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Rootmaster

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are frustrated with the production from the current football HC.

Since joining the Big 12-2=10, WVU has averaged only 3.75 league wins per year and has won at least five Big 12 games only one time in four seasons.

Winning would change a lot of opinions.
 
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WVU in the Big 12


4-5 in 2015 (3-way tie for 5th)


5-4 in 2014 (3-way tie for 4th)


2-7 in 2013 (3-way tie for 7th) Only Kansas had worse record


4-5 in 2012 (4-way tie for 5th) Only Iowa State & Kansas were worse. And WVU had in Geno, Tavon and Stedman the best offense trio in its history.


So, WVU was 3, 1, 4 and 3 from the bottom in 4 seasons. And never better than behind 3 teams atop the standings.


How in the hell can anyone excuse that just because WVU is in the Big 12?

We're not Kansas, but we're a LONG way from being Oklahoma.
 
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Cuyahoga Falls Eers said:
WVU in the Big 12


4-5 in 2015 (3-way tie for 5th)


5-4 in 2014 (3-way tie for 4th)


2-7 in 2013 (3-way tie for 7th) Only Kansas had worse record


4-5 in 2012 (4-way tie for 5th) Only Iowa State & Kansas were worse. And WVU had in Geno, Tavon and Stedman the best offense trio in its history.


So, WVU was 3, 1, 4 and 3 from the bottom in 4 seasons. And never better than behind 3 teams atop the standings.


How in the hell can anyone excuse that just because WVU is in the Big 12?

We're not Kansas, but we're a LONG way from being Oklahoma.
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Those seasons were only progress exams in the grand scheme of being a power 5 head coach. It appears to me the SAT/ACT exams for Coach Holgorsen are coming up this fall as far as A D Lyons and President Gee are concerned. I have my lingering doubts from the KSU game, but here's hoping he aces this 13? part test and finally blossoms as a head coach and game manager.
 
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Cuyahoga Falls Eers said:
WVU in the Big 12


4-5 in 2015 (3-way tie for 5th)


5-4 in 2014 (3-way tie for 4th)


2-7 in 2013 (3-way tie for 7th) Only Kansas had worse record


4-5 in 2012 (4-way tie for 5th) Only Iowa State & Kansas were worse. And WVU had in Geno, Tavon and Stedman the best offense trio in its history.


So, WVU was 3, 1, 4 and 3 from the bottom in 4 seasons. And never better than behind 3 teams atop the standings.


How in the hell can anyone excuse that just because WVU is in the Big 12?

We're not Kansas, but we're a LONG way from being Oklahoma.
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Because most people with common sense understand there is a great divide in the level of competition between the likes of Rutgers, UConn, Syracuse, USF, and Cincy, etc. vs the likes of Texas, Oklahoma, Baylor, Ok State, and Kansas St. Common sense tells you there will be an adjustment curve. As David Ubben, a Big 12 expert said in 2012, "it will be at least 7 years before WVU will win a conference championship, with no disrespect to WVU."

You expect the same results for the 4 hardest schedules in school history in a row vs. 4 years of schedules ranked in the 60s and 70s.
 
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So much negativity........ We were spoiled by being the big fish in the old Big East where the level of competition was far below the level of competition in the Big 12. I have no doubt that the WVU teams since belonging to the Big 12 have been the most talented and the most athletic teams we've ever had. Why doesn't that translate to 10 and 11 win seasons? Because we are now in a league of teams that are also filled with talented players. In the Big East days the only time we played against true P5 type programs was in a bowl game. Now we play bowl level competition nearly every week. Big difference. If it was easy to win in the Big 12 Marshall would be wanting in. In my opinion the only thing Holgerson has never had since becoming our HC is an elite quarterback. That will change when Will Grier becomes eligible.
 
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I don't agree that recent teams were more talented than some of the Big East teams. Come on now. Pat White, Slaton etc proved on the field that they could play...and defeat...the best from the Big 12 and SEC. They would have been playing for a Big 12-2=10 title. Time to get off the "but the competition is so much harder now" excuse and move on. When WVU gets better players and better coaching, then the Mountaineers will climb the mountain. Excuses are for losers. BTW: I guess TCU didn't get the memo about not being a factor for seven years or so. LOL
 
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BobbyBoucheer said:
Listen, we understand.

Your obsession with typing this every single time is weird. Its so strange that it renders anything you have to say in your post irrelevant.
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I actually don't understand.

It's an attempt to make a simplistic point...that's way off target. Dumb really....
 
