I wonder if we would have any shot at Tommy Lloyd or if he is just happy as a west coast guy.
Oats and Pearl were never offered
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Because he knew he wasn't going to be offered. That's how coaches who want to be perceived as elite, maintain that reputation.Why do we always ignore that Oats himself states that he took himself out of consideration for the Kentucky job without needing it to be offered? He actually cited specific reasons: his family likes being in Tuscaloosa, he believes he can build Alabama as a contender, and he stated that while he likes the idea of high expectations, he acknowledged that the fans turning so quickly was something he finds unattractive. Furthermore, fans seemed to be pretty well in agreement on this back when it happened and now we retcon it, as always, as though he would have happily accepted but we said no. Here’s a sea of blue article from the summer of 2024. Notice how different the viewpoints of fans were at that point.
Friday Headlines: Why Nate Oats passed on Kentucky Basketball
Completely understandable.www.aseaofblue.com
Personally, I love Nate Oats and wanted him here the first time. He’s an analytics guy, builds the types of rosters that I believe can win at the highest level and has a quiet confidence about him. I don’t think he’s going to be a Wildcat, though.
The went to the FF and E8 in back to back years. Isn't that winning "something"?
We will see…
I’m going to be hoping Golden wants the smoke. Maybe we can have a few co-eds tag along for the interview
There were plenty of guys we could have offered. Dusty May had been to a final four (way better than anything pope had done), we see how he is working out for Michigan now. Tommy Lloyd like poster mentions below ... and so many others. Mitch Barnhart just sucks and is an idiot and hired somebody not qualified to take the reigns of the most historic basketball program in the nation..
we didn't ask him so we will never know... Mitch went Hurley, Scott f'n Drew then straight to Pope... .ridiculous.
Thanks it’s one of the points I was trying to make, but I didn’t want to Hijack the thread. Joseph Smith started a cult and 200 years later not only is it thriving but people are now calling them Christians.
Bruce Pearl had only won one tournament games in the last 5 years which completely disqualifies him with this fanbase. He was also the subject of an FBI investigation, was suspended for nit promoting an atmosphere of compliance, and had an assistant coach go to prison.
Pearl made that move to see his son move up to head coach. I get it. But I think he has more years in him and he would crush it at UK. I hope he gets a call.
i promise you that’s not the case. Nate is good friend and i spoke with him that night
no offense and i understand kentuckys basketball history etc but since nate has been at bama he has had the better program. In the world that exists today he can accomplish everything at bama he could at kentucky. Nate is pretty settled into tuscaloosa. His oldest is finishing up at bama..his middle will be attending in next year or so and he also has a young daughter. His ex-wife is settled in Tuscaloosa. Leaving would not be easy. And i know he is happy and enjoys tuscaloosa.
I promise you, Nathanael Justin Oats is actually a good friend of mine, and I spoke with him those days and he said UK never called. I also spoke with him this morning and he said he doesn't know you and you're making up stuff. He told me when Kentucky calls he will take the job in the future, as well as Kansas or UNC.
The charade is up troll. You dont know Nate. He has been married 30 years and is not divorced.
And he wouod have went after Mike Brey and Tom Crean over Calipari had it not been for Mike Pratt and alumni.
He likes to send d*ck pics.We will see…
I’m going to be hoping Golden wants the smoke. Maybe we can have a few co-eds tag along for the interview
We need an AD like that first. Unfortunately it sounds like as soon as Mitch is gone, his right hand is taking over so we can expect much the same unless we replace the president and board too
You could have had Pope in 2 weeks after Cal left. Mitch could have taken swings at other candidates like Pearl and Billy Donovan then went to Pope after the other candidates said no. He didn't have to go to him right after Scott Drew turned it down.
I would have much preferred a 4-5 year Pitino run with Pope as an assistant and successor.
I would have much preferred a 4-5 year Pitino run with Pope as an assistant and successor.
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Ridiculous how many people believe the nonsense. Neither of those guys were offered and weren’t going to be. We’ve got a sackless AD
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Oats will likely be the next coach at UK barring someone else being ready at that time that looks better. Golden wants to be in the NBA he wouldn’t be a good hire here. He’s eyeballing the league and will probably be in it in the next 2-4 years.
Cosches always say these things. They always link their name to the job then pretend the don’t want it. Always for recruiting purposes and to build their name as part of the best. Still, some people listen to coach speak year after year I don’t know why.
Calipari literally said Memphis is where I want to be. He was asked before then and said Memphis is my home. I was in college at UM at that time and know former Memphis players and friends and family are UM. Everyone said he wouldn’t leave and laughed at it. One of his former players said Calipari despised the SEC their fans and the league in general. Also “He’s got an NBA arena here, Lexington can’t attract black recruits the way Memphis can, his kids are ingrained there yada yada yada. Gary Parrish said he wouldn’t leave to the media then told some people in secret Cal is lying he’d crawl over broken glass to get to Kentucky. There are reasons these people say what they say. Oats said he thought about it signaling he’s interested but then had to end it good for the current job. Oats wouldn’t likely turn UK down. Reading between the lines, as soon as he found out we weren’t going to offer he jumped up and said all of this to link himself to it for recruiting. Then, he brings it back up later or the conversation is had to signal he “has thought about it” meaning hello Kentucky, still here.
