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WildcatfaninOhio

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I plan on voting no on Issue 3. The choice to do so saddens me a little because I am in favor of legalization of marijuana. Actually, I'd like to see all drugs decriminalized, but that's an argument for another time.

I hate the way Issue 3 is written. It limits growers to 10 investment groups, and it limits the number of retail outlets to a little over 1000. The retail cost of pot will not be any lower than what you can buy off the street. The best reason (and there are many more good reasons) to legalize is to get pot off the black market.

If Ohio wants a good plan on legalization they would open the market to all growers. Allow a plentiful supply from all over the world. That would drive the price down and effectively put street dealers out of business.
 
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Ron Mehico

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The more I read about it I think I'm going to vote yes on 3 and yes on 2 as well. 2 will prevent monopolies and I think cause the legalization to have to be altered for the better before it can come into effect.
 
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Ron Mehico said:
The more I read about it I think I'm going to vote yes on 3 and yes on 2 as well. 2 will prevent monopolies and I think cause the legalization to have to be altered for the better before it can come into effect.
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Most of the recent polling have both issues leaning towards passing, which will make for an interesting lawsuit.
 
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Ron Mehico

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Ya, it will make the whole thing a giant clustertouch, but whatever. At least we'll have a vote that the majority of people in Ohio want legal weed and then we'll go from there.
 
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WildcatfaninOhio said:
it limits the number of retail outlets to a little over 1000.
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To put that into perspective...as of June 2014, there were around 822 McDonalds in Ohio. I don't believe the limitation on the retail outlets is an issue at all. Also, you have to keep in mind there is a huge opportunity for processing facilities who can create edibles, oil concentrate, etc. in addition to these retail outlets.

I completely agree with the concern about the grow sites. It's ridiculous and it pisses me off that it was written as such. But, ResponsibleOhio footed the bill and did the legwork to get the signatures needed. It would be expected that they would look to benefit greatly from this.

There are a few reasons that I would vote yes on 3 and no on 2 if I were an Ohio voter, even though it goes against my fundamental values of free market capitalism.

1. The removal of the fear and risk of prosecution for such a ridiculous "crime". It. Ends. Prohibition.

2. The help it will provide those with medical conditions who prefer not to utilize current synthetic prescription pain killers or other similar medicines.

3. Although Issue 3 is flawed....there will be opportunities in the future to change it. The proposal itself calls for a reassessment in 4 years, where they could potentially add or remove sites based on demand. There is also the opportunity for another proposal that could trump it. Why wait to end prohibition for a "perfect" proposal? Ending prohibition is more important.

4. As crazy as this sounds, limiting grow sites (at least initially) will help to properly establish and enforce standards for regulating the safe and clean production of the product.

5. Money. Lots of "new" money gained and saved for the state to utilize.

6. You can grow your own.


It's obviously complex. Again, though.....the primary factor, IMO, is ending this ludicrous prohibition. If Ohio passes this....more dominos will fall at an even faster rate than they already are.
 
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See, I was all about voting yes on 3 and no on 2 just last week, but then I read this article and now I don't know what to think. The guy sounds like he would totally be for legalizing marijuana but raises some points about why it would be bad to pass this specific one, but I just have no idea how accurate they are.

http://www.columbusunderground.com/issue-3-ohio-dw1
 
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Ron Mehico said:
See, I was all about voting yes on 3 and no on 2 just last week, but then I read this article and now I don't know what to think. The guy sounds like he would totally be for legalizing marijuana but raises some points about why it would be bad to pass this specific one, but I just have no idea how accurate they are.

http://www.columbusunderground.com/issue-3-ohio-dw1
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OTOH what other group out there is going to pony up $20 million for a different proposal?
 
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Some of what he says is valid, some of it isn't.

I agree with his anger towards the "investment scheme" nature of this.

His second point about quality is speculative at best and isn't necessarily true at all. The quality depends on the environment and the people running the show...the scale of the environment has nothing to do with it. There are huge greenhouses in Colorado pumping out very high quality product. Here's one of them. He's assuming here that the product will be second rate and has no grounds to do so.

He mentions the provision will be permanently enshrined in the state's constitution which is true. It can be adjusted / corrected through the same methods being used to get Issue 3 passed right now...understood that it is a daunting task to organize. However, we've seen how far legislators have taken us with ending prohibition up to this point, so I'm not sure why their lack of power over the matter concerns him, being a proponent of legalization. If the people want it changed, it can be changed. This isn't the end game.

His views on home growing are ridiculous, IMO. Complaining about four plants and a half a pound not being enough? Jesus Christ. Also, if I'm allowed to grow plants in my home...I'll roll out a goddamn red carpet for a stooge to come in for 10 minutes and check a few boxes on a clipboard.

Honestly, the container laws make sense to me. You shouldn't be driving and smoking....or smoking in public. The only issue I could see in that case is wanting to take a few grams to a buddy's house. If you're taking it there...why couldn't he just pick it up? Think of it as being inconvenienced because you can't take a few loose beers with you to a party....you'll have to stop at the store and get a fresh 6'er, sorry.


Like I said, I get where he's coming from. But I think many like him are taking it to the extreme simply because of the monopoly situation.
 
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I'm all for the Legalization of Marijuana

I'm voting Yes on 2, No on 3

I don't like the way that this Issue came about, I don't want it legalized like this.
 
