OJ: Made in America

[Deeeefense]

Simpson was declared guilty in the subsequent civil, wrongful death trial and the plaintiffs were awarded a bunch of cash. I seem to recall he fled to Florida at that point to avoid forking up the damage awards to the victims families. I lost track as to if they ever collected or not.

 

[Violent Cuts]

They were awarded $33 million. The Goldman's fought for every penny, not really for the money but wanting him to know that they would never stop. He hid a lot of his assets in various storage facilities, funneled money through other fake organizations, moved to Florida so his income couldn't be collected there, and did everything he could to not pay them anything. The Goldmans even got the rights to his book.

Some of his creditors took nearly everything including his Heisman. It drove him so crazy that it is what inevitably got him in jail. I'm sure the Goldmans and Browns got quite a bit but they'll obviously never get everything. In the documentary they theorize that he got 33 years in jail as a reminder that they were awarded $33 million.

 

[Mojocat_rivals48469]

Watching episode 3 right now. Here's a direct quote from the jury consultant, right after the jury was seated:

"75% of the actual jurors believed he could not have committed these murders because he excelled at football at USC."

At that point, it didn't matter whether the prosecution and police were world class or the Keystone Cops - fate was sealed.....

 

[Mojocat_rivals48469]

It's funny and ironic listening to the anger coming from Cochran and Douglas and others when Darden said if you let Fuhrmans use of the N word into court, the jury will not be able to unhear it - they'll fixate on race. Obviously that was true, and yet here is Douglas 20 years later still incredulous.......There are good reasons why people hate lawyers, and defense lawyers in particular.

 

[UKserialkiller]

OJ is innocent. I'm not even going to watch it.

Glen Rogers killed that white woman.

 

[legalbeagle123]

Another good point made about jury selection was that there are people who can afford to put their lives on hold for 6 months and go into sequestration and people who cannot. The former has a higher percentage of dumbasses.

Also, not that I feel any sympathy for him at all, but that sentence in Nevada is complete horseshit. If that's anyone else but OJ, it's probably felony probation at worst, and more likely amended to a misdemeanor. Karma is a ***** though.

 

[krazykats]

I don't really understand what you're saying but I do know that it's stupid.

Yep because no judge or jury has ever been for sale.

 

[Mojocat_rivals48469]

Another good point made about jury selection was that there are people who can afford to put their lives on hold for 6 months and go into sequestration and people who cannot. The former has a higher percentage of dumbasses.
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Yep. That's when Douglas said "people from lower socio-economic status" would be able to miss work for 6 months, and he said those were "our kind of jurors." I'm imagining someone from another country seeing this and being exposed to the American justice system for the first time. They'd have to be thinking its a farce and a circus....

 

[Deeeefense]

Yep. That's when Douglas said "people from lower socio-economic status" would be able to miss work for 6 months, and he said those were "our kind of jurors." I'm imagining someone from another country seeing this and being exposed to the American justice system for the first time. They'd have to be thinking its a farce and a circus....

Yea, I know lawyers will probably disagree but it just seems like jury trials are like a football game, and the team that has the best coaches (lawyers), the best players (experts, witnesses, consultants) and the most resources (money for research and investigation) will ultimately win the contest. An OJ Simpson with a dream team can get away with murder - literally, but some poor black guy falsely accused of a robbery with court appointed attorney and a $4000 defense budget is probably doomed from the get go. I would like to see some stats or a chart that show the amount of money spent on criminal defense cases, compared to the number of convictions. I would be shocked if there isn't a direct relation to money spent and acquittals.

So is a contest really the best way to seek truth and justice?

 

[College#19]

My only question in regards to OJ will be if he ever admits it. I could see him getting out of Prison at some point and writing a book on his admission. OJ is messed up in the head

 

[Get Buckets]

My only question in regards to OJ will be if he ever admits it. I could see him getting out of Prison at some point and writing a book on his admission. OJ is messed up in the head

 

[UKserialkiller]

My only question in regards to OJ will be if he ever admits it. I could see him getting out of Prison at some point and writing a book on his admission. OJ is messed up in the head

I bet OJ dies of cancer in prison. Calling it now.

