Oak Park and River Forest High School: We'll close the achievement gap if it hairlips everybody on Bear Creek

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I spent a good 15 minutes making sure it wasn't a parody article. Because frankly, I couldn't actually believe it.

"OPRF will order its teachers to exclude from their grading assessments variables it says disproportionally hurt the grades of black students. They can no longer be docked for missing class, misbehaving in school or failing to turn in their assignments, according to the plan."

We are 1 or 2 years away from watering our crops with Gatorade, because plants need electrolytes....
 

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It's a genius move. Why waste a lot of time addressing root causes and doing all that, you know, WORK, when you can just SAY it's gone.



https://westcooknews.com/stories/62...e-based-grading-system-in-2022-23-school-year
A far-right newspaper and website funded by a Republican Super PAC . . . that’s a quality source for unbiased news:

The paper, West Cook News, and its corresponding website, is one of six new papers created by conservative Chicago talk-show host Dan Proft’s Liberty Principles Super PAC. The papers are produced in partnership with River Forest media entrepreneur Brian Timpone, founder of BlockShopper and the former Journatic, LLC– now called LocalLabs, LLC.
 

IdaCat

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Not surprising at all. It's standard leftist doctrine. And the naive, ignorant morons still don't know why rational people find DIE so disgusting and destructive.
 
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A far-right newspaper and website funded by a Republican Super PAC . . . that’s a quality source for unbiased news:

The paper, West Cook News, and its corresponding website, is one of six new papers created by conservative Chicago talk-show host Dan Proft’s Liberty Principles Super PAC. The papers are produced in partnership with River Forest media entrepreneur Brian Timpone, founder of BlockShopper and the former Journatic, LLC– now called LocalLabs, LLC.
So you're saying this isn't true. That it is a falsehood, published by a right wing rag and that these administrators are not going to actually do this?

I hope you're right, because it isn't actually helping anyone.
 

vhcat70

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A far-right newspaper and website funded by a Republican Super PAC . . . that’s a quality source for unbiased news:

The paper, West Cook News, and its corresponding website, is one of six new papers created by conservative Chicago talk-show host Dan Proft’s Liberty Principles Super PAC. The papers are produced in partnership with River Forest media entrepreneur Brian Timpone, founder of BlockShopper and the former Journatic, LLC– now called LocalLabs, LLC.
So therefore, is what they wrote a gross mischaracterization of the truth - or not?
 
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vhcat70

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So you're saying this isn't true. That it is a falsehood, published by a right wing rag and that these administrators are not going to actually do this.

I hope you're right, because it isn't actually helping anyone.
I hope it is true because it helps everyone by exposing race-based nonsense.
 
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I tried to make sure that this isn't a parody article. But let's be honest, it sure does look like one.

If it is, I apologize for starting trouble.
 

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So you're saying this isn't true. That it is a falsehood, published by a right wing rag and that these administrators are not going to actually do this?

I hope you're right, because it isn't actually helping anyone.
It’s an agenda driven piece written for one purpose . . . to foster white anger. From your reply, I’d say it worked and their PAC money was well spent.
 
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I welcome the facts. If they're NOT doing this, please share. I don't want to spread misinformation. And contrary to your feelings about me, I think this HARMS black children. And I am most assuredly not for that.

If it's true, I would be highly offended if I were black.

But if all you're going to do is shoot the messenger, then I would welcome you to go **** yourself. Your prejudice showing loud and clear.
 
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I spent a good 15 minutes making sure it wasn't a parody article. Because frankly, I couldn't actually believe it.

"OPRF will order its teachers to exclude from their grading assessments variables it says disproportionally hurt the grades of black students. They can no longer be docked for missing class, misbehaving in school or failing to turn in their assignments, according to the plan."

We are 1 or 2 years away from watering our crops with Gatorade, because plants need electrolytes....
Everything always has to be restructured because of the failure of black students. Standards have to be lowered or done away with. Honors disappear. You can no longer fail. Bonus points on SATs (while penalizing another race for being too smart). Also, get rid of the SATs and ACTs. Curriculum has to change. Mandated scholarships and admissions. More money has to be poured into their schools. Also, let's bus them across town in the name of equity and diversity so they will get better grades.

There's a million excuses made. Never mind that other kids of different races are great academically. Everything has to change to accommodate the feelings. Never ending problems, constant demands, and perpetual helplessness to explain away why literally everyone else can succeed.
 
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TortElvisII

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It’s an agenda driven piece written for one purpose . . . to foster white anger. From your reply, I’d say it worked and their PAC money was well spent.


Always hate it when actual quotes are used rather than explained away.
 
