On the neverending coaching rants

[Buckaineer]

Let's thank all present and former Mountaineer coaches for their contributions to the Mountaineer program.

That said, never before has WVU been in a tough conference like the BIG 12, or joined a situation like they did when they joined the BIG 12 facing all new opponents, longer travel to venues, and major venues all on par or at a higher level than WVU.

There's never been a four game stretch like the top four teams in the conference all in a row, three on the road as WVU faced this year.

Staring that in the face its clear Holgorsen did a very good job getting the team to bounce back from an extremely difficult October, beating a very good Texas Tech team and moving onto several straight wins, a bowl season and hopefully an 8 or 9 win year.

Too bad so many non fans waste every fans time trying to put that down and ruin the program instead of chearing for victories and supporting the program.

Seeing the pitiful turnout against Iowa State, its sad to know that Mountaineer nation has essentially died.

 

[LowFatMilk]

....starting another us vs. them thread... ....dedicated to further divide the WVU fan base.

Yep, you're the representative WV/WVU needs showing how a "real fan" should behave.

 

[WiiWii]

Let's thank all present and former Mountaineer coaches for their contributions to the Mountaineer program.

That said, never before has WVU been in a tough conference like the BIG 12, or joined a situation like they did when they joined the BIG 12 facing all new opponents, longer travel to venues, and major venues all on par or at a higher level than WVU.

There's never been a four game stretch like the top four teams in the conference all in a row, three on the road as WVU faced this year.

Staring that in the face its clear Holgorsen did a very good job getting the team to bounce back from an extremely difficult October, beating a very good Texas Tech team and moving onto several straight wins, a bowl season and hopefully an 8 or 9 win year.

Too bad so many non fans waste every fans time trying to put that down and ruin the program instead of chearing for victories and supporting the program.

Seeing the pitiful turnout against Iowa State, its sad to know that Mountaineer nation has essentially died.

I agree with everything you just said except the last. A little dramatic don't you think?

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

I wouldn't exactly say that Texas Tech is a very good team. They are 7-5 they have one of the best offenses in college football complimented by the worst defense in college ball they are somewhere around average. Outside of Oklahoma, Texas and Okie state I would say WVU has comparable facilities to the rest of the conference

 

[3xWVUenginEER]

....starting another us vs. them thread... ....dedicated to further devide the WVU fan base..

"devide"

Man that is funney.

 

[Buckaineer]

....starting another us vs. them thread... ....dedicated to further divide the WVU fan base.

Yep, you're the representative WV/WVU needs showing how a "real fan" should behave.

Being upset about your team winning? If you are you aren't a fan of WVU, you are a critic or worse.
Some of you think far too much of yourselves and your incessant whining while the question remains what have you done to make WVU better--and no, complaining and bashing no matter the results doesn't count as doing anything positive.

 

[Buckaineer]

I wouldn't exactly say that Texas Tech is a very good team. They are 7-5 they have one of the best offenses in college football complimented by the worst defense in college ball they are somewhere around average. Outside of Oklahoma, Texas and Okie state I would say WVU has comparable facilities to the rest of the conference

You wouldn't say Texas Tech is "a very good team" because you don't want WVU's wins to have any significance. Texas Tech good be 12-0 and people like you would try to diminish them somehow just to make Holgorsen seem worse than he actually is.

Winning that game against one of the top offenses in college football, against a team that isn't the worst defense by a longshot in the fashion WVU did was an accomplishment-especially coming off a narrow OT loss to an OSU team highly regarded all season and three other top ten or fifteen teams. To have multiple consecutive wins to pull out to a winning season and improving bowl slots and a chance to go 9-4 is very good--unless of course you aren't really rooting for the Mountaineers to succeed.

 

[Buckaineer]

I agree with everything you just said except the last. A little dramatic don't you think?

What's dramatic about it? People are on here acting as though this "fanbase" that does nothing but whine, criticize, and now ignore the program "deserve" something more.

Iowa State's fanbase has nothing to cheer about and they turn out in droves to support their program as do numerous others around the country, while WVU haters campaign for low turnout and lack of support and cheer for that while doing anything they can to diminish wins and successes.

Pitiful.

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

You wouldn't say Texas Tech is "a very good team" because you don't want WVU's wins to have any significance. Texas Tech good be 12-0 and people like you would try to diminish them somehow just to make Holgorsen seem worse than he actually is.

Winning that game against one of the top offenses in college football, against a team that isn't the worst defense by a longshot in the fashion WVU did was an accomplishment-especially coming off a narrow OT loss to an OSU team highly regarded all season and three other top ten or fifteen teams. To have multiple consecutive wins to pull out to a winning season and improving bowl slots and a chance to go 9-4 is very good--unless of course you aren't really rooting for the Mountaineers to succeed.

