Yet, we are to believe our young linebackers are studs and the young offensive line will magically be good just like the last ten offensive line classes before them.
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Yet, we are to believe our young linebackers are studs and the young offensive line will magically be good just like the last ten offensive line classes before them.
So you want heads to roll before we find out? That makes sense. Frost and his staff have had A YEAR AND A HALF. Good heavens man.
They've played a lot better teams than we have. Iowa is a good team. They have a good offensive line and our defensive line is probably going to get pushed back 7 yards each play when we play them just like what happened last year.
I would be more than okay if Austin and Chinander decided to take other jobs after the season. You are acting like it’s a foregone conclusion that the freshmen class is stacked. We have only been saying the same thing for how long now?
But it’s not even worth discussing that option. Frost won’t move on from them and they aren’t likely to get a better job than what they have now.
Maybe if we can make some plays and stop the stupid penalties. You need to get a grip. Your frantic negativity is not healthy.
And you being delusional as usual will only lead to heartache in the future when history repeats itself.
Just like Tim Miles can’t make shots for the team. LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing
What heartache? I was fine with Miles getting axed and said so months before it happened. Was saying that Miles can't make shots for them wrong? Nope. We've had some good discussions about coaching over the past couple of years. I just think it's awfully early to be calling for heads with this staff. Frost isn't a fool. IMO, he can evaluate his staff better than I can. You've just been pounding the keyboard for heads to roll like you're some kind of troll. It isn't helpful IMO in any way shape or form. Frost knows what is going on isn't good enough and he's said as much. One way or another it will get fixed without our input.
I think getting better is the priority. Winning championships is a long ways off. Other teams will keep getting better while we get better. If they stay the same we are still behind. Ol is not the only problem. We need bigger receivers and we need to use the tight ends.
Derp.... we aren't those teams and haven't been in 20+ years...the offensive line coach coached a line of one of the best offenses in the country. Almost none of our oline coaches in the last 20 years can say the same thing. The line is bad but not as bad as we think...Frost is stuck trying to run his offense because he needs talent to come here, and explosive talent. Wandale doesn't come to NU if we would have sat in 2 back, power sets last year. Remember when we did that in 2009 , 2010...well we couldn't recruit any talent and Bo was fired by 2014...by continuing to run the offense Scott can sell where players will fit, including olineman, wrs, rbs...he can simply say....look our talent sucks but we will use you like Wandale, or you will run like AM, and when our oline grows up we'll be awesome. Look at how bad our receivers are...when you get here you will start. If you change the scheme to win a few games you push the problem down the road. All of the olineman were recruited for a pro-set offense that required little movement..basically a zone style or pass protection .Austin requires mobility, pulling, 2nd level blocking... we don't have it...except for maybe at center which is why they are so smitten with Jurgens.
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I see a lot of people advocating wholesale changes and then citing Wisky/Iowa. Regardless of schematics, that's paradoxical.
Barry Alvarez won fewer games than the coach he replaced at Wisconsin his first year and went 1-10, 5-6, and 5-6 his first three years.
Year 4: 10-1-1, Rose Bowl win
Kirk Ferentz won fewer games than the coach he replaced at Iowa his first year and went 1-10, 3-9, and 7-5 his first three years.
Year 4: 11-2, Orange Bowl loss
The only change to either staff during that time occurred in Wisconsin when OC Russ Jacques was replaced from within by running backs coach Brad Childress.
So, what do you guys want - do you want massive staff turnover or do you want to use the Wisconsin/Iowa models in terms of building a foundation?
Barry Alvarez won fewer games than the coach he replaced at Wisconsin his first year and went 1-10, 5-6, and 5-6 his first three years.
Year 4: 10-1-1, Rose Bowl win
Kirk Ferentz won fewer games than the coach he replaced at Iowa his first year and went 1-10, 3-9, and 7-5 his first three years.
Year 4: 11-2, Orange Bowl loss
The only change to either staff during that time occurred in Wisconsin when OC Russ Jacques was replaced from within by running backs coach Brad Childress.
So, what do you guys want - do you want massive staff turnover or do you want to use the Wisconsin/Iowa models in terms of building a foundation?
Personally I never once said that about his first late fill class. I knew there were reaches in there. Frost had to do it. He got a QB which was a huge deal. This past class looks like a good one. Physically they look like guys who can be good B1G players. We got some dudes for the O and D lines in this last class that we haven't landed in quite a while IMO. I'm really excited about Hutmacher in this next class. Please dear God don't let him pull a Riley Reiff and flip to Iowa.
Agree was optimistic when he said he was bring all the coaches from UCF. However I did question why he would do that. Rebuilding Nebraska is a huge undertaking. One that probably need coaches who have much more experience imo.
For the love of God people, please stop using Ferentz as a comparison to suggest Frost can have success here. We do not want to be Iowa or have a coach like Ferentz. Wisc I can understand at least.
Ferentz is a quality coach, he's just not a championship coach. Frost has a much higher ceiling, but the comparison is valid specifically because he rebuilt a program in this conference. Screw Iowa, but they're nobody's punching bag even if they take the loss and they used to be.
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You’re right on the money! Ferentz has won 156 games at chicken U. DONU has won 170 same time frame. We chase championships-they chase??
Clemson wasn’t one of those programs either until they got serious and went out and got great assistants.
And stop comparing everything to UCF. The Big Ten is an entirely different ball game. That UCF team had a **** schedule.
We're way down the list on coordinator salaries. If we really want to win, we need to go out and get some great assistants. I think we can have a shot at some elite defensive coordinators if we wanted to go that route. We'd probably have to pay 1.5 million, but we can try to poach Oregon or Wisconsin's DCs. Jeremy Pruitt or Jim Leavitt will probably be available as well. We should be able to get interest from at least 1 of these guys if we're willing to pay them. I don't see things getting much better with Chinander.
Every one of Clemson's assistants has been fired. Using prior experience as a measure of an assistant coach is very dangerous...the CLEAR fact about our oline is they were recruited for zone blocking and pass protection. Two specialties that do not require a huge amount of displacement from the line of scrimmage...their current system requires them to pull and block in the 2nd or even 3rd level. For example, the Robinson TD from NW was a result of Farniok pancaking a corner nearly 15 yards from the line of scrimmage. The read itself is used to get dlineman in the backfield and olineman downfield...they can't get to their assignments because they are too slow, and their pass blocking is in terrible situations like 3rd down and long because the lack of run game means we have no play action pass game. Should Frost use a pro-offense, with a zone blocking scheme, and simplified pass scheme for the wrs so they can be more successful?....HELL NO!!!! Take your lumps until you get the right pieces and can continue to recruit the right pieces. We have 7 olineman working in the wings right now, and even more on the way...this will all be water under the bridge by the time they are kicking ***.
The only reason to fire an assistant is if they can't recruit. Ever checked out Urban Meyer's assistant appraisal. It has almost nothing to do with coaching..and almost everything to do with recruiting. And the little bit with coaching is about player behavior not about how they play. As T.O said...it is Jimmies and Joes...not xs and os. Wandale Robinson showed up, slapped on the helmet and has 700 yards in 4 games...the other wrs can't pay someone to get on the field. Talent,Talent, Talent...so yes...fire all the coaches and bring in recruiters, otherwise keep continuity.
Completely disagree. It's not like we have a lot of great recruiters on this staff anyway.