O.T. J. B. Holmes
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JB gets a pass from players because he is a good guy but also has some clout because he has won several times (5 events now) and a Ryder Cup. Plus, he is one of the longest hitters on tour. Most pros are lucky to win 1-2 tournaments their entire career so a guy who has won 5 times now gets a respect card in the locker room.
That said, there is no doubt he is very slow, but until they put him on the clock and the tour starts cracking down on slow play then its not his issue.
That said, there is no doubt he is very slow, but until they put him on the clock and the tour starts cracking down on slow play then its not his issue.
This is a spot on post.
I love J.B. In fact, I’ve been attending the Memorial every year since “98, I follow him for every shot for 2 days or 4 days.
I’ve also been to all the Majors and a few other tournaments as well, and if I always follow him if he’s playing.
That being said, the one thing that kind of bothers me, is he’s not doing his pre shot routine/homework while his partner/partners are hitting. And since he’s long, and hitting last a lot of times, this could be avoided if he would be ready to hit when it’s his turn.
But, as you said so eloquently, he’s not breaking any current PGA rules or guidelines.
JB has "only" won 5 times, but IMO, he has some impressive titles to his name Phoenix (twice), Houston, Wells Fargo and now the LA Open. Those are well above average caliber fields as a whole in those tournaments.
Think you have nailed it. This is really a great point. A lot of the stuff he could do pre shot before he gets up there. He does not do his pre shot while partners are playing this rubs many the wrong way, Peter Kostis said this yesterday when he was on greens. JB is almost always last guy to hit in group.
This is not Jack Nicklaus walking around hole and reading the grain etc.. This is slow and methodical. His pre shot routine is done when last guy hits. Most on tour when you watch they are almost ready when last guy hits, usually getting club out of bag and a few waggles ready to go.
If he was not a nice guy then there would be full revolt.
LA alone is a great event. The Wells Fargo is one of toughest courses and had big time winners. You beat a great field in each. LA is vaunted below the 4 majors and players as one you want to win.
Most want to win at Pebble. It is an old time shot makers course that all golfers want to win and if you have this on resume then real shot maker-old time course that Hogan and others loved.
Interesting that Kostis said it. I was watching with the sound down because the Wife was watching a show on the other tv.
It's not that hard to play ready golf - especially for these guys who are all walking to their own ball and have time to get ready while other players are going through pre shot routines. Spieth is really bad too. Brooks Koepka has come out pretty hard recently against slow play. He plays fast, and has won 3 majors, so it's obviously possible. Adam Scott is right though, it's tough to put all the blame on the players when the PGA just allows it to happen. The sad thing is, a lot of people who play golf also watch it a lot on TV and pick up the bad habits. I've played way too many 5+ hour rounds due to slow play. It sucks.
Wished J.B. would play faster. It is painful to watch him at times. The beef many have is he doesn't prepare to hit the ball until his playing partner is finished. Still cheer for him and also J.T. J.T. is going to be a star for many years.
Having said that, the golf twitter world and golf media world are a whining bunch that seems to love drama. To make slow play the only story is ridiculous and to try to take away from J.B.'s win is ridiculous. Heard reports that they had to wait much of the day for the group in front of them. The Kuchar/caddie controversy was obnoxious too.
Having said that, the golf twitter world and golf media world are a whining bunch that seems to love drama. To make slow play the only story is ridiculous and to try to take away from J.B.'s win is ridiculous. Heard reports that they had to wait much of the day for the group in front of them. The Kuchar/caddie controversy was obnoxious too.
He's laughing all the way to the bank this week, while your crying about him......he wins yet again.
It's funny that Jason Day is slow AF but nobody ever says a word about him, especially not Nick Faldo...you know, them both being international and all.
JB shut em' all up Sunday!
JB shut em' all up Sunday!
Why do you take it so personal when people have a discussion over Holmes' slow play? It's pretty odd.
Day is every bit as slow as JB.
You’re right, the announcers never call him out for it.
The slowest player on tour is Patrick Cantley.
He makes JB and Day look like Matt Jones.
Oh, by the way, Jordan Spieth is every bit as slow as Holmes is.
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J.B. is still paying for last year at Torrey Pines where he took 4 minutes to decide whether to go for the green or lay up. It was very windy that day too. The fact that he ultimately laid up only compounded the frustration and was all the golf twitter world needed to do their typical over reaction. They were even claiming J.B. did that to hurt Noren when there was no proof of that at all. But for that incident last year I wonder if much would have been made of this past Sunday because it seemed they were all playing slow. Hope J.B. speeds it up but will still want him to win regardless.