Half her stats came after the game was out of hand. same with Harpring. I don't expect her to carry the team, but when we have those shaky moments like we did in the 3rd quarter, I expect her to be the steadying hand and I felt that she fell gravely short of that expectation today.
Oklahoma Preview & Game Thread
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Oh wow. Was Oklahoma full of returners and upper classmen. I must have missed that part. That showing after the HYPE does not warrant bottle feeding. Sorry but to quote coach. Looks like we still taking knifes to a gun fight. Heck plastic ones at that lol
Did not realize we had an entire new starting lineup; that is a pretty crazy stat, though accurate.
It is indeed game 1; plenty of time to rebound. (no pun intended)
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I've been attending women's basketball games for over 40 years and I have had enough of CB. Carolina is not Princeton. What she did there doesn't work in the ACC or anywhere else. She is not a good coach. She reminds me of Hubert. Just puts players on the court and lets them go. She can't beat good teams because her teams are undisciplined. They lack fundamentals, run no offensive sets, can't shoot layups or free throws, only pop threes once in a while. They don't box out on the boards and play very little defense without fouling. Her teams have very little basketball IQ, It's a CB trademark. And Brooks makes horrible decisions over and over and she leaves her in the game instead of teaching her.. Before some of you rake me over the coals, and you have a right to voice your opinon just as I do, I am a 45 year member of the Rams Club and I played D1 ball for a top coach but I won't mentiion who. I will respect your retorts, but you must respect mine as well. We need a better coach. Go Heels!
A CB trademark. Brain dead 3rd quarters. They must nap at halftime.
I don't pretend to be an expert But some friends I know that I consider experts agree
Now lets straighten it out somehow
I left after the first quarter of the Davidson exhibition game. Anyone who watched that game knew this team was not ready to win this game today. I really tried to optimistic about this season, but same ole same ole!
That's totally unexceptable and on the coaching staff and just not true. Davidson gave this team a good game. Davidson!
Not great is being very nice! She is a freshman who is given the keys to the car! And Laila and Cardy played bad but there play didnt result into easy baskets. This isnt the first time this happened. The 1st scrimmage she turned the ball over while pressured in open court.
Coach lately talking about taking spoons to a knife fight. Now armed with our knives she said. Announcers said that. Same ole plastic spoonery, coach. Some here INSIST that we put great trust in words of biased folks. Not me. Words are in the air. Games are real and played between people on wood floors.
Some here are insistent on belief in words from others. That has always been the way of this board IMO. Talk does not gain ACC tops. It doesn't even gain 4th place in the ACC. Play damned ball to win. Today this team was exposed. I believe Harpring, Burroughs, Brooks, Akot can play. Not much else positive today. Hope for improvement. Hope for Toomey. Talk .....
Considering how many new players were going to be trying to develop chemistry etc. I really wish this team had taken the opposite approach and begun with a much easier schedule. Throwing someone into the deep end of the pool before they learn to swim can have some bad results.
Again, some shakiness from her is to be expected. Not so much from our seniors. If she’s still turning it over like this in January, we can talk about taking the keys away
Do you think how we performed today determines the entire rest of our season?
I wouldn't say harder but obviously the plays revolve around KH taking shots. Other people have the guts to shoot the shot but 27 shots on one on one basketball is very RJ ish! Why put so much pressure on the freshman? She is going to be elite absolutely. But work it thru an offense. Get others involved. Im very critical of RK but she can get the team into sets, not a turn over risk. Harpring had a bad game. Thats ok
Okay, over to the MBB board. I’m sure everyone there will be patient not expect too much.
The first 5 mins of that game will decide if I’ll take a break from IC until field hockey tomorrow lol
Interesting first game. I thought the guards played one on one too much but then we don't have much of an inside presence right now beyond Akot.
Defense might take a few games to pan out with so many new faces, but I think it will.
I am all for giving Bofia10-15 minutes per game as this may pay dividends down the road. Not happy we lost but honestly I am not really that concerned.
Defense might take a few games to pan out with so many new faces, but I think it will.
I am all for giving Bofia10-15 minutes per game as this may pay dividends down the road. Not happy we lost but honestly I am not really that concerned.
It's early in the season, playing Oklahoma and SC back to back will result in an 0-2 start. But some ridicule's Duke last season for starting out as a sub par below .500 team, but tough competition early will only help this team mature as the season progresses.
I think we can all agree that the wheels fell off in the 3rd Quarter.
