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[AustinTXCat]

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[CatsRuleSEC]

Originally posted by Irish Beck:

Originally posted by CatsRuleSEC:
personal attacks are not allowed per the written rules of this forum.

This is a political thread. Lets keep it political guys.

Originally posted by CatsRuleSEC:
so the usual two douches are trying to bully someone again...

you guys are terrible people...really.

So when does your ban hit?

I must admit, I do live in your head rent free, along with Catlanta and cbshootsblanks1979.

I live in your heads rent free every day.

Now, can we talk politics? Or will you continue your personal attacks, which bounce off with their usual nothingness?

btw, Romney will beat Obama if he is nominated. I know that will break all 3 of your hearts.

 

[Deeeefense]

Originally posted by BleedBluNAZ:
You can when 37% of all the jobs created since the recession ended in 2009 are in your state. He would be a nightmare for Obama who has done nothing but kill jobs.

Darn that job killing Obama!

 

[CatsRuleSEC]

Originally posted by Deeeefense:

Originally posted by BleedBluNAZ:
You can when 37% of all the jobs created since the recession ended in 2009 are in your state. He would be a nightmare for Obama who has done nothing but kill jobs.

Darn that job killing Obama!

unfortunately for Obama, those numbers don't get you out of a recession...

We all know it started under Bush with his incredible spending spree. But Obama has spent even more than Bush while employing an anti-business agenda.

Most of the reason businesses aren't hiring is because they are freaked out about the cost of Obamacare and they KNOW Obama wants to raise taxes, especially on businesses. Therefore, they have no confidence about the future.

It's mostly psychological. Companies are simply afraid to hire and expand because they see what is going on...

 

[WettCat]

One. Term. President.

 

[Deeeefense]

Originally posted by CatsRuleSEC:

Originally posted by Deeeefense:

Originally posted by BleedBluNAZ:
You can when 37% of all the jobs created since the recession ended in 2009 are in your state. He would be a nightmare for Obama who has done nothing but kill jobs.

Darn that job killing Obama!

unfortunately for Obama, those numbers don't get you out of a recession...

We all know it started under Bush with his incredible spending spree. But Obama has spent even more than Bush while employing an anti-business agenda.

Most of the reason businesses aren't hiring is because they are freaked out about the cost of Obamacare and they KNOW Obama wants to raise taxes, especially on businesses. Therefore, they have no confidence about the future.

It's mostly psychological. Companies are simply afraid to hire and expand because they see what is going on...

1. "Obama has an anti-business agenda"

False. The Obama administration and Democrat congress have passed 17 bills designed to help small businesses including making loans available to small businesses. Corporate taxes are one third lower now than under Bush according to the nonpartisan CBO.

2. "Most of the reason businesses aren't hiring is because they are freaked out about the cost of Obamacare and they KNOW Obama wants to raise taxes, especially on businesses."

False: Businesses aren't hiring because there is no increase in demand for goods and services not because the are "freaked out about to cost of Obama care". The cost of health care is set by the HMOs and insurance companies. It was the Democrats than wanted a public option for the uninsured, it was the Republicans that lobbied to keep the employer based system like we have now, so don't blame the president for the roll business now pays and always has played in the health care system. Corporate taxes are one third lower now than under Bush according to the nonpartisan CBO.

3. It's mostly psychological. Companies are simply afraid to hire and expand because they see what is going on...

Half True. There is a psychological element to the economy but it isn't with business it's with the consumer that is fearful to spend more money until the economic waters clear a bit more. Speaking as someone who spent a lifetime in the business world both in corporate American and as a small business owner, I laugh every time I hear this assertion made. Businesses make decision on hiring based on real or anticipated increases in demand for products or services - that might simply be an increase in sales numbers or the introduction of a new product or the establishment of one or more new locations. Businesses don't avoid hiring for fear of a cost if demand exists - that would be idiotic. Costs are part of business. Your competitors face the same cost environoment you do. Most fixed costs are generally passed on to consumers.

There's your econ 101 lesson for today.
This post was edited on 6/13 12:40 PM by Deeeefense

 

[Vismund]

Originally posted by CatsRuleSEC:

I must admit, I do live in your head rent free, along with Catlanta and cbshootsblanks1979.

