Obama wiretapping claim: US Justice Department says 'no comment' whether Donald Trump is being inves

[moe]

A US law professor has said Mr Trump’s unsubstantiated claims could be a “major scandal” that “could get the current President impeached,” if proven false.

Bloomberg. “If the alleged action would be impeachable if true, so must be the allegation if false." “Given how great the executive’s power is, accusations by the President can’t be treated asymmetrically,” Harvard Law School professor Noah Feldman wrote in an article for Bloomberg. “If the alleged action would be impeachable if true, so must be the allegation if false.

“Anything else would give the President the power to distort democracy by calling his opponents criminals without ever having to prove it.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-wiretapping-claim-us-justice-173132090.html

 

[TarHeelEer]

A US law professor has said Mr Trump’s unsubstantiated claims could be a “major scandal” that “could get the current President impeached,” if proven false.

Bloomberg. “If the alleged action would be impeachable if true, so must be the allegation if false." “Given how great the executive’s power is, accusations by the President can’t be treated asymmetrically,” Harvard Law School professor Noah Feldman wrote in an article for Bloomberg. “If the alleged action would be impeachable if true, so must be the allegation if false.

“Anything else would give the President the power to distort democracy by calling his opponents criminals without ever having to prove it.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-wiretapping-claim-us-justice-173132090.html

Saying a whole lot without saying a thing. Next!

 

[lenny4wvu]

A US law professor has said Mr Trump’s unsubstantiated claims could be a “major scandal” that “could get the current President impeached,” if proven false.

Bloomberg. “If the alleged action would be impeachable if true, so must be the allegation if false." “Given how great the executive’s power is, accusations by the President can’t be treated asymmetrically,” Harvard Law School professor Noah Feldman wrote in an article for Bloomberg. “If the alleged action would be impeachable if true, so must be the allegation if false.

“Anything else would give the President the power to distort democracy by calling his opponents criminals without ever having to prove it.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-wiretapping-claim-us-justice-173132090.html

"Our opponents" ARE CRIMINALS! !.Have you forgot about EVERYTHING THE SOCIALIST MAGGOTS DO AND STAND FOR?!!

 

[dave]

A US law professor has said Mr Trump’s unsubstantiated claims could be a “major scandal” that “could get the current President impeached,” if proven false.

Bloomberg. “If the alleged action would be impeachable if true, so must be the allegation if false." “Given how great the executive’s power is, accusations by the President can’t be treated asymmetrically,” Harvard Law School professor Noah Feldman wrote in an article for Bloomberg. “If the alleged action would be impeachable if true, so must be the allegation if false.

“Anything else would give the President the power to distort democracy by calling his opponents criminals without ever having to prove it.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-wiretapping-claim-us-justice-173132090.html

How would that impeaxhment work trollboy?

 

[mneilmont]

A US law professor has said Mr Trump’s unsubstantiated claims could be a “major scandal” that “could get the current President impeached,” if proven false.

Bloomberg. “If the alleged action would be impeachable if true, so must be the allegation if false." “Given how great the executive’s power is, accusations by the President can’t be treated asymmetrically,” Harvard Law School professor Noah Feldman wrote in an article for Bloomberg. “If the alleged action would be impeachable if true, so must be the allegation if false.

“Anything else would give the President the power to distort democracy by calling his opponents criminals without ever having to prove it.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-wiretapping-claim-us-justice-173132090.html

Remember the story about a frog and "if"? There are so many angles offered prefaced by "if", that no reasonable person would put any faith in the theory of a teaching lawyer.

 

[moe]

Remember the story about a frog and "if"? There are so many angles offered prefaced by "if", that no reasonable person would put any faith in the theory of a teaching lawyer.

Who knows what they'll find or if what the professor says is legit but I like his angle.

 

[atlkvb]

Who knows what they'll find or if what the professor says is legit but I like his angle.

moe you're so desperate for them to find Trump "guilty" of something I think you'll turn into a giant orgasm if they ever do.

Just be patient my Man, sooner or later he's bound to do something you can impeach him on. Like maybe making America Great again? That's criminal behavior to the Left you did know that didn't you moe?

He can't do THAT! The Left doesn't think America ever was great, so obviously if Trump lies and says it's great "again" he can be impeached over that or for even trying make it happen I would think?

So hang on there moe, you just may get your wish if Trump manages to get the country turned around with more jobs, safer streets, a secure border, a stronger military, reduced taxes & deficits and happy people.