Alabama’s job is really bad and their basketball NIL is not great either. You’re famous for life here these coaches love getting here. Don’t let’m fool ya.
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If this year is a 15 win or so season and we go to heck, just remember there is more than likely a new AD before next season. Depending on the new AD, Pope's tenure ends after this year or next. I honestly think he has 3 years total here no matter what. If year 3 is the same as year 2, then he's done.
Does the OP know that Pearl retired from coaching? Now maybe he quit Auburn so that his son would get the job. But if so, going to UK would not have resulted in Auburn handing his son the job.
People don't think before they post. Whining about not offering a coach who literally just retired. Ignorance is strong with that one.
Cal said he asked Ellen after Tubby left if Kentucky called while he was out. He wanted the job all along.
If pope only wins 15 games this year and we miss the tournament, he should not get a 3rd year.
Pope wasn't even on my long list of like 10 coaches who we should go after, but Pitino was down there at the bottom as stop gap, last ditch effort if we couldn't find anybody. Sign him for 5 years and he retires into the sunset and so on. I don't care for Pitino, but he can coach for damn sure, and I don't understand why we skipped over so many coaches that would have taken the job in a heart beat, that all had better resumes than Pope.
The only explanation is our AD is an idiot.
Yup, even in 2007 Mitch was just a terrible AD , and couldn't make the Ballsy hires without somebody putting his hand to a flame.
Unless it’s Kenny Payne level bad, I can’t see how they move coaches. You just paid big money to change football coaches within the last week. There will come some people to say how I’m wrong and we can just snap fingers and boosters wanna drop tens of millions within a couple months of each other, but it ain’t happening. At least we got the dink and dunk coordinator to replace the greatest football coach we’ve had in 50 years though. He’s friends with the KSR producer so you should be happy with that.
LMFAO .... The dink and dunk coordinator has probably been the best offensive coordinator in college the last few years. National media applauding the hire. Stoops had to go, if anything keeping Stoops would have hurt the entire athletic department. Fans were not going to show up next year if they ran it back with Stoops. Also, football is not going to hurt basketball. It's the greatest basketball program ever. If Pope continues to stink it up, he will be gone.
It’s actually a lot worse even than that. On the surface they have those differences and other similar ones. But if you spend a really long time talking with them (months, I did, trying to reach a group of their missionaries) and if you ask the right questions, they’ll eventually admit to you that the reason they are able to believe all those other weird things even though they claim to believe the Bible (which is incompatible with all those things) is that they have very specific and strange definitions for words like sin, lies, life, truth, salvation, God, etc.
Those definitions themselves are not compatible with Christianity. Mormonism is a very sad and misleading cult that is nearly impossible for its members to escape because of all the brainwashing. It is not Christianity and it is not anything close.
If you want a cult that’s more or less Christian try Seventh Day Adventism. They believe freaky things like for example the Mark of The Beast is going to church on Sunday. But they also do believe the basics of the triune Judeo-Christian God creating and ruling all things in perfect love and sinless perfection and God The Father sending God The Son to be born as human and die to make a way to Heaven for human hearts dead in sin as we all are without Him, because His willingly blood was the only thing powerful enough to clean our dirty little souls with our free will intact, something He considers precious enough to die for, and what we get when we choose to accept His offer: “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me [and only Him]. For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul?”
You realize he has a lot more championships and tourney runs recently that would buy him a lot more goodwill plus he can recruit. They may lose, but they sure are fun to watch. He certainly doesn’t look like he’s in over his head that is for sure.
Pope's buyout is 33% of what is remaining. You don't think we could pay $7.75 mil buyout to fire him after this year?
Here's the possibly wrong math but close enough: He makes 5 million a year plus 250,000 more each additional year. He got an extra year for a sweet 16 appearance (another dumb mitch blunder that many of us complained about being stupid). If my math is correct, probably not:
years 3 he is owed $5.5 mil,
year 4 - $5.75 mil,
year 5- $6 mil,
year 6 - $6.25 mil.
Total $23.5 mil x 0.33 = $7.755 mil buyout currently if fired after this year.
You have to think about it like this. You aren’t just paying a buyout. You’re also going to have to pay for a new coach…and you can bet your tail, it would be a more established coach which is gonna be much more expensive. Given the job instability, a top coach is going to want heavy guarantees and big money. Also, most of this roster would be gone. You’d have to put out a massive NIL warchest to ensure the new coach has an elite team, because fans are not going to give another coach any patience whatsoever. So, no, I absolutely do not think it’s happening, even if we win 15 games. It’d have to be a 2021 level year before I’d even think we’d be willing to do it. Everytime you spend big, you’re cutting into your future budgeting, so no I disagree with everyone saying we can just do that.
You and I both have been exceptionally understated on this. I hate hijacking the thread. If people would just start reading about Joseph Smith, the foundation of Mormonism and the “education” they are given no one would confuse Christians and Mormons.
Sorry for hijacking the thread.
Oats also pulled his name early on, Pearl was never going to get an offer because of his past infractions.