I live in your heads rent free every day.

Now, can we talk politics? Or will you continue your personal attacks, which bounce off with their usual nothingness?

btw, Romney will beat Obama if he is nominated. I know that will break all 3 of your hearts.

So basically you're cool with being a troll, got it. You only get in my head when I have to laugh at your attempt at "argument", five seconds after posting I'm on to the next one.

So, yes, let's talk about politics. If nothing changes with the economy in the next year I feel pretty confident in saying that Obama will lose to Romney, if he wins the nomination, especially since I will be voting for him. Unlike you I don't vote party lines or let talking points dictate my life. I know that breaks your tiny and pathetic heart.

 

[Jeh_]

Rick Perry: Economic Crisis Is God's Way Of Bringing Us Back To Biblical Principles

 

[BleedBluNAZ]

Originally posted by JHB4UK:
Debbie Downer yesterday: Obama Was Able "To Turn The Economy Around"

Please make this your parties banner for 2012 Debbie, if you love this economy vote Obama & Democrats!

I about fell out of my chair. So did David Gregory. He had just read off the laundry list of horrible economic news and that's the first thing out of her mouth.

 

[BleedBluNAZ]

Originally posted by Deeeefense:

Originally posted by BleedBluNAZ:
You can when 37% of all the jobs created since the recession ended in 2009 are in your state. He would be a nightmare for Obama who has done nothing but kill jobs.

Darn that job killing Obama!

There was a slight uptick (after 2.18 million jobs were lost under Obama) but as we saw last month, things have stagnated and all indications are they are going to get worse. All Marie Calenders in Arizona closed their doors today. It's not going to be pretty for Obama when he has to run on an actual record versus a slogan.
This post was edited on 6/13 2:48 PM by BleedBluNAZ

 

[BleedBluNAZ]

Originally posted by post_u_up:

Originally posted by Catfan in Tn.:
Recent ABC News/Washington Post poll of registered voters has Romney beating Obama 49% to 46%.

I guess that's good/ Obama will lose, that seems to be a given. But Romney? Not really sure about him.

This really is horrible news for Obama. In April of 1979 there were polls according to TIME that had Carter and Reagan in a dead heat. Look how that turned out for the incumbent.

 

[BleedBluNAZ]

Originally posted by Deeeefense:

Originally posted by CatsRuleSEC:

Originally posted by Deeeefense:

Originally posted by BleedBluNAZ:
You can when 37% of all the jobs created since the recession ended in 2009 are in your state. He would be a nightmare for Obama who has done nothing but kill jobs.

Darn "The Obama administration and Democrat congress have passed 17 bills designed to help small businesses including making loans available to small businesses. Corporate taxes are one third lower now than under Bush according to the nonpartisan CBO"

Yet they are willing to risk Boeing moving 1000 jobs out of the country to keep their Union thugs happy. Yeah, very business friendly.

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

Originally posted by Jeh_:
Rick Perry: Economic Crisis Is God's Way Of Bringing Us Back To Biblical Principles

Hopefully Obama is praying to Jesus Christ, his Lord and Savior, for guidance on the economy like he said he would. In fact, judging by his campaign brochure in South Carolina, Obama's faith in Christ the Lord is similar in strength to Perry's.

 

[BleedBluNAZ]

Originally posted by Rex Kwon Do:

Originally posted by Jeh_:
Rick Perry: Economic Crisis Is God's Way Of Bringing Us Back To Biblical Principles

Hopefully Obama is praying to Jesus Christ, his Lord and Savior, for guidance on the economy like he said he would. In fact, judging by his campaign brochure in South Carolina, Obama's faith in Christ the Lord is similar in strength to Perry's.

Very interesting. Won't see that anywhere but here I suspect.

 

[Jeh_]

Originally posted by Rex Kwon Do:

Originally posted by Jeh_:
Rick Perry: Economic Crisis Is God's Way Of Bringing Us Back To Biblical Principles

Hopefully Obama is praying to Jesus Christ, his Lord and Savior, for guidance on the economy like he said he would. In fact, judging by his campaign brochure in South Carolina, Obama's faith in Christ the Lord is similar in strength to Perry's.

