Observations from practice

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Last year's minutes..... (have to say.. ESPN's stats for minutes looks low to me)

45.2 minutes of Yeboah and McConnel are available,, the predicted starting 5 is Geo, Young, Mathis, Harper and Johnson. I assume that means Young is taking harper's G minutes and Harper is taking Yeboah's F minutes (and some guard minutes)

That leaves Young and McConnels 21.3 and 21.4 or 42.7 GUARD minutes available. Mulcahy can take 22.7 of that easily. That leaves another 20 minutes..

Baker 29
Young 28
Mathis 28
Harper 26
Johnson 24

Starters use 140 of 200 minutes.. Need 60 minutes from backups
Starter 3 Guards use 85 of 120 minutes.. Need 35 minutes of backups
Starter F uses 24 of 40,, need 16 from backup
Starter C uses 24 of 40.. need 16 from backup **Johnson might be able to go longer.. I dunno.. there was no reason for him NOT to go longer last year.. but didn't.. so its foul trouble or more rest.. somehting.

Mulcahy 25
Harper 5 (brings his total minutes to 29 like Geo)
Brooks 5 (or even more Harper should the frosh big men prove capable)
*** that's 35 from backup guards

Mag 12
Palmquist 4
*** that's 11 from backup forwards

Omoruyi 12
Doucore 4
*** that's 16 from backup centers

And then you have the possibility.. with it being a free year for eligibility.. that McConnel comes back at some point.

Bottom line.. I think we are in good shape to keep everyone under 30 min a game. Foward is going to be a tough spot against bigger teams.. don't want to see Harper getting into foul trouble vs a big PF. So I think that is the position where we might see some experimentation.


I think Mag and Palmquist both get more than that. And Harper will play 3 more against some of the bigger teams.
 

RU-Choppin-Ohio

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Pike will continue to play a lot of guys because that is one of the keys to Rutgers success. Pressure man to man or 3/4 pressure all game to make the teams that don't go as deep tired near the end of the game. Also, constantly pounding the offensive glass also plays a role in tiring the other team out.....stealing extra possessions. Make other teams Tired for those last 5-7 minutes of the game.

Imo, I don't expect to see Young and Mathis on the floor together. Last year he always wanted at least one high pressure guard on the floor at all times.
 

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Great stuff, Ouch, thanks for sharing! Surprised that Oskar not getting much run in the 5 on 5, but then Degaz mentioned his nursing an injury. Perhaps the biggest surprise was the positive mention by others of Lobach. I think that Pike will look to use 10-11 players a game, especially early in the year, but with very limited minutes beyond the top 8.

Did Caleb participate in the practice? I am in the camp that would not be shocked to see him later in the season.

Oh, one thing that doesn't get mentioned much, but I really hope that we see an improvement in free throw shooting this season ... especially Myles Johnson.
 

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FT shooting should be improved with no fans. It'll be more like shooting in practice and you have to imagine someone like Myles shoots FTs a little better in practice than his terrible percentage in games
 

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Those are the minutes, but some are a bit wonky because of a couple of outliers due to Baker's injury.
- Baker played limited minutes (21.4 min/g) off the bench over his first 7 games back from injury.... but averaged 31.4 min/g in all other games.
- McConnell's minutes jumped up when Baker went out (to 29.7 min/g in the 11 games starting with Geo's first missed game)... then shifted dramatically down at the end of the season, playing only 11.4 min/g over the last 7 games.
That explains my disbelief in those numbers. Of all the minutes we need to find an answer for.. it could be Shaq Carters 12.4 minutes that are hard to fill.
 

GoodOl'Rutgers

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Seems like Big Cliff slides in and gets those 12.4 minutes and maybe more based on how he plays and foul trouble with Johnson.
yeah.. but he needs to spell Johnson... and we lost Yeboah at F... which was also Carters position. Basically.. we need Mag and another forward to be able to mostly replace Yeboah and Carter.. because I don't think Harper should be D'ing up true power forwards. If Johnson stays out of foul trouble, certainly Big Cliff can play some 4.

I suppose if we looked at the makeup of all the Big Ten teams.. how many have big front lines.. that might tell is playing Harper at the 4 will be problematic in the long run. My general impression from last year was that WE were one of the larger teams with length everywhere on the court.
 
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RU-Choppin-Ohio

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yeah.. but he needs to spell Johnson... and we lost Yeboah at F... which was also Carters position. Basically.. we need Mag and another forward to be able to mostly replace Yeboah and Carter.. because I don't think Harper should be D'ing up true power forwards. If Johnson stays out of foul trouble, certainly Big Cliff can play some 4.