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As long it's legal to grow my own I would be happy. I can grow enough yearly in couple plants
 
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WildcatfaninOhio

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As long it's legal to grow my own I would be happy. I can grow enough yearly in couple plants
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With this new law you would have to buy a license from the state. You could then grow up to 4 plants at your residence.

I wonder how much the license is gonna cost? I'll bet it's pricey enough to make you think twice about doing it. We can't have the 10 groups being undercut by home growers, now can we? That would damage their monopoly.
 
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jwheat

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Only Ohio can mess this up. I guess I am gonna go back to hating every thing about it
 
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$50 a year for the license. Not hard to find that information if you spend more than 30 seconds researching the proposals.
 
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WildcatfaninOhio said:
I plan on voting no on Issue 3. The choice to do so saddens me a little because I am in favor of legalization of marijuana. Actually, I'd like to see all drugs decriminalized, but that's an argument for another time.

I hate the way Issue 3 is written. It limits growers to 10 investment groups, and it limits the number of retail outlets to a little over 1000. The retail cost of pot will not be any lower than what you can buy off the street. The best reason (and there are many more good reasons) to legalize is to get pot off the black market.

If Ohio wants a good plan on legalization they would open the market to all growers. Allow a plentiful supply from all over the world. That would drive the price down and effectively put street dealers out of business.
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I wouldn't like Issue 3, but the best reason to legalize is to stop harming people's lives and livelihoods with judicial penalties and criminal records.
 
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Issue 3 was losing 67/33 with 18 percent reporting.

Ohio is too "red" to do this, and when you throw the monopoly aspect in, it's destined to fail.

I don't like the monopoly aspect either, but I'd rather buy dope from the government than risk going to jail buying some on the black market.

It's silly adults are banned from inhaling fumes from a certain type of burning plant, but ... gateways and boogiemen and such.
 
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Issue 1 is pretty big too (anti-gerrymandering commission). Most people don't know that only 40% of the vote can steal an election if you divide it correctly. I'm as interested in what Ohio does as Kentucky actually.
 
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I hope so.
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It got clobbered. It got clobbered and it was by such a margin that the monopoly aspect can't be the only reason. Apparently, Ohio voters were not ready to legalize marijuana. My guess is that there will be quite a few other states that do this before Ohio does it.
 
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MegaBlue05 said:
Issue 3 was losing 67/33 with 18 percent reporting.

Ohio is too "red" to do this, and when you throw the monopoly aspect in, it's destined to fail.

I don't like the monopoly aspect either, but I'd rather buy dope from the government than risk going to jail buying some on the black market.

It's silly adults are banned from inhaling fumes from a certain type of burning plant, but ... gateways and boogiemen and such.
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For what it's worth, you can not go to jail for simple possession of marijuana in Ohio; as a general rule, you cannot even be physically arrested for it. It's a minor misdemeanor. However, some cities may have a stricter local ordinance. For several years, the city of Cincinnati foolishly had a law treating it as misdemeanor of the fourth degree (and higher for repeat offenders) which made it an offense which could result in a physical arrest and possibly a jail sentence upon conviction. The city eventually repealed that ordinance.
 
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Well it's been fun, thanks to ResponsibleOhio for the **** proposal and to Ohio for nothing.

Thanks for the dicktease. Go pump yourselves
 
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Ron Mehico

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I knew it wouldn't pass when I went to go vote. I voted no on 2 and yes on 3, but when you actually went to vote literally issue 3 was stated as "MARIJUANA MONOPOLY LAW" I was like WTF? It literally sounded like a horrible thing just from the title of the issue. Not to mention when I went to go vote at 7:00 me and my wife were the only people under the age of 65. I forgot that like 15% of the population votes, and 95% of the population above the age of 60 votes. They needed to start with medical first and then go from there.
 
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It was a horribly written ballot initiative and I have no idea why they went with recreational plus medicinal - they're the only state to ever try that. Failed in every county in the state too.

I think it will be back on the ballot next year but hopefully better written. I heard next year a bunch of west coast states plus Mass and Michigan may have it on the ballot.

Issue 22 failed in Cincinnati (parks levy).
 
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Hey man where can I vote for weed man I want my voice heard man!

Sir, voting ended yesterday at 7pm.

Nuhuh man my voice wasn't heard man! This is America man! Let me vote for weed man!
 
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Guess ole Nick Lachey will have to wait longer for his next get rich quick scheme.
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This. What a colossal douche. He alone is enough reason to be happy this particular issue failed.

I'd support it in a different format, for sure.
 
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It warms my heart that all the Covington and Newport people are super disappointed this morning.
 
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This. What a colossal douche. He alone is enough reason to be happy this particular issue failed.

I'd support it in a different format, for sure.
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How is he a "colassal douche"? Seems like a normal guy who is pro-Cincinnati bar owner?
 
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I'm guessing the powers that be knew what they were doing when they set this up to fail. Here's an article talking about it - http://www.businessinsider.com/marijuana-legalization-initiative-fails-in-ohio-2015-11

What I don't get is why not just the Colorado model as the base and then make some small changes to fit each state's particular needs. The fact that they didn't tells me that Ohio did not want voters legalizing weed.

When states start seeing the huge influx of cash that Colorado is having, there is no doubt that a lot of states will be joining in the gold rush. Kentucky will not however be one of those.

Speaking of, what is involved in getting this on the ballot? Even if it has no chance of passing, it would be good to at least see how KY would vote, how they envision setting it up, and the anti-weed propaganda that would come up. Considering there's still counties that don't allow alcohol sales, it would be hilarious to see the over the top scare tactics used by those opposed.
 
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