Old #9 question on Jax in poll form
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I believe just Kyle Dake. Yianni won as a true freshman and sophomore but Olympic redshirted in 2020 and 2021. But neither Dake or Yianni took a greyshirt before enrolling at Cornell.
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Didn’t know that, I thought it was like a rule at Cornell that you greyshirted.
Well first Jax will take an R or O shirt at some point. To question: Pat Smith won first 3 no Rshirt, he only took one due to OSU not allowed to compete Sr year. I'd say that made #4 harder not easier.
I watched his matches so far and I still hope that he decides to finish his senior year of high school and comes to Stillwater next year. He struggled some in the semi's, just not sharp.
In what way did he struggle? He never seemed remotely in danger to me.
To be fair of the seven wrestlers who have won as true freshmen since 2010, five of them (Ferrari, Cox, Dake, Martin, Lee) were 19 like Forrest and one was 18 (Diakomihalis). Only Mark Hall was older as a true freshman.
We'll have to agree to disagree. Jax is just playing with these guys. In my view there was no struggling other than Corbin struggling to stay off his back the whole match and the refs forgetting to count all the neutral danger back points. Should have been a tech.
Jax just placed 5th in the entire world. He easily won his bracket at the U.S. Open, teching Nashon Garrett, a former national champ and beating Davina head to head who is ranked #2 and undefeated at 133 in College who also beat Daton Fix who was in Jax's bracket. Blaze is ranked #5 and undefeated at 133 in college and Jax teched Gross, a former national champ, in the finals who bonused Blaze to get there. Jax just beat Vito head to head 2 straight at Final X and Vito is aworld champion and 2 time NCAA champ. Jax is also the reigning U23 World Champion. Do you seriously think he should be wrestling high school kids right now? If he wants to finish his high school season for social reasons that's one thing, but as far as making an argument that he is not ready to win a college title this year isn't credible to me. In today's day and age if they're ready, you wrestle them now. There are too many unknowns in the future to redshirt these guys.
He's 19 years old as well.
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I still contend he’s a senior medalist. It’s still baffling to me that the challenge system was broken at the sports highest level event.
I agree, he deserved to be top 3 in the world.
He did all that at the age of 18 as well. The only way I would not want him to compete for OSU this year is if he has grown out of 133 or he just really wants to finish up with his high school.
Well against the 6th rated wrestler at 138 he did not get a takedown in the 1st period. Not scoring in the 1st period would surprise most people. He is 1 of the best wrestlers in the country and he was not clean and quick on his offense. Was he in danger of losing, no. Should he have been cleaner and more dominant, yes. I thought that was a c- match for Jax. My comments are very tied to Jax being unbelievable great wrestler. Also, we are not winning a team championship this year. Next year we could have a slight chance with Landon, Sergio and Dee jumping levels, along with Jax. We would have Troy, Alex, Casey or Tagen at 149. Then young wrestlers Merrill and Ryder where a light bulb could come on any time. Maybe Ross will be ready at HWT. We only lose Doucet from this years team and so next year we should be much better as a team. That is my thoughts. I also have watched a couple of Penn. St duals which were frightening.
Question: If Jax attends OSU this semester, when does his eligibility start? Will this year count against him if he doesn't participate? If so, it's a no-brainer. If he can attend OSU tis semester, and his clock doesn't start, it becomes a different question.
If he enrolls at OSU his eligibility clock starts however he could use redshirt.
He could also move to Stillwater and train at the RTC without starting his clock.
You get 4 post seasons to compete. OS, RS and/or GS are available. So, you have 7 years to Wrestle 4.
He will jump levels once in the room training and competing full time D1 level folkstyle. Plus we need him for the ISU and Iowa duals. All that if he is our best guy and can win the 133 spot.
If you watch his world championship matches you'll see a very different Jax. It's a whole different level of focus, preparation and controlled wrestling. He doesn't need to be at that level against these kids. He wrestled very sloppy against them. These high school matches don't at all show what level he can wrestle at.
Weird match. Also they shorted Jax a point. It was 8-2 when he got the cradle and 4 NF. Should've been 15-2, but they made it 14-2 for some reason.
Jax reminded me of a base jumper who just needed some adrenaline to feel alive… almost like he was inviting chaos for the sake of being bored. Or he’s rusty
Looking forward to the Zinkin/Burnett match!
Looking forward to the Zinkin/Burnett match!We'll probably have him for the OU dual.