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1. There is a slideshow linked: https://go.boarddocs.com/il/oprfhs/...Development and Grading BOE Presentation_.pdf

2. It has mention to a book Grading for Equity.

3. This is an excerpt from an interview with the author.

Joe Feldman: I'll start with talking about a common practice that perpetuates inequities and what to do instead. One example is the traditional idea that we average a student's performance over time. And actually grade book software does this by default. If you imagine students do some homework, and then they do a quiz or two, and then there's some summit of assessment or test at the end of some unit.

The way that we traditionally grade those things is that we assign point values for all those things, and students score a certain number of them out of a certain number of possible. Then we add up all those numbers and divide the number earned by the number possible. What that is doing is it's averaging all of the performances together into a single grade.

The problem with that, is that for the student who does well from the very beginning and gets A's on everything, their performance is fine, their average is an A, but for the student who struggles at the beginning and gets very low grades, D's and C's and even F's as they are in the process of learning, and even on early quizzes when they demonstrate mastery on the test and let's say they get an A on the test, because they have those earlier grades that ostensibly were for assignments and assessments that were on the path to learning, that they were supposed to learn from, and that they weren't even supposed to have learned everything yet, when we include those early scores, it pulls down the final grades, so it actually misrepresents the level of mastery that a student has ultimately demonstrated.

The reason why that's so inequitable, is that for the student who, before coming to class, attended summer workshops or had parents who gave them a much richer educational environment because they had the time, and the education, and the money, or the students who had a great teacher the year before, they're going to come in at the beginning of that unit and do much better, and the student who hasn't had those resources and privileges is going to start lower. When you average a student's performance over time, you are actually perpetuating those disparities that occurred before that student came into your class. The alternative then, is that you wouldn't include earlier performances. You would only include in the grade how a student did at the end of their learning, not to include the mistakes they made in the process.

https://www.gse.harvard.edu/news/19/12/harvard-edcast-grading-equity

4. I'm sure the school board is implementing this as the way the author laid it out.
 

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So you're saying this isn't true. That it is a falsehood, published by a right wing rag and that these administrators are not going to actually do this?

I hope you're right, because it isn't actually helping anyone.
He’s probably more concerned about where you get your information. I rarely agree with you but I do get the impression you are a smart guy.
 

funKYcat75

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They’re saying the quiet parts out loud.

Some school in FCPS did a similar type of thing a few years ago only counting test grades, and homework was not graded or included in the final score. You earned multiple tries at an assessment by doing homework though. It was weird and I don’t know if it’s still going on or not. Seems like it was at Bryan Station.

edit: here’s the link

A-F grading scale’s days are numbered, I’d say.
 

TortElvisII

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nail - I'm not sure if that as directed at me, or maybe I'm misunderstanding your point.

I provided an actual quote, so...
Not at you. Bushrod hates actual quotes. He wants a writer to explain it away as not meaning what it says. General Kong is in reference to hairlipping everyone on Bear Creek.

Sorry for the confusion.
 
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He’s probably more concerned about where you get your information. I rarely agree with you but I do get the impression you are a smart guy.
I mean, I get that, but if the information is accurate then well, I don't know what to say other than that is a rather odd thing to worry about.
 

Joerules19

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They’re saying the quiet parts out loud.

Some school in FCPS did a similar type of thing a few years ago only counting test grades, and homework was not graded or included in the final score. You earned multiple tries at an assessment by doing homework though. It was weird and I don’t know if it’s still going on or not. Seems like it was at Bryan Station.

edit: here’s the link

A-F grading scale’s days are numbered, I’d say.
I teach (not Kentucky or inner city) and I think this is the way education is headed everywhere. Already see bits and pieces of it showing up at a predominantly white suburban school
 
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1. There is a slideshow linked: https://go.boarddocs.com/il/oprfhs/Board.nsf/files/CELJGA4D1599/$file/Professional Development and Grading BOE Presentation_.pdf

2. It has mention to a book Grading for Equity.

3. This is an excerpt from an interview with the author.

Joe Feldman: I'll start with talking about a common practice that perpetuates inequities and what to do instead. One example is the traditional idea that we average a student's performance over time. And actually grade book software does this by default. If you imagine students do some homework, and then they do a quiz or two, and then there's some summit of assessment or test at the end of some unit.

The way that we traditionally grade those things is that we assign point values for all those things, and students score a certain number of them out of a certain number of possible. Then we add up all those numbers and divide the number earned by the number possible. What that is doing is it's averaging all of the performances together into a single grade.