Time to call in the FBI and investigate him for fraud if any or all of that happens.

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

Saying a whole lot without saying a thing. Next!

I don't understand you. Whether you agree with Trump's politics or not, his statement was reckless at best and possibly impeachable. Something is seriously wrong with Trump

 

[dave]

Who knows what they'll find or if what the professor says is legit but I like his angle.

Well....you like his angle kinda says it all dipshit.

 

[dave]

I don't understand you. Whether you agree with Trump's politics or not, his statement was reckless at best and possibly impeachable. Something is seriously wrong with Trump

How is his statement impeachable? Someone was listening to the phone calls at Trump tower. Who else was it if not the Obama admin? He forced the media to tell everyone who and why and at the same time determine if leakers were felons. If reporters are passing on info from illega sources the can be compelled to give up their source ot be held in contempt.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I don't understand you. Whether you agree with Trump's politics or not, his statement was reckless at best and possibly impeachable. Something is seriously wrong with Trump

It wasn't reckless at all. As Dems have made the claim in the past, if it happens in Gov't while you are the President, you're responsible. Ipso-facto, The Obama Administration was using the power of the Gov't to investigate an opposition party candidate and his organization. Pieces of that investigation are leaked to the press.

 

[atlkvb]

It wasn't reckless at all. As Dems have made the claim in the past, if it happens in Gov't while you are the President, you're responsible. Ipso-facto, The Obama Administration was using the power of the Gov't to investigate an opposition party candidate and his organization. Pieces of that investigation are leaked to the press.

I don't know why the Left would be so surprised to learn if Obama or someone else in the Administration's Justice department ordered surveillance on Trump. He was unmistakable Political opposition to them.

Don't they remember how the IRS was snooping around on the tax exempt claims of the Religious based 501(c)3s?

Who ordered that witch hunt?

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I don't know why the Left would so surprised to learn if Obama or someone else in the Administration's Justice department ordered surveillance on Trump. He was unmistakable Political opposition to them.

Don't they remember how the IRS was snooping around on the tax exempt claims of the Religious based 501(c)3s?

Who ordered that witch hunt?

The bottom line, an investigation occurred, that's clear. Regardless of how good of a job the left did at owning the narrative, Trump's tweet blew that all to hell. It was an unprecedented move I don't think they were anticipating because it was a lightning rod. Now, doesn't matter the reality of the involvement of the White House. This legitimately could be something official and with cause, it could be a lower level leftist true believers, it doesn't matter. The optics are the sitting administration was utilizing the resources of the USG and investigating the Presidential front runner of an opposition party. The irony is that is exactly a Putin-esque maneuver and left are the ones currently Red Baiting the hell out of everyone in true McCarthyism style.

 

[dave]

And if you have noticed the media has all but stopped talking about Russia ties outside of that moron wannabe stick ***** Maddow.

 

[atlkvb]

The bottom line, an investigation occurred, that's clear. Regardless of how good of a job the left did at owning the narrative, Trump's tweet blew that all to hell. It was an unprecedented move I don't think they were anticipating because it was a lightning rod. Now, doesn't matter the reality of the involvement of the White House. This legitimately could be something official and with cause, it could be a lower level leftist true believers, it doesn't matter. The optics are the sitting administration was utilizing the resources of the USG and investigating the Presidential front runner of an opposition party. The irony is that is exactly a Putin-esque maneuver and left are the ones currently Red Baiting the hell out of everyone in true McCarthyism style.

True. If there is any "collusion" that needs to be investigated, it's where those leakers are operating from and who was behind those FISA requests?

Far more damaging and potentially explosive than Russians cavorting with Trump to sink Hillary.

 

[atlkvb]

And if you have noticed the media has all but stopped talking about Tussia ties outside of that moron wannabe stick ***** Maddow.

Curious. Maybe they know more than what they're reporting?

 

[dave]

Curious. Maybe they know more than what they're reporting?

If they report an unnamed source that says there was no wiretapping then they admit that there was no investigation of Trump and his folks so the NYTimes stories were lies. If they report there were taps then crimes have been committed and Congress can compel testimony and hold people in contempt.

 

[atlkvb]

If they report an unnamed source that says there was no wiretapping then they admit that there was no investigation of Trump and his folks so the NYTimes stories were lies. If they report there were taps then crimes have been committed and Congress can compel testimony and hold people in contempt.