I didn't see this match, but think judging an athlete/ wrestler by a singe match is short sighted. Alex Derringer struggled against Missouri his senior year in the dual - ridden an entire period and struggled to get a take down. Alex had a great career finishing 3,1,1,1 and hodge trophy as everyone here knows. If you based your opinion on that match, you wound not think Alex was elite.
I think Jax should wait until next year, but don't think a decision should be made on one match or tournament.
He did not say he would wrestle for OK State next semester. He did say he would "Gray Shirt" or "Red shirt" and would be at OK State next semester. That is what I want and apparently that is what he is going to do. He is not going to be in our lineup next semester unless he changes his mind. In the finals match he looked incredibly sloppy and was in danger of being pinned at one point. His talent is out of this world and that saved him from being defeated. He will not ever have that mindset in an Orange and Black singlet.
Jax Forrest reflects
At 2:55 he says, "You know, I'm going to go down, I'm going down, you know, next week and, you know, grayshirting, redshirting. I'm I'm deciding between those two" which seems definite.
But then at 3:04 he says, "I'm going to be in the in the room. you know, depending on if it's just RTC or if it's in the college room on the team, you know, it's something that, you know, I'm going to go down there, test the waters a little bit, see how I'm feeling, and then make a decision" which is not so definite as "in the college room" could be redshirting or on the team.
At 2:55 he says, "You know, I'm going to go down, I'm going down, you know, next week and, you know, grayshirting, redshirting. I'm I'm deciding between those two" which seems definite.
But then at 3:04 he says, "I'm going to be in the in the room. you know, depending on if it's just RTC or if it's in the college room on the team, you know, it's something that, you know, I'm going to go down there, test the waters a little bit, see how I'm feeling, and then make a decision" which is not so definite as "in the college room" could be redshirting or on the team.
FWIW redshirts are still “on the team”. My interpretation
Greyshirt - not enrolled. Only RTC freestyle practices
Redshirt- enrolled. RTC freestyle AND college team folk style practices.
Realistically Jax isn’t a kid you redshirt unless it’s an Olympic redshirt. Coming in for the spring semester to “redshirt” and train through next Fall gives him plenty of time to get settled into Stillwater before he makes his inevitable 133 title run (God willing)
Greyshirt - not enrolled. Only RTC freestyle practices
Redshirt- enrolled. RTC freestyle AND college team folk style practices.
Realistically Jax isn’t a kid you redshirt unless it’s an Olympic redshirt. Coming in for the spring semester to “redshirt” and train through next Fall gives him plenty of time to get settled into Stillwater before he makes his inevitable 133 title run (God willing)
Redshirt allows him to wrestle in some duals, but not the NCAA tourney.
My understanding is that he has until January 16th to enroll in school if he’s going to.
There is a little leeway there but within about a week of that he would need to be enrolled (if he wanted wrestle or take a RS year).
Is the 5 year thing dead? Or if it’s not, will kids that redshirt before the rule change still be able to get 5 years?
Side note: a Folk style match/practice between Vega and Jax would be fun to watch.
Side note: a Folk style match/practice between Vega and Jax would be fun to watch.
From interviews it is obvious that Jax thinks that he struggled Tuesday. I don't think he would give himself a C-. He should not make his decision based on that tournament, but he is not in a good place with his wrestling right now. He would have 2 months to get on course which of course he could but I still hope he chooses redshirt or gray shirt. It is his decision and the staff's decision. If he redshirts he needs to get in 5 competitions but that would hurt Ramirez or Figueroa. Again, not my decision obviously, whatever is decided I hope it works out well for us.
Worth noting there’s rumors about the flu or something running around Bishop McCourt. That’s allegedly why the Bassets didn’t wrestle so Jax could very well have been sick or still recovering.
I’m torn, I don’t want Jax for only half a season but without him we likely get 0 points at 133 at the ncaa tournament which could be the difference in getting a team trophy. I wouldn’t mind using him as a hired gun in a redshirt and putting him in for his 5 ”free dates” against Iowa, Iowa State, Missouri, Northern Iowa and Va Tech
...will not Jax miss a lot of OSU wrestling times between now and freestyle and Olympic extensions...........?......still have unknowns of size and possible injuries, etc...............wrestle now and approach the futures closer to their existence..........I really think he will wrestle.......OU would be a good place to start as a Cowboy......................next WEEKEND.............in G-Iba..............
It would take a terrible draw for either of our current options to catch a blank.