Difference is, Obama has kept religious beliefs out of politics.

Rick Perry? Texas governor calls for prayers for rain amid fires

Thankfully through prayer we can slash the budget of the people who have to fight the record number of fires.

Texas plans to cut budget of agency battling fires

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

BBNAZ, I like to think we here at Teh Political Thread care of Teh Paddock are on the cutting edge of political thinking, discussion, trolling, racism, CatBC murders, party pride, and generally terrible repeat posting by unwanted members.
This post was edited on 6/13 3:31 PM by Rex Kwon Do

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

Originally posted by Jeh_:

Difference is, Obama has kept religious beliefs out of politics.

If by "Obama has kept religious beliefs out of politics" you mean "used his faith in Jesus Christ, his Lord and Savior, in a political brochure in a race for President of the United States of America" then you are correct.

 

[BleedBluNAZ]

Originally posted by Rex Kwon Do:
BBNAZ, I like to think we here at Teh Political Thread care of Teh Paddock are on the cutting edge of political thinking, discussion, trolling, racism, CatBC murders, party pride, and generally terrible repeat posting by unwanted members.
This post was edited on 6/13 3:31 PM by Rex Kwon Do

LOL!

 

[Jeh_]

Originally posted by Rex Kwon Do:

Originally posted by Jeh_:

Difference is, Obama has kept religious beliefs out of politics.

If by "Obama has kept religious beliefs out of politics" you mean "used his faith in Jesus Christ, his Lord and Savior, in a political brochure in a race for President of the United States of America" then you are correct.

When I said politics, I mean't separation of church and state. As long as his beliefs do not dictate what he does in office, he can believe in the spaghetti monster for all I care.

Obama on Separation of Church and State

 

[CatsRuleSEC]

Originally posted by Irish Beck:

Originally posted by CatsRuleSEC:

I must admit, I do live in your head rent free, along with Catlanta and cbshootsblanks1979.

I live in your heads rent free every day.

Now, can we talk politics? Or will you continue your personal attacks, which bounce off with their usual nothingness?

btw, Romney will beat Obama if he is nominated. I know that will break all 3 of your hearts.

So basically you're cool with being a troll, got it. You only get in my head when I have to laugh at your attempt at "argument", five seconds after posting I'm on to the next one.

So, yes, let's talk about politics. If nothing changes with the economy in the next year I feel pretty confident in saying that Obama will lose to Romney, if he wins the nomination, especially since I will be voting for him. Unlike you I don't vote party lines or let talking points dictate my life. I know that breaks your tiny and pathetic heart.

actually, I agree with you on one thing...I don't vote on party lines. I voted for Perot...In addition, I voted for Ron Paul(who isn't a typical Republican). So I understand your point. People need to know the issues.

I think Romney is a very smart guy and his healthcare plan in Mass. doesn't bother me on the state level like it does some conservatives. He religion doesn't bother me at all...I would vote for him.

I'm also impressed with what Pawlenty has to say...Huntsman too. Ron Paul is too old to win. I like Herman Cain, very smart guy, but he doesn't have any government experience, which has been painfully apparent in a few interviews.

Bachman will be made into a cartoon character by the left-wing media who hates her as much as Palin. The left-wing media gets away with sexism on a daily basis towards Republican women.

 

[CatsRuleSEC]

Originally posted by Deeeefense:

Originally posted by CatsRuleSEC:

Originally posted by Deeeefense:

Originally posted by BleedBluNAZ:
You can when 37% of all the jobs created since the recession ended in 2009 are in your state. He would be a nightmare for Obama who has done nothing but kill jobs.

Darn that job killing Obama!

unfortunately for Obama, those numbers don't get you out of a recession...

We all know it started under Bush with his incredible spending spree. But Obama has spent even more than Bush while employing an anti-business agenda.

Most of the reason businesses aren't hiring is because they are freaked out about the cost of Obamacare and they KNOW Obama wants to raise taxes, especially on businesses. Therefore, they have no confidence about the future.

It's mostly psychological. Companies are simply afraid to hire and expand because they see what is going on...