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Just trying to help those math challenged folks...the Big 12 has ten teams. Count them. Can't use Big 10...that's already trademarked...so...until the conference gets back to an even dozen...
 
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Rootmaster said:
Just trying to help those math challenged folks...the Big 12 has ten teams. Count them. Can't use Big 10...that's already trademarked...so...until the conference gets back to an even dozen...
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Umm.k. Impressive.

Wow.

Great point.
 
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Rootmaster said:
Just trying to help those math challenged folks...the Big 12 has ten teams. Count them. Can't use Big 10...that's already trademarked...so...until the conference gets back to an even dozen...
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Who is actually math challenged? Everyone knows how many schools are in the conference. Regardless of how many teams in the conference it's the NAME, Big 12 that it is called. It's the name of the conference.

Just like the Big Ten all those years with 11 teams. Did anyone honestly expect them to change the name of a legendary conference that had become an icon in college football? That would have been suicidal to their marketing efforts.

Should Coca-Cola change their name because there isn't cocaine in it anymore?

Not jumping on you but seriously, he's right, every time you type that it does take away from what you're trying to say because that notation "Big12-2=10" comes off more important to you than what you're actually saying.
 
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I just think we should let the situation play out. I know this will be a critical year for coach Dana and the program but I also see it as a great opportunity for us to find out whether or not the program is moving in the right direction under the current coaching staff. I think the majority of the teams outside of Oklahoma have serious question marks coming into the season so if Coach D is the man we hoped for when he was hired he will have the opportunity to prove it this season. I hope things work out in his favor but if it doesn't I just hope the next man will be the man to win us a national championship. I know there are those who think winning a NC in football is a pipe dream and that may be so but having hopes and dreams in life is better than having despair
 
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michaelwalkerbr said:
Yes, I have. Extremely accurate, best arm of the bunch. He is evasive against a rush, but probably couldn't outrun me.
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We will see what happens when he sees game action.

I expect Greer to be our QB next season - which would make it 5 straight years that we were being lead by a transfer QB. That is not necessaraly a bad thing but are we always going to be able to get a quality transfer. And it says something about our ability to recruit a quality QB out of high school.
 
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Rootmaster said:
I don't agree that recent teams were more talented than some of the Big East teams. Come on now. Pat White, Slaton etc proved on the field that they could play...and defeat...the best from the Big 12 and SEC. They would have been playing for a Big 12-2=10 title. Time to get off the "but the competition is so much harder now" excuse and move on. When WVU gets better players and better coaching, then the Mountaineers will climb the mountain. Excuses are for losers. BTW: I guess TCU didn't get the memo about not being a factor for seven years or so. LOL
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Big difference between Fort Worth and Morgantown. And even though we beat Oklahoma with White and Slaton, they wouldn't be able to year after year.
 
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I give Coach Holgorsen credit. He accepted a job as a AAC level head coach and had the best season for a first year head coach in WVUs history. He was then asked to build the program into a P5 caliber program from a G5 caliber program. I for one think he has done an excellent job at this, the BIG wins, the NFL players he is producing, the exposure for WVU he has created. I also give him credit for the "bad" questionable coaching decisions, clock management issues, bad losses. I think the fact he has only been a head coach for 5 years deserves recognition. With all that said this is definitely a make or break season for him. If the program reaches the 9 win mark or more I say you keep him. If the program struggles to make a bowl then its time for a change. The real question will be what to do with him if WVU has a average season again 7-8 wins. I think with Grier now in the picture you should see what kind of success WVU can have with a elite QB running Holgorsen's system. But regardless if WVU does make a change I for one hope we don't try and reinvent the wheel with a new system and staff. Bring in someone who is successful at running a air raid type of offense and for the love of God do whatever it takes to keep Coach Gibson! I'm waiting to see how this season goes before choosing a side. I think the obvious thing here is 2016 is a HUGE year for WVU football, concerning what direction the program is headed. This is the same time frame as when Rich Rodriguez started having much better success. 5-6 is a valid time table for a rookie head coach to show what he has. IMO
 
