Ok post your IHSA Playoff system gripes here...

[Anon1754760634]

1. Should be 1-32 all classes.
2. Home field system needs to be scrapped. Higher seed host end of story.


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[MS4EVER]

3. Bring back Wednesday!!! J/K

 

[jwarigaku]

I can't like this post enough. I'm part of the privates so I need a multiplier!

1. Should be 1-32 all classes.
2. Home field system needs to be scrapped. Higher seed host end of story.


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[ignazio]

4. Legit, strength-of-schedule seeding.

 

[godfthr53]

5. Semi's neutral site with multiple games.

 

[HHSTigerFan]

1. Should be 1-32 all classes.
2. Home field system needs to be scrapped. Higher seed host end of story.


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I dont like higher seed hosting in this current system..

 

[stonedlizard]

5. Semi's neutral site with multiple games.

Chance to host a semi's is a special thing for a school and surrounding community. Hate to see that go away.

 

[stonedlizard]

6. State Finals played at stadiums with less than 45k seats

 

[godfthr53]

Chance to host a semi's is a special thing for a school and surrounding community. Hate to see that go away.

yes but think about the fans that would like to see 2-3 top games.

 

[JFelice]

6. State Finals played at stadiums with less than 45k seats

The kids would rather play at UofI while it's mostly empty then a smaller nice HS field or Toyota Park or something. For them it's the experience of playing on a bigtime college field etc.

 

[Golden Warrior_rivals219377]

no conference re-matches in 1st round of playoffs

 

[Oddy]

no conference re-matches in 1st round of playoffs

I second that.

 

[anon_4vszfu35bv677]

Every single on is a great point!

 

[Doctor_D]

Bring back football enrollment.

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

Firstly let me say that I am thankful that at least 7A and 8A are straight 1-32 seeding. I want to acknowledge Progress in the right direction!!

Secondly (and I'm sure a lot of folks wont like this and it's probably not doable in IL - but it sure is in other states):
* let's go back down to 6 classes!!
* Add one week to regular season & remove one week from Playoffs
* Playoffs 4 games including State Title game (not current 5)
* The 10 game regular season auto qualifier 7-3 (at large 6-4)

Make "making the playoffs" even more meaningful and with less state title winners - they are each even more meaningful and hard earned.

Ok throw your tomatoes and rotten fruit now..

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

1 - No rematches round 1
2 - Guarateed free food for media members and former media members
3 - Transportation to all games by Limo for Edgy
4 - 1-32 seeding for 5-8A and 1-16 seeding north and south brackets for all other classes
5 - Home field advantage for better seed every round
6 - A guaranteed cage match between GEPreps and DOS if Mt Carmel and GBW ever play each other
7 - No falling to prep bowl playoffs if CPS or CCL teams lose in the playoffs

 

[badfrog68]

Firstly let me say that I am thankful that at least 7A and 8A are straight 1-32 seeding. I want to acknowledge Progress in the right direction!!

Secondly (and I'm sure a lot of folks wont like this and it's probably not doable in IL - but it sure is in other states):
* let's go back down to 6 classes!!
* Add one week to regular season & remove one week from Playoffs
* Playoffs 4 games including State Title game (not current 5)
* The 10 game regular season auto qualifier 7-3 (at large 6-4)

Make "making the playoffs" even more meaningful and with less state title winners - they are each even more meaningful and hard earned.

Ok throw your tomatoes and rotten fruit now..

What if my garden only has carrots and fresh fruit?

Have no problem with the idea but it still would not eliminate what I think is the biggest issue - a CPS or other team with a great record but has not played anyone getting a high seeding. Everyone wants to be the team in that situation that is 5 - 4 and plays a 9 - 0 CPS school but it does not help playoff legitimacy. Don't see anything in your suggestion that fixes that issue.

 

[mchsalumni]

1-32 seeding will eliminate MOST rematches, so if 1-32, I can live with rematches.