1. "Obama has an anti-business agenda"

False. The Obama administration and Democrat congress have passed 17 bills designed to help small businesses including making loans available to small businesses. Corporate taxes are one third lower now than under Bush according to the nonpartisan CBO.

2. "Most of the reason businesses aren't hiring is because they are freaked out about the cost of Obamacare and they KNOW Obama wants to raise taxes, especially on businesses."

False: Businesses aren't hiring because there is no increase in demand for goods and services not because the are "freaked out about to cost of Obama care". The cost of health care is set by the HMOs and insurance companies. It was the Democrats than wanted a public option for the uninsured, it was the Republicans that lobbied to keep the employer based system like we have now, so don't blame the president for the roll business now pays and always has played in the health care system. Corporate taxes are one third lower now than under Bush according to the nonpartisan CBO.

3. It's mostly psychological. Companies are simply afraid to hire and expand because they see what is going on...

Half True. There is a psychological element to the economy but it isn't with business it's with the consumer that is fearful to spend more money until the economic waters clear a bit more. Speaking as someone who spent a lifetime in the business world both in corporate American and as a small business owner, I laugh every time I hear this assertion made. Businesses make decision on hiring based on real or anticipated increases in demand for products or services - that might simply be an increase in sales numbers or the introduction of a new product or the establishment of one or more new locations. Businesses don't avoid hiring for fear of a cost if demand exists - that would be idiotic. Costs are part of business. Your competitors face the same cost environoment you do. Most fixed costs are generally passed on to consumers.

There's your econ 101 lesson for today.
This post was edited on 6/13 12:40 PM by Deeeefense

Yes, you are correct that demand effects what a business does, but you don't seem to understand that companies don't like the impending mandates coming down the line when all of Obamacare is fully implemented. Also, they know Obama believes in higher taxes on top income earners, which includes many small businesses(many small businesses fall under the top income tax bracket). So yes, businesses do, in fact, make decisions based on fear of the future sometimes.

Yes, the Obama admin. has tried some targeted tax cut programs for businesses in order to facilitate growth, but those are small potatoes and it's not working. He isn't a pro-business President. He assailed and demonized corporations and the business community at-large before he was even in the White House.

He was a card-carrying member of ACORN. Need I say more?

It's just a different philosophy, that's all. Some politicians believe in business and employ pro-growth policies. Other pols see business as corrupt and a big part of the problem. They believe in more oversight and restriction. Obama is obviously an anti-business type of politician.
This post was edited on 6/13 5:19 PM by CatsRuleSEC

 

[WillGolf4Food]

Originally posted by CatsRuleSEC:
I voted for Perot...

Ah, that explains a whole lot.

 

[wildcatadam6]

"separation of church and state" is perhaps the *most* misrepresented and misunderstood concept out there. No one on the left ever gets it right.

 

[Mime-Is-Money]

Originally posted by CatsRuleSEC:
[Obama] was a card-carrying member of ACORN. Need I say more?

You can't even get this right.

 

[BleedBluNAZ]

Originally posted by Mime-Is-Money:

Originally posted by CatsRuleSEC:
[Obama] was a card-carrying member of ACORN. Need I say more?

You can't even get this right.

Card carrying or not, his love and devotion to all of ACORNS efforts is not in question.

ACORN voter fraud is so flagrant, that even ABC News has to report what Obama's old associates are up to, and when Obama denies this relationship, or calls it a distraction, which he will, remember this quote:


"I’ve been fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career. Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work." -- Barack Obama, Speech to ACORN, November 2007


Not only that, but Obama, who has publicly endorsed ACORN, paid them at least $800,000 for its voter registration efforts -- Obama paid for the voter registration fraud.

Obama's association with ACORN goes wayyy back. He was ACORN's attorney in the "Motor Voter" case. He was also deeply involved in organizing "Project VOTE" in 1992. All of these activities had a single purpose -- to destroy the integrity of the voting system, and Obama has been at it for years, and years.

Obama’s long relationship to ACORN has led many of its members to serve as the volunteer shock troops of Obama’s political campaigns.