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VaultHunter said:
I give Coach Holgorsen credit. He accepted a job as a AAC level head coach and had the best season for a first year head coach in WVUs history. He was then asked to build the program into a P5 caliber program from a G5 caliber program. I for one think he has done an excellent job at this, the BIG wins, the NFL players he is producing, the exposure for WVU he has created. I also give him credit for the "bad" questionable coaching decisions, clock management issues, bad losses. I think the fact he has only been a head coach for 5 years deserves recognition. With all that said this is definitely a make or break season for him. If the program reaches the 9 win mark or more I say you keep him. If the program struggles to make a bowl then its time for a change. The real question will be what to do with him if WVU has a average season again 7-8 wins. I think with Grier now in the picture you should see what kind of success WVU can have with a elite QB running Holgorsen's system. But regardless if WVU does make a change I for one hope we don't try and reinvent the wheel with a new system and staff. Bring in someone who is successful at running a air raid type of offense and for the love of God do whatever it takes to keep Coach Gibson! I'm waiting to see how this season goes before choosing a side. I think the obvious thing here is 2016 is a HUGE year for WVU football, concerning what direction the program is headed. This is the same time frame as when Rich Rodriguez started having much better success. 5-6 is a valid time table for a rookie head coach to show what he has. IMO
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You've been stealing my thoughts again!
 
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TexasforevEER said:
Could Chad Johnston (ex-WV QB) outrun you? Probably not. But, he put up the numbers for WV and started quite a few games............with great success.
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I know, my son-in-law caught a TD pass from him against Pitt! No, he couldn't outrun me. I would love to see what Chugs could do in a game. His arm is a rifle, apparently with a scope!
 
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Rootmaster said:
OMG. Here we go again. DH had the best first season of any WVU coach....with a team he didn't recruit!!!
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As with all first season coaches, right? He had the best season of any FIRST year coach. In itself, that speaks volumes for the team he inherited, does it not?
 
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old buzzard said:
So much negativity........ We were spoiled by being the big fish in the old Big East where the level of competition was far below the level of competition in the Big 12. I have no doubt that the WVU teams since belonging to the Big 12 have been the most talented and the most athletic teams we've ever had. Why doesn't that translate to 10 and 11 win seasons? Because we are now in a league of teams that are also filled with talented players. In the Big East days the only time we played against true P5 type programs was in a bowl game. Now we play bowl level competition nearly every week. Big difference. If it was easy to win in the Big 12 Marshall would be wanting in. In my opinion the only thing Holgerson has never had since becoming our HC is an elite quarterback. That will change when Will Grier becomes eligible.
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We really see that elite Big 12 talent on display when the conference is getting smoked in Bowl games every year
 
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DH inherited a team that was loaded. Most first year coaches don't take over for a guy (actually DH was anointed by a pass-through AD) who was winning 9 games a year and still wasn't considered "cool" enough by a large part of the fan base. Can't compare a first year coach in that position to the normal first year coach taking over for a team that had several losing seasons in a row! In fact, DH was not supposed to be the HC that year.
 
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jpf578 said:
Big difference between Fort Worth and Morgantown. And even though we beat Oklahoma with White and Slaton, they wouldn't be able to year after year.
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Big difference between the Mountain West and Big East, too.

We don't know what the White/Slaton-era teams would've done in annual games against Oklahoma. All we do know is that 1) Their roster beat the Sooners handily on a night when Slaton left the game with an injury and made minimal contributions, and 2) No subsequent rosters have been able to beat Oklahoma since.
 
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Big difference between the Mountain West and Big East, too.

We don't know what the White/Slaton-era teams would've done in annual games against Oklahoma. All we do know is that 1) Their roster beat the Sooners handily on a night when Slaton left the game with an injury and made minimal contributions, and 2) No subsequent rosters have been able to beat Oklahoma since.
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No college team in America could have beaten WVU that night. Not that night. Oklahoma had no chance of winning any more than Clemson did in 2011.
 
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GoWVU said:
Big difference between the Mountain West and Big East, too.

We don't know what the White/Slaton-era teams would've done in annual games against Oklahoma. All we do know is that 1) Their roster beat the Sooners handily on a night when Slaton left the game with an injury and made minimal contributions, and 2) No subsequent rosters have been able to beat Oklahoma since.
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They also seem to forget that Don N 1982 squad smacked Oklahoma on their own field and we beat tcu handily in the bowl game in 1984. We only lost to Oklahoma state by 2 points in the bowl game back in the day and they where a 9-2 team we where a 6-5 squad.
 
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michaelwalkerbr said:
No college team in America could have beaten WVU that night. Not that night. Oklahoma had no chance of winning any more than Clemson did in 2011.
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Oklahoma would have had a hard team beating WVU on any night in 2007. We showed what lean and mean does to fat and slow but Colorado showed that earlier in 2007
 
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