Here is the Q3 box score:
North Carolina 3rd Quarter Box Score
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Box scores do not really show defense. As bad as the shooting is above, the biggest issue was allowing 31 points in Q3. We actually won the other three quarters combined:
I will make the caveat that one quarter in a single basketball game is a really small sample size. statistically, there is no significance here.
But what did your eyes see? I saw a lot of small ball, and it simply did not work. We played roughly 4 min in the quarter with Harpring, Kelly and White on the floor together. we fouled a ton when we were overmatched in the interior. OK outrebounded us +6 this quarter. 12 second chance points for OK. We matched them pretty even in rebounding the other 3 quarters combined.
I actually thought our interior offense and defense improved once we put Bofia in, though still not great. This was one of the fastest teams in the country and she was processing/reacting at their speed.
Oklahoma has great guards. But in this game at least, small ball did not work. we matched them at best on the perimeter, but they killed us on the interior.
Here is the Q3 box score:
North Carolina 3rd Quarter Box Score
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| # | Player | PTS | FG | 3FG | FT | OR | DR | REB | A | PF | TO | BL | ST | MIN | +/- |
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| 7* | BROOKS,N | 1 | 0-1 | 0-0 | 1-2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 6 | -15 |
| 8* | AKOT,A | 2 | 1-3 | 0-1 | 0-0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 6 | -13 |
| 10* | KELLY,R | 2 | 1-1 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 10 | -17 |
| 11* | HARPRING,K | 2 | 1-5 | 0-1 | 0-0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 6 | -10 |
| 26* | QUEIROZ,T | 0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 3 | WHITE,G | 2 | 1-3 | 0-1 | 0-0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 7 | -12 |
| 4 | HULL,L | 0 | 0-2 | 0-2 | 0-0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 3 | -5 |
| 5 | BURROWS,S | 3 | 1-3 | 1-3 | 0-0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 4 | -4 |
| 13 | CLARDY,C | 0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 34 | THOMAS,B | 0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 52 | BOFIA,N | 2 | 1-2 | 0-0 | 0-0 | 3 | 1 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 7 | -9 |
| QTR TOTALS | 14 | 6-20 | 1-8 | 1-2 | 6 | 3 | 9 | 4 | 9 | 4 | 1 | 3 | |||
| QTR PCT | 30.0 | 12.5 | 50.0 |
Box scores do not really show defense. As bad as the shooting is above, the biggest issue was allowing 31 points in Q3. We actually won the other three quarters combined:
| TEAM | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | T |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
OU | 18 | 21 | 31 | 21 | 91 |
UNC | 19 | 19 | 14 | 27 | 79 |
I will make the caveat that one quarter in a single basketball game is a really small sample size. statistically, there is no significance here.
But what did your eyes see? I saw a lot of small ball, and it simply did not work. We played roughly 4 min in the quarter with Harpring, Kelly and White on the floor together. we fouled a ton when we were overmatched in the interior. OK outrebounded us +6 this quarter. 12 second chance points for OK. We matched them pretty even in rebounding the other 3 quarters combined.
I actually thought our interior offense and defense improved once we put Bofia in, though still not great. This was one of the fastest teams in the country and she was processing/reacting at their speed.
Oklahoma has great guards. But in this game at least, small ball did not work. we matched them at best on the perimeter, but they killed us on the interior.
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We got hurt down in the post during the 3rd quarter. Their guards posted our guards, and they just bullied us down low. When CB went to that small lineup, that is when OK got a lot of offensive rebounds because we were just too small.
That is my assessment as well. When we went to small ball, that was when OK killed us in the interior. CB finally but Noelle in and we saw how Noelle was making a difference in the paint. She had a nice block and she altered some shots.
Moving forward, we might need to have Noelle in from the jump start until Toomey gets back with Akot at the four. TQ did not do much nor did LH. RK was struggling as well. Against SC, I would start Noelle at the 5 if Toomey is not ready, Akot at the four, NB at the 3, SB at the two, and Kate at the one. Coming off the bench should be Gabby, RK, and CC. I just don't know what happened to LH. She was missing wide opens threes, etc. RK did not look comfortable as well. When Toomey comes back, Noelle, Gabby, RK, and CC will need to be the first ones off the bench. I was impressed with Noelle again with little minutes. She definitely needs to play more simply because she can rebound on both ends, block and alter shots, runs the floor very well, and get score around the rim. I would like to see Nyla drive more to the hole.
LeeLee Bell is what happened. 9-21, 4-7 from 3, 8 reb. Pretty great debut for a freshman against a ranked team. She's 6-3 and we couldn't guard her. I know we recruited her but OK won the battle for her services. She may never have a game like this again but I would bet she will be a big force for them.