 

[wkays04]

Of all the breakdowns of unemployment I've seen, seems like construction is the hardest hit and the slowest to come back. I don't care who you elect, it's going to be another 5 years before construction really can get going again. Housing prices are still falling and there's still a huge glut of inventory on the market.

 

[CatsRuleSEC]

Originally posted by Mime-Is-Money:

Originally posted by CatsRuleSEC:
[Obama] was a card-carrying member of ACORN. Need I say more?

You can't even get this right.

looks like someone else just showed you quotes about his devotion ACORN.

nice try buddy...your hero Obama is a community organizer/activist in the White House.

 

[CatsRuleSEC]

Originally posted by WillGolf4Food:

Originally posted by CatsRuleSEC:
I voted for Perot...

Ah, that explains a whole lot.

 

[Jeh_]

Originally posted by wildcatadam6:
"separation of church and state" is perhaps the *most* misrepresented and misunderstood concept out there. No one on the left ever gets it right.

Ah yes. The left never understands anything. Misguided fools. Please do share though.

 

[CatBC_rivals377262]

Originally posted by Jeh_:

Originally posted by wildcatadam6:
"separation of church and state" is perhaps the *most* misrepresented and misunderstood concept out there. No one on the left ever gets it right.

Ah yes. The left never understands anything. Misguided fools. Please do share though.

Yes - please enlighten us. We are confident that a medical equipment salesman has the answer for us about this thorny constitutional issue. Arrogance + ignorance is a pathetic combination.

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

^ Good for you buddy. Was pretty sure the feds were eventually going to wander on over here and ask us why there was a trail of old fashioned shaving cream leading away from your body and a copy of Badger and Blade nearby...

...welcome back.

 

[Mime-Is-Money]

Originally posted by BleedBluNAZ:

Card carrying or not, his love and devotion to all of ACORNS efforts is not in question.

ACORN voter fraud is so flagrant, that even ABC News has to report what Obama's old associates are up to, and when Obama denies this relationship, or calls it a distraction, which he will, remember this quote:


"I’ve been fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career. Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work." -- Barack Obama, Speech to ACORN, November 2007


Not only that, but Obama, who has publicly endorsed ACORN, paid them at least $800,000 for its voter registration efforts -- Obama paid for the voter registration fraud.

Obama's association with ACORN goes wayyy back. He was ACORN's attorney in the "Motor Voter" case. He was also deeply involved in organizing "Project VOTE" in 1992. All of these activities had a single purpose -- to destroy the integrity of the voting system, and Obama has been at it for years, and years.

Obama’s long relationship to ACORN has led many of its members to serve as the volunteer shock troops of Obama’s political campaigns.

It's "Not". He's not a card carrying member. Nice copy and paste. At least source your material, garbage (which it is) or not.

You should look actually do your due diligence on that website.

First, Obama was never a staff attorney for ACORN. He represented one of their cases (back in the mid 90's) through contract work when employed by Miner, Barnhill and Galland LLC.

Second, Obama's political campaign did paid Citizens Services, Inc, an Louisiana affiliate of ACORN, for a get-out-the-vote program. So what? There was no fraud involved with CSI and the payment was legitimately disclosed.

Third, Project Vote is not affiliated with ACORN, they just worked together in voter registration programs. However, Obama is not a "card carrying member" of ACORN. ****, I can link rinky-dink sites stating McCain's connections with the group.

These comments are hilarious:

"Obama's association with ACORN goes wayyy back. He was ACORN's attorney in the "Motor Voter" case. He was also deeply involved in organizing "Project VOTE" in 1992. All of these activities had a single purpose -- to destroy the integrity of the voting system, and Obama has been at it for years, and years."

The US Department of Justice sided with ACORN in the "Motor Voter" case. And how in the wide, wide world of sports did Project vote aim to "destroy the integrity of the voting system"?

That site is a hoot. I'm surprised that it didn't call Obama a poopy-pants.
This post was edited on 6/13 7:46 PM by Mime-Is-Money

 

[Deeeefense]

Originally posted by CatsRuleSEC:

Also, they know Obama believes in higher taxes on top income earners, which includes many small businesses(many small businesses fall under the top income tax bracket). So yes, businesses do, in fact, make decisions based on fear of the future sometimes.