 

[musrat59]

I watched a good portion of the trial from the very beginning and they mountains of evidence to convict OJ, but all the evidence in the world wouldn't have convinced this particular jury to convict him.

 

[Diggers_Matching_Highlighter_rivals62132]

Yes...this is our justice system. The only thing the defense needed to do was establish doubt. The defense team easily was able to do it. And OJ was able to easily afford it.

You left out reasonable under your description of the burden of proof.

 

[AlbanyWildCat]

You left out reasonable under your description of the burden of proof.

The cental detective in the case was on tape saying racists statements and how the LAPD alwats plants evidence to ensure their case is solid. Maybe you have a different classification of reasonalbe...probably so...but the defense did what it was paid to do.

Rich people always find a way to beat the system...poor and middle class folks do not enjoy such comforts.

 

[UK_Is_Good]

The cental detective in the case was on tape saying racists statements and how the LAPD alwats plants evidence to ensure their case is solid. Maybe you have a different classification of reasonalbe...probably so...but the defense did what it was paid to do.

Rich people always find a way to beat the system...poor and middle class folks do not enjoy such comforts.

I thought it was interesting when Clark said if she didn't know it wasn't possible for him to plant the glove then she probably would've bought the defense.

 

[Saguaro Cat]

Finally got to watch episode 5 last night. I'm surprised more isn't being made out of his agents interview. He says Oj told Al Cowlings that he did go to Nicole's the night of the murder, but didn't do it. And when the agent asked, he says Oj told him that she would still be alive if she didn't answer the door with a knife in her hands.

 

[wcc31]

Cowlings is such an interesting figure in the entire story. You have to wonder where he stands these days. He was obviously a very loyal friend to OJ, but he was also very close to Nicole. T

 

[Bill Derington]

Cowlings is such an interesting figure in the entire story. You have to wonder where he stands these days. He was obviously a very loyal friend to OJ, but he was also very close to Nicole. T

In the book OJ said he had an accomplice, as close and loyal as Cowlings was to him could it have been him?

It was odd how he broke down in the civil trial when shown a picture of Nicole.

 

[Guess Who]

Has anyone here read OJ's book "If I did it"? I'm curious but don't care to spend the money on it.

 

[UKserialkiller]

Has anyone here read OJ's book "If I did it"? I'm curious but don't care to spend the money on it.

Yep. He writes the book as "IF" he was going to do it.

Surprisingly though, If OJ was going to do it, he would've have done it just like the "real killer".

Weird how OJ and the "real killer" had the exact same plan.

 

[Guess Who]

Yep. He writes the book as "IF" he was going to do it.

Surprisingly though, If OJ was going to do it, he would've have done it just like the "real killer".

Weird how OJ and the "real killer" had the exact same plan.

Damn OJ sounds pretty smart! :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

 

[Diggers_Matching_Highlighter_rivals62132]

The cental detective in the case was on tape saying racists statements and how the LAPD alwats plants evidence to ensure their case is solid. Maybe you have a different classification of reasonalbe...probably so...but the defense did what it was paid to do.

Rich people always find a way to beat the system...poor and middle class folks do not enjoy such comforts.

You are correct, I do not find it reasonable. There was no evidence connecting Fuhrman to a cover up in this case.

Fuhrman could have rolled into the court room sporting a grand wizard robe, and it should not have established reasonable doubt.

You are also correct that the defense did its job. The judge, jury, and prosecution absolutely did not.

Best legal system in the world?

LOL

 

[UKserialkiller]

Damn OJ sounds pretty smart! :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Just as smart as the "real killer'

 

[Blue63Madison]

In the book OJ said he had an accomplice, as close and loyal as Cowlings was to him could it have been him?

There's no way anyone could have left that horrific crime scene without leaving footprints. OJ's were the only prints at or around the scene. His book was nothing but a failed attempt to make money. I'm sure there's another book coming when he's released from prison.

 

[Bill Derington]

There's no way anyone could have left that horrific crime scene without leaving footprints. OJ's were the only prints at or around the scene. His book was nothing but a failed attempt to make money. I'm sure there's another book coming when he's released from prison.