The problem with that, is that for the student who does well from the very beginning and gets A's on everything, their performance is fine, their average is an A, but for the student who struggles at the beginning and gets very low grades, D's and C's and even F's as they are in the process of learning, and even on early quizzes when they demonstrate mastery on the test and let's say they get an A on the test, because they have those earlier grades that ostensibly were for assignments and assessments that were on the path to learning, that they were supposed to learn from, and that they weren't even supposed to have learned everything yet, when we include those early scores, it pulls down the final grades, so it actually misrepresents the level of mastery that a student has ultimately demonstrated.

The reason why that's so inequitable, is that for the student who, before coming to class, attended summer workshops or had parents who gave them a much richer educational environment because they had the time, and the education, and the money, or the students who had a great teacher the year before, they're going to come in at the beginning of that unit and do much better, and the student who hasn't had those resources and privileges is going to start lower. When you average a student's performance over time, you are actually perpetuating those disparities that occurred before that student came into your class. The alternative then, is that you wouldn't include earlier performances. You would only include in the grade how a student did at the end of their learning, not to include the mistakes they made in the process.

https://www.gse.harvard.edu/news/19/12/harvard-edcast-grading-equity

4. I'm sure the school board is implementing this as the way the author laid it out.
I can get the logic behind that interview excerpt, I'd never really thought about school in that way. It's kind of a sports-centric way of looking at it when you think about it.

Like the regular season is all prep for the playoffs, and then the teams that are doing the best in the playoffs typically get the furthest in the playoffs. If you do well early but can't put it together late, well then your results suffer because you haven't mastered the game as well as others. If you struggle early but excel late, then you typically excel in the playoffs (if you get there, that is).

See this year's Boston Celtics as an example. They were 11th in the East heading into the 2022 calendar year, now they are playing for the championship. Phoenix Suns were the best team in the NBA by a wide margin in the regular season but then **** the bed in the playoffs.

IF one that struggled at the beginning can show at the end of the term that they know and understand the content just as well as the person who excelled from the start, I can understand giving them an equal grade. The whole point of it is learning, if at the end they both have learned just as well, looks like the goal was accomplished.

Don't think race should have any factor here, though from the excerpt I don't see anything where it says it should be based on race.
 

TortElvisII

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This will have the opposite effect of what is hoped. Lower expectations will cause the high scoring kids to say screw it. Socialist mind set. It doesn't work.
 
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Kaizer Sosay

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"OPRF will order its teachers to exclude from their grading assessments variables it says disproportionally hurt the grades of black students. They can no longer be docked for missing class, misbehaving in school or failing to turn in their assignments, according to the plan."

I haven’t read the article yet but I will however address the quote above...

We are talking about HS kids. They’re not going to dock them for missing class or for failing to turn in assignments. Fine, so it’s going to be like college where the professors DGAF if you go to class. I don’t really have a problem with that in theory other than this...how many kids who are already struggling in school are going to do better on the end of the course exam if they don’t go to class and don’t do the homework? That’s not going to end very well. Especially in math classes.

MS & HS kids are forced to go to class & to do the homework so that they can keep up with the material. It’s also the time for them to develop good study habits. Grading homework at those ages is meant to give an incentive to do those things...it also gives a kid a chance to get a decent grade even if they don’t score well on the tests.

Again, I’m fine with the concept but I don’t think it’s going to end well for kids already struggling...especially in situations where there is little to no encouragement from a student’s parent(s) to do well in school. I think this deal is going to hurt the kids it is targeting more than it will help.

Also, not docking kids for misbehaving in school is a disaster waiting to happen...unless you have some other means of reprimanding them. Corporal punishment was banned decades ago. So what’s left?
 

cricket3

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They’re saying the quiet parts out loud.

Some school in FCPS did a similar type of thing a few years ago only counting test grades, and homework was not graded or included in the final score. You earned multiple tries at an assessment by doing homework though. It was weird and I don’t know if it’s still going on or not. Seems like it was at Bryan Station.

edit: here’s the link

A-F grading scale’s days are numbered, I’d say.
In what fantasy world are there these kids who ace tests but do awful on or never turn in homework that leads to them failing? I’m sure there are kids who don’t do daily work that still pass tests but they’re most likely B and C students.

If kids are failing it’s because they’re not doing daily work AND failing tests.
 

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According to this, it's fake
 

Ron Mehico

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I had several classes in college where the only grade was the final exam and they were the most brutal and stressful classes I can remember. That’s a ton of pressure, especially for a 12 year old. That Harvard guy quoted has his head in the clouds. His reasoning sounds fine I guess but there is no approach in reality that can demonstrate that. It assumes full effort and consistent study from the student without incentivizing it regularly which is completely unrealistic and goes against human nature.
 
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According to this, it's fake
Nothing to see here.

How many yards will Levis throw for this year?
 
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