I apologize Texas Tech defense isn't the worst in college football its the 2nd worst as for Texas Tech being good and having chance to be 12-0 now that would be great accomplishment for a defense that is slightly better than Kansas which is dead last

http://espn.go.com/college-football/statistics/team/_/stat/total/position/defense

 

[BornAgainEer]

You wouldn't say Texas Tech is "a very good team" because you don't want WVU's wins to have any significance. Texas Tech good be 12-0 and people like you would try to diminish them somehow just to make Holgorsen seem worse than he actually is.

Winning that game against one of the top offenses in college football, against a team that isn't the worst defense by a longshot in the fashion WVU did was an accomplishment-especially coming off a narrow OT loss to an OSU team highly regarded all season and three other top ten or fifteen teams. To have multiple consecutive wins to pull out to a winning season and improving bowl slots and a chance to go 9-4 is very good--unless of course you aren't really rooting for the Mountaineers to succeed.

Texas Tech doesn't have a very good defense but they are ranked #37 by Sagarin. Texas Tech was a quality win for WVU.

However, that will do nothing to assuage the crybaby, it doesn't matter what you have done for me lately, fire Holgorsen 'fans'.

http://www.sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.html

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

Wins and losses are subjective. Every win is better than a loss but beating a 7-5 team with the 127th best defense in college football should be expected when playing at home regardless of how good their offense is. There are people who want to diminish every win but there are also those who want to over inflate wins that should have been expected

 

[Samuel S]

When we won the Big East in 1993, 4 of the 8 teams finished ranked and the 5th place team, Syracuse, tied Texas OOC and didn't lose a game to a non-ranked opponent.

In 1996, all 4 of our losses were to ranked teams

In 2001, although we were very bad, the BE had the national champion and 4 of 8 teams ranked. In 2002, we finished ranked in a league with three OTHER teams ranked 19 or above and Miami was a 2 OT loss from the national championship.

Before the Big East, we beat 3 ranked teams in 1984, went 3-2 against ranked teams in 1983.

We've played schedules this tough before. It wasn't every season as it might be now but we did (I only showed seasons with 4 + ranked opponents, we played 3 most seasons from the Nehlen era forward and it was 3 out of 11 not 12 for much of the time. Our 12th games, with few exceptions, have been patsies.

Did we ever consistently finish with great years against tough schedules? No, but we played schedules comparable to what we play now fairly frequently until the BE imploded.

After the BE got "easy" people got very upset when we underachieved in 2004, but then we went on a nice run. Does anyone think this team could win more than 2 or 3 out of 10 against the teams we fielded from 2005-07? Does anyone think it could finish .500 against the teams from 2008-11?

When Nehlen had down seasons, people were unhappy. When Rodriguez had down seasons people were unhappy. When Stewart failed to get the team back to where it had been in 2005-07 during his three seasons, people were unhappy.

Now, after 5 seasons, when we are not even as good as that and people are unhappy, Dana's fanboys whine incessantly that the standards are just too hard for poor, pitiful WVU.

I'm glad we didn't lose to Maryland, Kansas or ISU this year. I'm happy we beat the worst Texas team in memory and porous TTU at home, but to say those wins signify a "good" season by WVU standards is simply false. No other coach in our recent history would get a pass for a year like this unless it was a down year preceded by (and then followed by) something better. Then or now, not ever being able to surmount mediocrity is not good enough at WVU. you don't always have to be better, but you do most of the time or you are going to deservedly hear it, and should be very thankful you have a job.

 

[GetYaNumbersUp]

Does anyone think it could finish .500 against the teams from 2008-11?

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I think this team is better than any team Stewart and Mullen ever fielded.

 

[Samuel S]

Not. Even. Close.

Those are Dana glasses, not Blue and Gold ones, if you truly believe that.

 

[WiiWii]

Not. Even. Close.

Those are Dana glasses, not Blue and Gold ones, if you truly believe that.

you actually believe this? None of Stewarts teams would win 3 games in this conference. Good lord you guys are delusional about Stew's teams.

 

[WiiWii]

[QUOTE="Buckaineer, post: 546683, member: 844"]What's dramatic about it? People are on here acting as though this "fanbase" that does nothing but whine, criticize, and now ignore the program "deserve" something more.

Iowa State's fanbase has nothing to cheer about and they turn out in droves to support their program as do numerous others around the country, while WVU haters campaign for low turnout and lack of support and cheer for that while doing anything they can to diminish wins and successes.

Pitiful.[/QUOTE]

"...Mountaineer nation has essentially died"

Asked and answered...

 

[Samuel S]

Eh, they turn out about like we do. Granted they aren't as good so it may be more impressive but, this year at home:

61,500
61,500
55,837
52,480
53,616
54,180

It's pure speculation to guess how many might have turned out in Ames on Saturday.

I'd also be interested to hear what teams in such small population regions consistently outdraw WVU through thick and thin.

Even Ames, Iowa is both significantly larger than Morgantown and much closer to the largest in-state city. (30 miles from Des Moines which as a 600,000 metro area population)

 

[Jason Voorhees]

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