I suppose if we looked at the makeup of all the Big Ten teams.. how many have big front lines.. that might tell is playing Harper at the 4 will be problematic in the long run. My general impression from last year was that WE were one of the larger teams with length everywhere on the court.

Its been a long time, so I could be wrong. But, I dont remember Johnson and Carter playing together at 4 and 5.
 
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GoodOl'Rutgers

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Its been a long time, so I could be wrong. But, I dont remember Johnson and Carter playing together at 4 and 5.
well.. I cannot really remember exactly either.. but when Johnson came out.. my impression was that our first move was to do without a center... or Doucore would come in. It is not that Johnson and Carter would play together.. it is that we lost Yeboah AND Carter.. both forwards... though Carter did sub for Johnson. Harper was more of a 3 last year and here he is looking to be a 4.. if rumors are true about the starting 5. If you trust Harper to be a true 4.. then there is no real minute deficit at 4 and Omoruyi taking Carters minutes is analogous.

ehhhh.. games are here.. might as well just wait and see what happens.. though I do like me a good guessing game.
 

RU-Choppin-Ohio

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No, when Johnson came out, Carter came in as the Center. In fact, Shaq Carter started multiple games at Center late in the year with Johnson coming off the bench. Carter was the backup Center, not the backup 4 to Yeboah.

Duke only came in if both Johnson and Carter were in foul trouble.
 
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Take a look at Bakers last 6 games in terms of minutes. His data is definitely skkewed by the 1st 5 or 6 games back from injury
 

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Who plays the backup 4 minutes is one of the biggest and most interesting questions for this season. If Mag is physically capable of guarding the 4 that would be huge. He's got the length and doesn't seem like a scrawny freshman but he isn't Ron thick. Between Mag and Palmquist we need at least one to be able to step up in that role
 

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Who plays the backup 4 minutes is one of the biggest and most interesting questions for this season. If Mag is physically capable of guarding the 4 that would be huge. He's got the length and doesn't seem like a scrawny freshman but he isn't Ron thick. Between Mag and Palmquist we need at least one to be able to step up in that role
If Paul is bulked up..........
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GoodOl'Rutgers

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I think Mag and Palmquist both get more than that. And Harper will play 3 more against some of the bigger teams.
I hope so.. Harper was a 2-3 last year and I think it is a lot to ask him to be a 4. Would love to see him back at 2-3.. allowing Young or Mathis to come off the bench. If we can man the 4 mostly with Frosh, we can have a tremendous advantage when starter guards for both teams come out with starter-quality replacements like Young or Mathis and Mulcahy coming in..
 

GoodOl'Rutgers

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No, when Johnson came out, Carter came in as the Center. In fact, Shaq Carter started multiple games at Center late in the year with Johnson coming off the bench. Carter was the backup Center, not the backup 4 to Yeboah.

Duke only came in if both Johnson and Carter were in foul trouble.
If you are going to insist Carter was a center.. then who was the 4 with Carter in there and Yeboah out? Was it Harper? was it Mulcahy?

I say when Carter came in he was still a F and we played without a center.. but you might say we had a center.. but no forward.. no 4.. same-same... look at the highlights of a game like.. say.. Purdue at Rutgers.. they had a big front line.. that will show you the issue...
 

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You want your best guys on the floor as much as possible. They're not going to be playing 35+ minutes, but I'd imagine they'd be in the 30-32 range.

Last year, Baker was at 31.3 min in games he started (not including the games off the bench where he was recovering from injury), and Harper finished the year averaging 29.4 in conference games (which will be a larger share of the schedule this year). I'd expect about the same this year - with Harper possibly taking on a bit more with Yeboah gone.

Other than last season (with Baker missing time due to injury), Pike's only had two other seasons in his 16-year career without at least one player at 30+ min (2011-12 where one player had 29.8, and his first year in 2005-06 with two players at 29.3/29.2).
This. I'm good with 30-33 minutes a game for our best players, but would rather not see more than 35/game, every game, which can wear down even young folks.
 

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Free throws didn’t look much better. And I think some are confusing Lobach and Reiber. Reiber cut his hair so on the stream it was hard to tell them apart. At least to me.
 
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Pike likes to play a set lineup as much as possible, but he will change up to maximize the match-ups to his advantage. I would look at the five that are out there at the end of the game. That's a telling factor of who Pike really sees at the go-to group of five.
 
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Free throws didn’t look much better. And I think some are confusing Lobach and Reiber. Reiber cut his hair so on the stream it was hard to tell them apart. At least to me.

I didn't like what I saw in that department tonight ... 5 out of 15 won't cut it in B1G play.