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

What if my garden only has carrots and fresh fruit?

Have no problem with the idea but it still would not eliminate what I think is the biggest issue - a CPS or other team with a great record but has not played anyone getting a high seeding. Everyone wants to be the team in that situation that is 5 - 4 and plays a 9 - 0 CPS school but it does not help playoff legitimacy. Don't see anything in your suggestion that fixes that issue.

Fresh Fruit = Good!!

The state I am thinking of does not have a CPS system like IL, nor does it have the sheer # of Privates like state of IL does.

Yes, you are right - The problem you mention happens in todays system and in the proposal I mention it would still be there.....

I think the only way to possibly Mitigate the problem you speak of would be to go to a SoS Seeding system (would be more subjective)

 

[Prowler2018]

The awful debacle of CPS schools holding 1 and 2 seeds based off of record alone. If you are 9-0 and your point total is less than the cutoff you auto drop to 8- then move up others. Gives them credit for winning them all but balances the bracket

2- Home field requirements round by round

Lastly- the imaginary North South line for 6a and below. I co-sign 1-32 seeding for all.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

1. Should be 1-32 all classes.
2. Home field system needs to be scrapped. Higher seed host end of story.


Keep this going list them here.

Go back to six classes. The push for multipliers and success factors came after class expansion in 2001. Keep everything else in place, have six classes, and let the chips fall where they may.

 

[jwarigaku]

@badfrog68 I posted this to Godfather earlier today regarding a potential solution to the issue. Please let me know what you think. It is not perfect but certainly takes a giant step in a positive direction from today's starting point.

Godfthr,

I'll go back to it again now that PA expanded to 6 classes in football and propose the District 3 ranking system. It takes into account your schedule toughness i.e. Play higher class teams and be rewarded as well as you opponents winning percentage which is also geared to their willingness to schedule tough (equal or higher class) teams during the year. It takes care of qualifying and seeding all at the same time.

http://piaadistrict3.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/POWER-RANKING-EXPLANATION-3.pdf

What if my garden only has carrots and fresh fruit?

Have no problem with the idea but it still would not eliminate what I think is the biggest issue - a CPS or other team with a great record but has not played anyone getting a high seeding. Everyone wants to be the team in that situation that is 5 - 4 and plays a 9 - 0 CPS school but it does not help playoff legitimacy. Don't see anything in your suggestion that fixes that issue.

 

[LHSTigers94]

Districts will be similar to the quad system with Regional representation instead of the best team.

 

[HRCJR]

Change the seeding after the teams are placed in each Class.

Formula to use Seeding Points = (WIns x 9) + Opponents Wins + Defeated Opponents Wins

Sample:

Seed -School -Won - Lost - Opponents' Wins - Defeated Opponents Wins - Seeding Points
1 Wilmette (Loyola Academy) 9 0 46 46 173
2 Chicago (Brother Rice) 8 1 52 43 167
3 Hinsdale (Central) 9 0 41 41 163
4 Flossmoor (Homewood-F.) 9 0 40 40 161
5 Palatine (H.S.) 9 0 40 40 161
6 Lincolnshire (Stevenson) 8 1 45 36 153
7 Oswego (H.S.) 9 0 36 36 153
8 St. Charles (East) 9 0 35 35 151
9 Barrington 8 1 42 33 147
10 Chicago (Marist) 8 1 41 33 146
11 Edwardsville (H.S.) 8 1 41 32 145
12 Chicago (Taft) 8 1 38 34 144
13 Naperville (Neuqua Valley) 8 1 39 32 143
14 Naperville (North) 8 1 39 31 142
15 Frankfort (Lincoln-Way East) 7 2 47 29 139
16 Oswego (East) 8 1 37 28 137
17 Glen Ellyn (Glenbard West) 7 2 42 26 131
18 LaGrange (Lyons) 7 2 42 26 131
19 Aurora (West Aurora) 9 0 24 24 129
20 Oak Park (O.P.-River Forest) 7 2 40 24 127
21 Winnetka (New Trier) 7 2 39 24 126
22 Chicago (Curie) 8 1 29 21 122
23 Huntley 6 3 47 21 122
24 Palatine (Fremd) 6 3 45 21 120
25 Franklin Park-Northlake (Leyden) 7 2 30 21 114
26 Lockport (Twp.) 6 3 40 20 114
27 Park Ridge (Maine South) 6 3 42 18 114
28 Aurora (Waubonsie Valley) 5 4 44 22 111
29 Niles (Notre Dame) 6 3 36 19 109
30 Joliet (West) 6 3 39 15 108
31 Evanston (Twp.) 6 3 37 16 107
32 O'Fallon (H.S.) 5 4 43 12 100