I think it's your latter rather than your former and I also think the media knows this and is trying to protect their asses as well as their criminal sources.

 

[dave]

I think it's your latter rather than your former and I also think the media knows this and is trying to protect their asses as well as their criminal sources.

I dont know or pretend to know but he definitely changes the dynamic of the story.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

If they report an unnamed source that says there was no wiretapping then they admit that there was no investigation of Trump and his folks so the NYTimes stories were lies. If they report there were taps then crimes have been committed and Congress can compel testimony and hold people in contempt.

[laughing]

Did you forget they have Flynn and others on tape? You jump to illogical conclusions (no surprise).

Let me break it down for you since you are slow (and that's putting it mildly). They were investigating Russia with a FISA warrant. They have people from Trump's campaign on audio tape as a result of investigating Russia (legal with a FISA warrant). They have already caught Flynn, Sessions and Carter Page lying. No one has ever said they tapped Trump tower like the narcissist claims and no one has produced any such evidence of the claim. More to come. [winking]

 

[atlkvb]

The irony is that is exactly a Putin-esque maneuver and left are the ones currently Red Baiting the hell out of everyone in true McCarthyism style.

The Left always accuses their opposition of the very things they in fact practice. It's in their DNA.

Racists? They are the OG's of racists with their historical roots in the KKK

Sexists? They defended Hillary's smearing of her philandering Husband's targets.

Homophobes? Weren't they the ones who coined "*****" as the word defining Gay folks?

Greed? Only taxpayers wanting to keep their own money are "greedy". Government asking for more of it after wasting most of it? Nope.... those are Investments don't you know?

Tolerance? Only as long as you agree with them. Disagree....destroy your freedom to think.

Freedom? Only to do as you're told, when, where, how, and even why. Disagree? You're a "subversive".

Diversity? Only on which Leftist policy is more Left than any other option. Disagree?
You shouldn't have a right to even be seen much less speak.

Respect? Only for the State (Leviathan) any other fidelity to any other entity is blasphemous.

 

[atlkvb]

I dont know or pretend to know but he definitely changes the dynamic of the story.

No doubt he did. I suspect if there was nothing to his charge, they'd be all over it trying to make Trump look as bad as possible.

Instead after he made his charge, they've scattered back behind their walls hiding like Roaches who turned the light on 'em.

 

[dave]

[laughing]

Did you forget they have Flynn and others on tape? You jump to illogical conclusions (no surprise).

Let me break it down for you since you are slow (and that's putting it mildly). They were investigating Russia with a FISA warrant. They have people from Trump's campaign on audio tape as a result of investigating Russia (legal with a FISA warrant). They have already caught Flynn, Sessions and Carter Page lying. No one has ever said they tapped Trump tower like the narcissist claims and no one has produced any such evidence of the claim. More to come. [winking]

The funniest thing about this post is that you are so confident and that nobody would know this. By the way do you realize it is a felony to disclose the name of anyone taped under a FISA warrant who was not the target of the warrant? You suggested I was slow and you are about 3 steps behind. Poor sugartits.

 

[atlkvb]

They have already caught Flynn, Sessions and Carter Page lying

countryroads89 what "lie" did Sessions tell? He never denied a meeting occurred with a Russian diplomat. When asked that specific question he admitted he did meet with him and others in his official capacity as a U.S. Senator, but not specifically to discuss any aspect of Trump's campaign with anyone.

So what was his "lie"?

 

[dave]

countryroads89 what "lie" did Sessions tell? He never denied a meeting occurred with a Russian diplomat. When asked that specific question he admitted he did meet with him and others in his official capacity as a U.S. Senator, but not specifically to discuss any aspect of Trump's campaign with anyone.

So what was his "lie"?

He corrected the record by amending his response so it is irrelevant. The c I uld revote his nomination tomorrow and nothing would change. Just idiot liberals acting like idiots.

 

[atlkvb]

Just idiot liberals acting like idiots.

And this surprises you Dave?

 

[dave]

And this surprises you Dave?

Not really particularly with the cuntrybumpkin know-nothing.

 

[atlkvb]

Not really particularly with the cuntrybumpkin know-nothing.

My confidence in you Dave is restored.

 

[TarHeelEer]

his statement was reckless at best and possibly impeachable.

I don't see it as either. The illegal leaks have proven someone was listening in, or have the recordings.

Something is seriously wrong with Trump

I don't know whether there is or not, but... he's going to change Washington dynamics.