I agree with almost everything except KH at the 1. Shes not a point guard on this level right now. If CB rolls her out there at the 1 against SC, it might due irreversible damage to KH’s confidence. Play her off the ball so she can work on becoming a mire efficient scorer.
We got taken to the woodshed…outcompeted completely. It looked to me like Banghart wanted to run with OK and we did not have the horses. Very undisciplined basketball, bad decisions, didn’t play smart.
But I actually think it’s good for this team. There’s not a clear identity or leaders on our squad. Definitely not on the court at least. Reniya should have settled us down but I don’t think she’s confident enough in her game right now. So Harpring, White, Akot are going to have to step up as leaders. Tough spot for young/new kids but I think those are the 3 that are going to have to set the tone if we’re going to be any good. Compose everybody else, run some offense, play smarter basketball, win their matchups, and make the others better. Banghart needs to get Akot more involved and use her athleticism in the pick and roll. Harping and White have the tools to be an excellent backcourt but they’re young and inexperienced. They need to develop chemistry together. We don’t need those two plus Reniya on the court at the same time.
Bofia is the brightest surprise to me on this team and she makes plays almost every possession (a deflection, block, O board…and that hook shot is money). She is a tremendous presence and needs the minutes. She will be very good come March if given the opportunity. I hope Banghart has learned from being gun shy with our unproven Bigs…it’s hurt us. Put her in there and let her learn. Toomey will be a leader on the court when she’s back and a matchup problem for a lot of teams. Kelly will get her confidence by easing back in and not being central to the offense right now. Clardy and Burrows can be good, steady role players. I don’t know that I’ve seen enough from Brooks to think she’s going to be much more than a spot up shooter, she doesn’t impact the game enough anywhere else right now. I hope I’m wrong and I’m sure there’s another gear in there somewhere. But TBD.
Banghart really needs to coach this year more than she has since her first year or two in the program. I think she was overconfident in her pieces and she just let them go out and play…that’s not going to work with this group. We are not talented or experienced enough yet. The power and athleticism of Chavez, Bell, and Williams overwhelmed us. Banghart’s going to have to define roles and figure out who her leaders are. Run sets and play a lot more disciplined. She’ll get this group together, but she didn’t have us ready today.
I am so glad we have Harpring and I see the competitiveness in her. She forced things today bc she felt like she had to…like she had to against Maryland, but her biggest growth will be learning she can rely on her teammates. That means everyone else needs to step up too.
It’s gonna be a rocky first month I think for this group, but we’ll get there.
But I actually think it’s good for this team. There’s not a clear identity or leaders on our squad. Definitely not on the court at least. Reniya should have settled us down but I don’t think she’s confident enough in her game right now. So Harpring, White, Akot are going to have to step up as leaders. Tough spot for young/new kids but I think those are the 3 that are going to have to set the tone if we’re going to be any good. Compose everybody else, run some offense, play smarter basketball, win their matchups, and make the others better. Banghart needs to get Akot more involved and use her athleticism in the pick and roll. Harping and White have the tools to be an excellent backcourt but they’re young and inexperienced. They need to develop chemistry together. We don’t need those two plus Reniya on the court at the same time.
Bofia is the brightest surprise to me on this team and she makes plays almost every possession (a deflection, block, O board…and that hook shot is money). She is a tremendous presence and needs the minutes. She will be very good come March if given the opportunity. I hope Banghart has learned from being gun shy with our unproven Bigs…it’s hurt us. Put her in there and let her learn. Toomey will be a leader on the court when she’s back and a matchup problem for a lot of teams. Kelly will get her confidence by easing back in and not being central to the offense right now. Clardy and Burrows can be good, steady role players. I don’t know that I’ve seen enough from Brooks to think she’s going to be much more than a spot up shooter, she doesn’t impact the game enough anywhere else right now. I hope I’m wrong and I’m sure there’s another gear in there somewhere. But TBD.
Banghart really needs to coach this year more than she has since her first year or two in the program. I think she was overconfident in her pieces and she just let them go out and play…that’s not going to work with this group. We are not talented or experienced enough yet. The power and athleticism of Chavez, Bell, and Williams overwhelmed us. Banghart’s going to have to define roles and figure out who her leaders are. Run sets and play a lot more disciplined. She’ll get this group together, but she didn’t have us ready today.
I am so glad we have Harpring and I see the competitiveness in her. She forced things today bc she felt like she had to…like she had to against Maryland, but her biggest growth will be learning she can rely on her teammates. That means everyone else needs to step up too.
It’s gonna be a rocky first month I think for this group, but we’ll get there.