 

[jwarigaku]

LHST,

The Illinois concept of districts sucks not saying you should use districts. Look at the math formula in the link I sent and apply it state wide.

Districts will be similar to the quad system with Regional representation instead of the best team.

 

[Excalibur1188]

-No conference rematches in round 1
-After classes are determined, coaches seed the teams 1-32 or 1-16 N and S (like every other sport does for regionals)
-Phillips should have the open enrollment multiplier

 

[Bwm57]

The home and away system creates a system where it might be advantageous for a team like LWE to be away as an #18 seed week one.
If they win and WV doesn't turn it on like last year, HC is forced to go on the road in week two against a pretty tough opponent.
Obviously it depends on who you get in round 1, but it seems to me it might be a lot better to be a 17-19 seed than to be 14-16 so you have the chance to get one of the top seeds at your field.

 

[Bourne4this]

1. 1-32 Seeding has always, always, always been the best. Best chance of eliminating conference opponents playing in round one.
2. 5A-8A play at Northwestern or Soldier Field. 1A-4A play at U of I/NIU

 

[stonedlizard]

Change the seeding after the teams are placed in each Class.

Formula to use Seeding Points = (WIns x 9) + Opponents Wins + Defeated Opponents Wins

Sample:

Seed -School -Won - Lost - Opponents' Wins - Defeated Opponents Wins - Seeding Points
1 Wilmette (Loyola Academy) 9 0 46 46 173
2 Chicago (Brother Rice) 8 1 52 43 167
3 Hinsdale (Central) 9 0 41 41 163
4 Flossmoor (Homewood-F.) 9 0 40 40 161
5 Palatine (H.S.) 9 0 40 40 161
6 Lincolnshire (Stevenson) 8 1 45 36 153
7 Oswego (H.S.) 9 0 36 36 153
8 St. Charles (East) 9 0 35 35 151
9 Barrington 8 1 42 33 147
10 Chicago (Marist) 8 1 41 33 146
11 Edwardsville (H.S.) 8 1 41 32 145
12 Chicago (Taft) 8 1 38 34 144
13 Naperville (Neuqua Valley) 8 1 39 32 143
14 Naperville (North) 8 1 39 31 142
15 Frankfort (Lincoln-Way East) 7 2 47 29 139
16 Oswego (East) 8 1 37 28 137
17 Glen Ellyn (Glenbard West) 7 2 42 26 131
18 LaGrange (Lyons) 7 2 42 26 131
19 Aurora (West Aurora) 9 0 24 24 129
20 Oak Park (O.P.-River Forest) 7 2 40 24 127
21 Winnetka (New Trier) 7 2 39 24 126
22 Chicago (Curie) 8 1 29 21 122
23 Huntley 6 3 47 21 122
24 Palatine (Fremd) 6 3 45 21 120
25 Franklin Park-Northlake (Leyden) 7 2 30 21 114
26 Lockport (Twp.) 6 3 40 20 114
27 Park Ridge (Maine South) 6 3 42 18 114
28 Aurora (Waubonsie Valley) 5 4 44 22 111
29 Niles (Notre Dame) 6 3 36 19 109
30 Joliet (West) 6 3 39 15 108
31 Evanston (Twp.) 6 3 37 16 107
32 O'Fallon (H.S.) 5 4 43 12 100

I like it @HRCJR chances you'd be a good sport and map out 5A-7A too??