This is perhaps the most common myth accepted by both Repblican and Democratic voters, and is utterly false.

I have fact checked this several times. In reality only 1% of all small business owners are in the $250K + tax bracket which Obama targeted for rolling the Bush tax cuts back on, and of those that do make over $250K a year less than 25% derive any money at all form a equity interest in a non publicly held business (sole props, LLCs, Sub S Corps mostly).

That's why the Obama approach was better as it targeted small businesses for tax cuts instead of cutting taxes for baseball players, rock stars, and land speculators along with it.

Even if this were true do you really believe any business owner would avoid a business expansion because he might have to pay 5% more taxes on the profit he earned?

 

[Mime-Is-Money]

Originally posted by CatsRuleSEC:
looks like someone else just showed you quotes about his devotion ACORN.

nice try buddy...your hero Obama is a community organizer/activist in the White House.

I didn't say Obama doesn't have past dealing and connections with ACORN. Show me a politician in DC that doesn't. ACORN has a massive presence for get-out-the-vote efforts, not to mention various arms of the organization that provide myriad of political and charitable services.

You said he's a card carrying member and asked if you needed to say more. My answer is.........Please no, because you really don't know what you're talking about.

Who gives a f*ck if a community organizer is in the WH as long as s/he does a great job? In fact, I want all of POTUS to do community oriented work at one point in their lives.
This post was edited on 6/13 7:48 PM by Mime-Is-Money

 

[CatBC_rivals377262]

Originally posted by Rex Kwon Do:
^ Good for you buddy. Was pretty sure the feds were eventually going to wander on over here and ask us why there was a trail of old fashioned shaving cream leading away from your body and a copy of Badger and Blade nearby...

...welcome back.

No worries there - but it looks like Adam has admitted to cheating on his taxes in another thread. Not very smart or honest. Very hypocritical for such a staunch conservative. As usual, his morality ends when his money is at stake.

 

[Mime-Is-Money]

Originally posted by BleedBluNAZ:

and all indications are they are going to get worse.

That's not true. Most economists fully acknowledge the slow down (rather, they expected it at the end of QE2) but believe leading indicators will pick back up in Q3 2011. The WSJ forecast for unemployment at the end of 2011 is 8.5% (this is after subsequent adjustments to incorporate the less than stellar economic news of the last two months).

We're getting through a "soft patch" (term used to the fullest extent over the past two weeks) and most PM's/analysts see better times ahead after June.

 

[wildcatadam6]

Nothing at all illegal about buying one $35-40 silver piece at a time (which is usually how I buy) on eBay. You're obviously not knowledgeable of tax rules regarding buying from a person in another state.

In other words, tax avoidance =/= tax evasion.
This post was edited on 6/13 8:17 PM by wildcatadam6

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

Originally posted by wkays04:
Of all the breakdowns of unemployment I've seen, seems like construction is the hardest hit and the slowest to come back. I don't care who you elect, it's going to be another 5 years before construction really can get going again. Housing prices are still falling and there's still a huge glut of inventory on the market.

Rack.

Maybe if '73 or Rudd is lurking they can give some insight much better than I can but I think you are spot on.

 

[catlanta31]

Originally posted by Rex Kwon Do:

Originally posted by wkays04:
Of all the breakdowns of unemployment I've seen, seems like construction is the hardest hit and the slowest to come back. I don't care who you elect, it's going to be another 5 years before construction really can get going again. Housing prices are still falling and there's still a huge glut of inventory on the market.

Rack.

Maybe if '73 or Rudd is lurking they can give some insight much better than I can but I think you are spot on.

From what I've read, it's only getting worse before it gets better. Loans are still tough to get, all those foreclosures are ruining credit and like wkays04 said, the housing market is saturated.

Also, some are trying to increase the minimum down payment back to the 10-20% range. That would flood FHA and probably force them to redo their government-backed loan structure.

I linked a small WSJ article on the projections of home builds to go down again. The staggering part is that is was up to 2 mil. in 2005.

WSJ on Home Building Projections

 

[catlanta31]

Here's an article describing a bill to increase the minimum down payment of FHA.

Taking FHA to 5%