already peaked and will have 600 total deaths, but KY wont peak for 2 more weeks and will have 900 deaths. Not buying that, but I guess the new testing center we brought on last week is making it look like we are seeing rapid growth but in reality we just increased testing.
It shows Indiana’s peak before KYs because it lists Indiana with a stay at home on March 25, while it shows Ky does not have a stay at home implemented. Change that input and it would move our peak up in the model...that’s why a lot of people have issues with these models.
 
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Kentucky has not peaked. i work in a Louisville hospital and i have friends that work at others.
271 in hospitals as of 10th. If you believe we aren’t anywhere near a peak then you don’t understand the disease, and I guess he doesn’t either.

The average time it takes to show symptoms is 5 days - the average amount of days from symptom to death is 18 days. If we peak 45-60 days after all schools, bars, restaurants, public gatherings, non essential business have been closed, then he’s putting it in the water.


Kentucky has not peaked. i work in a Louisville hospital and i have friends that work at others.
It's probably 1 to 2 weeks away. Several nursing homes are becoming infected which will drastically increase the number of hospital admissions.
 

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The model says my state would need 416 hospital beds yesterday. The state health department reports 154 hospitalized. The 850 bed hospital where I work is mostly empty. I don’t know if my state has a field hospital set up yet.
 

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Kentucky has 3.2 staffed hospital beds per 1000 (population)...NY has 2.7 and NJ has 2.4.

what’s up?

https://www.beckershospitalreview.c...ed-by-hospital-beds-per-1-000-population.html

Except for DC they're all pretty rural. You need beds, but also need accessible beds. To meet this need you end up with a lot of community access hospitals - rural 25 bed or smaller hospitals that get higher Medicare reimbursement rates to help ensure hospital access, plus more 25-50 and 50-100 bed facilities.

I'm a nurse at UK and I've worked in small town hospitals. No offense to the latter, but of the almost 100 acute care hospitals in Kentucky, most don't have the ICU / negative pressure rooms, vents, or the personnel to deal with critical Covid-19 patients.
 

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No one tells me anything official, and I probably couldn't share if they did; but I'd say the Nutter facility is more likely to allow segregation of the Covid-19 patients and rule outs from the non-Covid patients, plus limit the number of exposed staff, and not necessarily expected to fill up.
 
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The model says my state would need 416 hospital beds yesterday. The state health department reports 154 hospitalized. The 850 bed hospital where I work is mostly empty. I don’t know if my state has a field hospital set up yet.


Many hospitals are trying to keep their census low now so when the surge comes, they will have open beds available.
 

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Kentucky has not peaked. i work in a Louisville hospital and i have friends that work at others.



Kentucky has not peaked. i work in a Louisville hospital and i have friends that work at others.
It's probably 1 to 2 weeks away. Several nursing homes are becoming infected which will drastically increase the number of hospital admissions.
I believe you - we will check back in 2 weeks to see how they are doing. The drops in admissions, icu and intubation drop pretty quickly and dramatically (see NY).

I have a few Lou nurse friends who were still being instructed the peak would be in May just a week or so ago - likely bc state government sees it that way. That’s not the way it has trended in other states.

Also, when I speak of peak, I am meaning peak new...peak total will lag behind since it will be a cumulative factor.
 
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No one tells me anything official, and I probably couldn't share if they did; but I'd say the Nutter facility is more likely to allow segregation of the Covid-19 patients and rule outs from the non-Covid patients, plus limit the number of exposed staff, and not necessarily expected to fill up.

^ Exactly - UK medical said as much, it is overflow to keep our hospitals from being inundated.

Spot on in your other post about rural areas...they could be in a world of hurt...some of those folks
may wind up in Nutter as opposed to hospitals for treatment.
 

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WTF is the difference? They have it they were probably still spreading it.

Are you seriously trying to compare South Korea's testing to the US? Plus they had people locked down far more than the US
would ever attempt.

Tell me what percentage have been tested here in the US and Kentucky. Is it even 1 percent?

But lets open it back up so we can add 6 months or more of this ****.

The US has tested far more than any other country to date in gross numbers. 2,721,510. Yes, if only we were so enlightened as to suspend civil liberties. [eyeroll]
 
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Getting off topic here a bit about testing - but US testing flopped early with the CDC and state labs...new system created has really ramped it up and the targeted approach to hot spots is impressive. NY and Louisiana have tested more than double per capita of South Korea. We actually have 16 states and DC that have tested more per capita than SK.
 
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Which is what around 3/4 of one percent in a nation of 330 million plus an untold amount of others...which is a whole other problem...

Hopefully in 3 weeks, everyone will have access to a test or an antibody test. Recognition of who has it and isolating them is paramount to going back to work.

Large gatherings are DONE until we have a treatment or vaccine.
 
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And your arbitrary percentage goalpost means what in terms of scale? Whine on.

Arbitrary goalpost? Oh, you mean facts?

I'm not the one who's saying the experts are wrong and this is an attempted government takeover. I'm not the one who claims to know more about science than a scientist or that Fauci is an idiot.
 

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I don't know what the right balance is, and not going to go back through this entire thread to parse out who said exactly what, I understand the positions.

But no country can shut down for months on end without terrible consequences of all sorts. Just yesterday evening, I watched the national news (not MSNBC, Fox or CNN) and learned in Los Angeles alone, they estimate 15,000 kids have no access to internet, or no supervision to make sure they are "attending" on line classes. Even my neighbors, who are upper middle class, say that the on line instruction is really going poorly. Multiply that across America and if we shut down all the way until Christmas, how many kids are not going to get educated properly?