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Yeah, I agree totally on Bell; however, I never say Akot really guard her or Noelle. I think Noelle is quick enough to guard her on the wing, but we never say that match up. I cannot recall how many times Akot guarded her on defense side of the ball. It might have been once or twice at the most. We had smaller people trying to guard her and that was no answer like TQ and SB mostly. She is really good, but I believe Noelle could have made her arch the ball higher in order to shoot over her length and that could have caused her to miss some of those shots; just a thought.
I agree totally with your assessment. I think RK needs to come off of the bench to get her confidence back. Having her, Kate, and Gabby is not going to work. I would like to see SB at the two or Gabby at the two starting the game off like you said with NB starting at the 5.
I have re-watched the film once and if we had made our layups we win the game. Unreal misses.
Oklahoma had an off the charts shooting game. Not just Leelee Bell but basically every player that shot.
I felt like we played too much helter skelter/street ball type game. I believe you run when it is there but if it is not you play in a rhythm with a offensive plan. Maybe we need a secondary break.
We really need Toomey back. We need to play Bofia more. She is very athletic 6'4 and has talent. Small ball just is not going to cut it with this team. Bofia at the 5 and Toomey at the 4 might be our best lineup.
We stumped our toe yesterday and the odds of beating S. Carolina are not good but I still think we will be a good/maybe even great team if we take some progress on some area's.
Oklahoma had an off the charts shooting game. Not just Leelee Bell but basically every player that shot.
I felt like we played too much helter skelter/street ball type game. I believe you run when it is there but if it is not you play in a rhythm with a offensive plan. Maybe we need a secondary break.
We really need Toomey back. We need to play Bofia more. She is very athletic 6'4 and has talent. Small ball just is not going to cut it with this team. Bofia at the 5 and Toomey at the 4 might be our best lineup.
We stumped our toe yesterday and the odds of beating S. Carolina are not good but I still think we will be a good/maybe even great team if we take some progress on some area's.
I'm hoping this season is going to be special. Feels like the program has somewhat stagnated and CB has reached a ceiling of good to very good but can't get over the hurdle to being consistently excellent. This is another setback in that quest for certain.
My take - that 3rd qtr lineup allowed OK to get the breathing room they needed for the rest of the game - going forward, Harping needs to have the ball in her hands and the rest of the players need to play off her - what Harping needs most is shooters around her - until Toomey returns, I would start Akot, Burrows, and Brooks with Harping as this would allow Gabby to play the defensive stopper role for whoever is hot on the other team - imho
Against SC, which is our next game, if Toomey is not ready to go, then we will need to start Noelle. We are going to need some size to go against them. Small ball is not going to work. If we thought Oklahoma was killing us on the boards, then we have not seen anything yet with SC. Gabby will be to small to start that game IMO. You do Dawn was watching how OK posted up our smaller guards in the inside. I bet she is going to do the same. With Akot and Noelle both being in the game. They should help out on the boards along with SB being on the wing. SB can also help on the board. We will have 6'4", 6'2", and 6"1" with Noelle, Akot, and SB. Here again if Toomey is not available. Against Maryland in the scrimmage, CB did have Noelle and Akot in together and that did help out on the boards if my memory is correct.
Sigh...let's be clear, Hubert ran set plays so much that fans complained that he wasn't running more freelance offense. I do think CB does allow the players to freelance too often and it results in 1:1 YOLO situations from players too often.
My biggest gripe with CB is not having shooters when it feels like jump shots are the only open shots you get when your freelance offense can't break anyone down off the dribble.
This will be another good test for young women moving forward. Either way, this game is going to reveal some weaknesses, areas of growth, and things our team will still need to work on. This will help us to become mentally tough and strong moving forward if we win or lose. Duke played a very tough schedule last year. They lost four games in a row. Then they learn from the loses and went on their run. Hopefully, we can do the same if we should lose to SC. There is really no pressure on them. The pressure will be on SC since they are the number 1 team in the country. Our players should play loose, have fun, play hard, and smart because there will not be any pressure on them since they are the lower ranked team. This is a perfect time for an upset and to shock the world. Our football team almost did that this past Saturday against Miami. Go Heels!
YES!!! Small ball killed us and their bigger guards/forwards killed us on the boards. We got a total of 9 rebounds but there were 23 missed shots by both teams in that quarter. So we got outrebounded by 5, and it felt like they made a basket on every offensive rebound they got.
Looking at the box score though it was really the wide open 3 pointers that killed us in the 3rd quarter. They hit 3 more than us, made 2 pts were even (4 apiece a think) and FTs were even.
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