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

I don't know why the Left would be so surprised to learn if Obama or someone else in the Administration's Justice department ordered surveillance on Trump. He was unmistakable Political opposition to them.

Don't they remember how the IRS was snooping around on the tax exempt claims of the Religious based 501(c)3s?

Who ordered that witch hunt?

I wouldn't be surprised at all.......what I am concerned about is the reckless and irresponsible way it was announced. You just don't tweet a theory ATL. That was stupid

 

[atlkvb]

I wouldn't be surprised at all.......what I am concerned about is the reckless and irresponsible way it was announced. You just don't tweet a theory ATL. That was stupid

Yes it was dumb to tweet that out OM1, agree with you. However you also don't tweet something that can easily be dismissed.

I think Trump knew tweeting that info out, even if it was incomplete essentially called the Dems and the Left over their Russian meme and turned the tables on the FBI investigation which up to that point was likely running into dead ends.

Trump may have compromised some of the trails they eventually would have tracked down and maybe gave those involved time to cover their tracks, but it certainly has changed the Left's narrative about Russians and shifted the focus off Trump and onto them.(Left and possibly Obama)

I'm not sure that's what they were hoping for as a result of all their Trump/Russia hysteria?

 

[dave]

I wouldn't be surprised at all.......what I am concerned about is the reckless and irresponsible way it was announced. You just don't tweet a theory ATL. That was stupid

What is different between tweeting it and giving it to a friendly reporter so they reports it and attribute it to a source?

 

[atlkvb]

What is different between tweeting it and giving it to a friendly reporter so they reports it and attribute it to a source?

I have no way of proving this Dave, but I honestly think Trump distrusts the Media so much, he probably didn't think anyone would take his information seriously? Or maybe he thought they'd just lie about it and try to turn it on him?

He likely thought by going over their heads it might force them to treat the information with some degree of seriousness to try and help Federal investigators get to the bottom of it?

Just my guess.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I wouldn't be surprised at all.......what I am concerned about is the reckless and irresponsible way it was announced. You just don't tweet a theory ATL. That was stupid

It wasn't a theory.

 

[atlkvb]

By the way do you realize it is a felony to disclose the name of anyone taped under a FISA warrant who was not the target of the warrant?

Dave, don't you know countryroads89 is too smart to not know this already? What are you thinking Man, that countryroads89 is actually misinformed?

Naw...that can't be...countryroads89 is always correct, even when facts prove otherwise.

 

[WVU enginEER]

A US law professor has said Mr Trump’s unsubstantiated claims could be a “major scandal” that “could get the current President impeached,” if proven false.

Bloomberg. “If the alleged action would be impeachable if true, so must be the allegation if false." “Given how great the executive’s power is, accusations by the President can’t be treated asymmetrically,” Harvard Law School professor Noah Feldman wrote in an article for Bloomberg. “If the alleged action would be impeachable if true, so must be the allegation if false.

“Anything else would give the President the power to distort democracy by calling his opponents criminals without ever having to prove it.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-wiretapping-claim-us-justice-173132090.html

The NY Times said he was wire tapped.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

The NY Times said he was wire tapped.

No they didn't. Pay attention.

 

[WVU enginEER]

No they didn't. Pay attention.

CNN......was in the media today.

 

[atlkvb]

WVU enginEER said: ↑
The NY Times said he was wire tapped.

No they didn't. Pay attention.

Yes they did pay closer attention.

Pull quote from article:

"It is unclear which Russian officials are under investigation, or what particular conversations caught the attention of American eavesdroppers"[sic listening in on Trump Tower phone conversations] "It is not clear whether the intercepted communications had anything to do with Mr. Trump’s campaign, or Mr. Trump himself"


Full article revealing how information was collected: Intercepted Russian communications part of inquiry into Trump associates (NYT 1.19.17)
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html?_r=0

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

WVU enginEER said: ↑
The NY Times said he was wire tapped.



Yes they did pay closer attention.

Pull quote from article:

"It is unclear which Russian officials are under investigation, or what particular conversations caught the attention of American eavesdroppers"[sic listening in on Trump Tower phone conversations] "It is not clear whether the intercepted communications had anything to do with Mr. Trump’s campaign, or Mr. Trump himself"


Full article revealing how information was collected: Intercepted Russian communications part of inquiry into Trump associates (NYT 1.19.17)
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html?_r=0

The NY Times article never said Trump was wire tapped.

Once again, you show us your stupidity.