 

[mchsalumni]

2. 5A-8A play at Northwestern or Soldier Field. 1A-4A play at U of I/NIU

Need a turf field, which neither have currently.

 

[MC63]

5. Semi's neutral site with multiple games.

Terrible, terrible, terrible. I don't want to be driving out to NIU or anything like that. Keep it on a high school campus.

 

[RockSoup]

Higher seed always get home field rewards those who play a weak schedule. So if ADs of the blue, DVC and LWEs of the state thought it was hard scheduling now, they'll play only 7 games in the regular season in the future.

The only thing that has to be done is to offer the higher seed in the first round the ability to defer home field. They'll have 24 hours to respond after the selection show. This adds a level of strategy, do you bank the away game or play the home game?

If the seeding process had any actual merit, the #1 seed would have home field throughout. Any formula one develops for seeding will have its own problems and will never be perfect so allow higher seeds the option in round one.

 

[godfthr53]

Terrible, terrible, terrible. I don't want to be driving out to NIU or anything like that. Keep it on a high school campus.

Why couldn't Toyota park or north central be an option.

 

[NazDad]

2. 5A-8A play at Northwestern or Soldier Field. 1A-4A play at U of I/NIU

Logistically unrealistic unless you had the games on different weekends. The IHSA only has so many resources to run the sites and get it all done. The last thing we need is a larger IHSA staff.

 

[all4theillini]

The kids would rather play at UofI while it's mostly empty then a smaller nice HS field or Toyota Park or something. For them it's the experience of playing on a bigtime college field etc.

Of course they would be this doesn't fit the narrative of lazy Chicagoans who love to complain Champaign is too far. Waaaa!!!!

 

[SOUTHSIDECFD]

CPS schools with zero chance of winning? How to fix it? Strength of schedule? If the Prep Bowl is taken away it gets worse with more CPS teams in the state playoffs.

Neutral sites for semis at turf fields so that takes Toyota Park and Soliders Field out of mix.

 

[Zebra2]

Firstly let me say that I am thankful that at least 7A and 8A are straight 1-32 seeding. I want to acknowledge Progress in the right direction!!

Secondly (and I'm sure a lot of folks wont like this and it's probably not doable in IL - but it sure is in other states):
* let's go back down to 6 classes!!
* Add one week to regular season & remove one week from Playoffs
* Playoffs 4 games including State Title game (not current 5)
* The 10 game regular season auto qualifier 7-3 (at large 6-4)

Make "making the playoffs" even more meaningful and with less state title winners - they are each even more meaningful and hard earned.

Ok throw your tomatoes and rotten fruit now..

Very interesting ideas. Of course one more regular season game means one more game to ref!

Z

 

[Zebra2]

The kids would rather play at UofI while it's mostly empty then a smaller nice HS field or Toyota Park or something. For them it's the experience of playing on a bigtime college field etc.

The all around experience- the spectacle aspect of being in the big-time facility- in Champaign is different (and better) than at NIU.

Z

 

[JFelice]

The all around experience- the spectacle aspect of being in the big-time facility- in Champaign is different (and better) than at NIU.

Z

I agree and kids would rather play at UofI than NIU but they'd still much rather play at NIU than a small packed stadium.

 

[stonedlizard]

I agree and kids would rather play at UofI than NIU but they'd still much rather play at NIU than a small packed stadium.

Note I mentioned less than 45k. Not exactly advocating for a stadium like Bolingbrook, just feel something a little smaller can bring a better overall atmosphere while still providing that "big game" feel. Some have balked at Toyota Park, but NU, ISU, NIU all seem appropriate in this lizards mind...