Ok...team is going to bleed out.

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Time to get some answers before the wvu football team is left with fielding a team of castoffs from the marching band. 17 have left since the start of the 2020 season...with 10 coming since the covid season ended. Starters will be anybody who stays it looks like. The new movement to empower the player and neuter coaches has to be part of this. Maybe NBs approach means a transition to virtual ball.
 

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It's not just WVU. Many teams have suffered a lot of defections. I've said it for 2 years. Portalhas its consequences. Genie is out of the bottle.
 

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It's not just WVU. Many teams have suffered a lot of defections. I've said it for 2 years. Portalhas its consequences. Genie is out of the bottle.
Problem is that portal crap feeds right into the me first generation and that undermines the authority of a coach and the need for loyalty to your school. The unintended consequence is...who gives a damn for any olayer. They are increasingly just a commodity.
 

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Sort of like--coach wants a new job somewhere else where they think they have a better opportunity so leave and can coach immediately.

Does that illustrate loyalty to your school and undermine the authority of the AD?
 

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Sort of like--coach wants a new job somewhere else where they think they have a better opportunity so leave and can coach immediately.

Does that illustrate loyalty to your school and undermine the authority of the AD?
Coaches are paid employees of the university. Student athletes are not.

retard.
 

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Similar to coaches, if a student athlete leaves without an acceptable reason, they should make them pay a “buyout fee” or pay back their tuition and costs to the university.
 

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Similar to coaches, if a student athlete leaves without an acceptable reason, they should make them pay a “buyout fee” or pay back their tuition and costs to the university.


Good idea actually. Make the STUDENT athlete pay back his tuition and expenses to the program the athlete fvcked over.
 
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It is hard to judge what direction the program is headed after two seasons. We did see better play on the feild last year, so thst showed progress. I will wait another year or two before I get concerned.
 

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It is hard to judge what direction the program is headed after two seasons. We did see better play on the feild last year, so thst showed progress. I will wait another year or two before I get concerned.


Fair. I‘ve gone back and forth a bit but Brown definitely deserves his chance to build the program into a Top 20-30 program IMO. He needs to bump the recruiting up one level if he wants to be a Top 4 Big 12 team. His recruiting classes need to be in that Top 20-28.
 

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Your last sentence describes what it means to be a Mountaineer fan.
Well we could be like Pitt and change coaches every few years and suck at everything. You are a glass half empty kind of guy and can only look at things thru that lense. I choose to see how this plays out as he gets more of his own recruits into the sysyem.
 

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Fair. I‘ve gone back and forth a bit but Brown definitely deserves his chance to build the program into a Top 20-30 program IMO. He needs to bump the recruiting up one level if he wants to be a Top 4 Big 12 team. His recruiting classes need to be in that Top 20-28.
Well keeping the "stars" around would help. If this is the new normal for college sports...who needs it?
 

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Well we could be like Pitt and change coaches every few years and suck at everything. You are a glass half empty kind of guy and can only look at things thru that lense. I choose to see how this plays out as he gets more of his own recruits into the sysyem.
Once again your last sentence describes the collective historical position of Mountaineer football fans lol. We are a gullible group.
 

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Well we could be like Pitt and change coaches every few years and suck at everything. You are a glass half empty kind of guy and can only look at things thru that lense. I choose to see how this plays out as he gets more of his own recruits into the sysyem.


Not the case. Narduzzi is in year 7. WVU has had 4 coaches in last 20 years. Pitt and WVU football are basically the same in my opinion. 25-40. But the bigger point is this is a discussion about WVU. Really outside of WVU fanbase insecurities Pitt should never come up. I agree with you regarding everything else.
 

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Not the case. Narduzzi is in year 7. WVU has had 4 coaches in last 20 years. Pitt and WVU football are basically the same in my opinion. 25-40. But the bigger point is this is a discussion about WVU. Really outside of WVU fanbase insecurities Pitt should never come up. I agree with you regarding everything else.
Not insecurities but more learning from other's mistakes. Pitt ran off Wanny then their basketball coach and have never returned to the same levels. The 20 year comparision is way off base. WVU is head shoulders above Pitt football on the 20 year scale. Now looking at the last 5 years, I could buy that.
 

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I don't understand the compulsion of some Mountaineer sports fans to bring up Pitt and Marshall in posts. The only school that matters is the one you are playing today. The past is the past and can't be rewritten...unless you are Stumbling Joe Biden...and the future belongs to God.
 

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Not insecurities but more learning from other's mistakes. Pitt ran off Wanny then their basketball coach and have never returned to the same levels. The 20 year comparision is way off base. WVU is head shoulders above Pitt football on the 20 year scale. Now looking at the last 5 years, I could buy that.


Hoops for sure. Football as we sit here, and that’s what we’re talking about, are literally identical the last 8 or 9 years. There‘s like one win difference. Cherry picking historical points in time is kinda lame. I mean Pitt has an incredible history both in college and NFL obviously. And I wasn’t saying you’re insecure!!! ADs screwed Pitt big time Barnes really set hoops back a decade. Before that jerkoff Pederson ran Wanny out of the program. Short sighted and of course timing couldn’t have been worse. Penn St imploded like two months later and Pitt **** themselves with the Hayward hire and dismissal then the one year Todd Graham debacle. At the end of the day Pitt has generally been ok and a tough out but not Top 25.
 

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Time to get some answers before the wvu football team is left with fielding a team of castoffs from the marching band. 17 have left since the start of the 2020 season...with 10 coming since the covid season ended. Starters will be anybody who stays it looks like. The new movement to empower the player and neuter coaches has to be part of this. Maybe NBs approach means a transition to virtual ball.

Take a look at the Supreme Court today, NCAA getting hammered by the most conservative members of the court.

There will be a tidal wave of changes coming. Things aren't going back to the way they were. The NCAA and amatuerism are taking body-blows, and rightfully so, imo.
 

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Having followed recruiting for three decades this is what I see. Neal is not recruiting any better than the previous coach. He also has a lot of players leaving. This bleeding needs to stop. Also, until we start landing four or five four star players a year we are not going to do much better than 7-5 in this conference. This was a rebuilding year for OU and look how well they did. Until our classes start looking a little more similar to theirs do not expect much better than 7-5. Also, we need to admit to ourselves the long traveling distances are killing us esp in football. You need depth to overcome that. Something WVU rarely has.
 

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Bruno...you touch on an interesting point...or points. The travel to play conference games has got to be an issue...that no one wants to talk about. Makes it virtually impossible for players families...regular Joe fans...and classmates to get to those games. Tons of time away from school and classes etc. Hell Longhorns are mostly instate and regional for example. SEC schools are much more densely packed as are most of the ACC. Got to weigh on a recruit's mind. Also you are right about 7-5 type years. WVU football gad firmly entrenched itself in the Big 12-2=10 conference as a middle or high low tier program...hardly a big draw to too talent. However given the current P5 factor not a lot of choices.