As for universities, who wants to be represented by a lawyer that got her degree on line? Or let an online architect and engineer design and build the bridges? Brain surgery on line anyone? And students are of course the segment of the population least likely to have serious effects from the virus.

Economically, if we don't start opening up at least to a degree fairly soon (early to Mid May possibly?), it could make the Great Depression look like a Sunday School picnic. Yes, the Federal government can print money, for a while at least (with potentially terrible consequences, like Germany in the 1920s, where it took a grocery cart full of money to buy a loaf of bread), but cities and states cannot print money. College towns will be crushed, as will much larger cities which depend on tourism, e.g., Orlando, New Orleans (which is a hot spot right now), etc. Crime rates are down for the moment, but that won't last for long in a large depression (the last one produced Al Capone, Bonnie & Clyde, John Dillinger, et al). State budgets are going to be awful, with no money for social services, police, retirement plans, etc., much less any public projects.

Are none of us going to the dentist or general practitioner doctor for the next year or so? What does that do to the health overall of the population? Not to mention depression, and substance abuse caused by isolation for months on end. (Liquor sales are out of sight, so I have read).

I largely support the social distancing protocols put in place, my business is largely working remotely, with predictably terrible productivity, my wife and I are staying in, but the men and women in charge have to be at least thinking about how to restart the country as safely as possible.

While we all want our loved ones to be as safe as reasonably possible, there can be no complete guaranty of safety, everyone has to understand that, I posted in another thread that there are still 7 cases per year in America of the Bubonic Plague. Polio was just eradicated in 2015 and 2017 world wide (depends on which strain you are talking about) and Jonas Salk invented the vaccine in the early 1950s!

In my view, we need to focus on the most vulnerable of our society, e.g., the very elderly in retirement homes, and those with bad health issues.
 

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I don't know what the right balance is, and not going to go back through this entire thread to parse out who said exactly what, I understand the positions.

But no country can shut down for months on end without terrible consequences of all sorts. Just yesterday evening, I watched the national news (not MSNBC, Fox or CNN) and learned in Los Angeles alone, they estimate 15,000 kids have no access to internet, or no supervision to make sure they are "attending" on line classes. Even my neighbors, who are upper middle class, say that the on line instruction is really going poorly. Multiply that across America and if we shut down all the way until Christmas, how many kids are not going to get educated properly?

As for universities, who wants to be represented by a lawyer that got her degree on line? Or let an online architect and engineer design and build the bridges? Brain surgery on line anyone? And students are of course the segment of the population least likely to have serious effects from the virus.

Economically, if we don't start opening up at least to a degree fairly soon (early to Mid May possibly?), it could make the Great Depression look like a Sunday School picnic. Yes, the Federal government can print money, for a while at least (with potentially terrible consequences, like Germany in the 1920s, where it took a grocery cart full of money to buy a loaf of bread), but cities and states cannot print money. College towns will be crushed, as will much larger cities which depend on tourism, e.g., Orlando, New Orleans (which is a hot spot right now), etc. Crime rates are down for the moment, but that won't last for long in a large depression (the last one produced Al Capone, Bonnie & Clyde, John Dillinger, et al). State budgets are going to be awful, with no money for social services, police, retirement plans, etc., much less any public projects.

Are none of us going to the dentist or general practitioner doctor for the next year or so? What does that do to the health overall of the population? Not to mention depression, and substance abuse caused by isolation for months on end. (Liquor sales are out of sight, so I have read).

I largely support the social distancing protocols put in place, my business is largely working remotely, with predictably terrible productivity, my wife and I are staying in, but the men and women in charge have to be at least thinking about how to restart the country as safely as possible.

While we all want our loved ones to be as safe as reasonably possible, there can be no complete guaranty of safety, everyone has to understand that, I posted in another thread that there are still 7 cases per year in America of the Bubonic Plague. Polio was just eradicated in 2015 and 2017 world wide (depends on which strain you are talking about) and Jonas Salk invented the vaccine in the early 1950s!

In my view, we need to focus on the most vulnerable of our society, e.g., the very elderly in retirement homes, and those with bad health issues.
Nailed it
 
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Once peaks have passed and we are well onto the downside of the curve, businesses will slowky reopen with rules in place to help prevent another peak. Antibody tests will help in determining this as well.

Social distancing will probably continue in businesses for the short term.
 
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No one tells me anything official, and I probably couldn't share if they did; but I'd say the Nutter facility is more likely to allow segregation of the Covid-19 patients and rule outs from the non-Covid patients, plus limit the number of exposed staff, and not necessarily expected to fill up.
Exactly kritalalcat. From what I've been told, that's exactly the plan for Nutter.

As an aside, the other day I had a visitor ask me "what is REALLY going on?" I asked him what he meant by that, and he replied that the hospital was a "ghost town". Of course, no one is allowed to stay in any public area, and that alone makes it appear that UK is in fact a "ghost town". He went on to blabber about he knew the "truth", that this Covid was just a big hoax carried out by our government. At that point I just began walking away, because you can't have intelligent discourse with stupid people. As I was walking away he asked me if it wasn't a hoax then I could tell him the number of Covid patients we currently have in the hospital. I told the man to have a nice day and continued on my way, which he of course took to mean that I "was in on it", since I wouldn't answer his question.

The sheer stupidity of some people still amazes me, and I see it every day at work, as I'm sure you do as well.
 

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I saw these numbers in the Kentucky.com article. Is there anywhere that has the breakout of the daily numbers from each hospital in Kentucky like this and number of cases tested with positive and negative counts?