Maybe so, it just seemed curious that in the book he claimed the accomplice took his clothes.

 

[Guess Who]

In the book OJ said he had an accomplice, as close and loyal as Cowlings was to him could it have been him?

It was odd how he broke down in the civil trial when shown a picture of Nicole.

Cowlings seems to be above OJ's scruples but who really knows. It didn't show which pic of Nicole it was but was probably one of them that showed her battered up. Did book say what happened to the murder weapon?

 

[Bill Derington]

Cowlings seems to be above OJ's scruples but who really knows. It didn't show which pic of Nicole it was but was probably one of them that showed her battered up. Did book say what happened to the murder weapon?

In the documentary one of their childhood friends said Cowlings love for OJ was beyond friendship, that he would do anything for the man. As a high school student he stepped between someone with a gun and OJ when they were playing a joke on them. I'm sure he loved nicole, but his love for OJ was more. He's the first guy I thought of when I read the excerpt from the book about an accomplice, and who would be so loyal to OJ as to help in a murder.

 

[Guess Who]

In the documentary one of their childhood friends said Cowlings love for OJ was beyond friendship, that he would do anything for the man. As a high school student he stepped between someone with a gun and OJ when they were playing a joke on them. I'm sure he loved nicole, but his love for OJ was more. He's the first guy I thought of when I read the excerpt from the book about an accomplice, and who would be so loyal to OJ as to help in a murder.

True that AC was loyal and never broke ranks from OJ like "Ship" did for good reason.

 

[Mojocat_rivals48469]

Finally got to watch episode 5 last night. I'm surprised more isn't being made out of his agents interview. He says Oj told Al Cowlings that he did go to Nicole's the night of the murder, but didn't do it. And when the agent asked, he says Oj told him that she would still be alive if she didn't answer the door with a knife in her hands.

Yeah, saw that just last night. Interesting - the idea that OJ was there but someone else - AC - did the killing. But it doesn't comport with the evidence.

 

[Violent Cuts]

His accomplice is Bob Kardashian, who destroyed the weapon and other evidence.

 

[EdHochuli'sTriceps]

They were awarded $33 million. The Goldman's fought for every penny, not really for the money but wanting him to know that they would never stop.

yeah ok

 

[MrLair]

Just out of curious, anyone that is African american really believe he is innocence today? And if you didn't watch please don't reply.

 

[krazykats]

They didn't believe he was innocent then.......they didn't care. It was a statement.

 

[catillac32]

There's no way anyone could have left that horrific crime scene without leaving footprints. OJ's were the only prints at or around the scene. His book was nothing but a failed attempt to make money. I'm sure there's another book coming when he's released from prison.

At the same time, there's almost no way that OJ could have killed Ron and Nicole without transferring more blood to the Bronco.

 

[catillac32]

Maybe so, it just seemed curious that in the book he claimed the accomplice took his clothes.

Jason Simpson would have been a very viable accomplice, as William Dear stated in his book. Nicole had also stood up Jason for dinner that night at the restaurant that Jason was a chef at. Jason was an emotionally disturbed person who has access to a lot of knives.

 

[Violent Cuts]

At the same time, there's almost no way that OJ could have killed Ron and Nicole without transferring more blood to the Bronco.

What are you basing this on? There was no evidence to suggest this.

And considering this is exactly what happened, you're incorrect.

 

[Get Buckets]

At the same time, there's almost no way that OJ could have killed Ron and Nicole without transferring more blood to the Bronco.

 

[EdHochuli'sTriceps]

hesitate to mention this with some of the hooded posters here, but the scene of oj in a black church, at the pulpit, as a woman sings "oooOOOOooooo jaaaaAAAAAAY" was not a a great look for my people

 

[krazykats]

Only because he was too good for your people until they were ready to riot over his *** then he loved your people.

It's a shame really, and maybe whites wouldn't have loved him as they did if he wasn't damn near white himself but so what! We are all different so be true to what/who you are. If it pisses people off screw them!