One Seeds all Set now?

[UKWildcats#8]

Thoughts?

1. Midwest: UK
2. East: Nova.
3. South: Duke or UVA.
4. West: Wisconsin

I can see 3 and 4 switched...if they make one ACC team 4th and the other 5th...that makes it look better for the committee. I know we have the Arizona lovers' coalition on this board, but with Nova winning tonight I think things are all but decided as the Wisconsin game won't get over until almost the time of the selection show tomorrow. Plus, Wisconsin got a huge break with MSU winning today so I think Wisconsin rolls them.

And to throw in my FINAL two seed predictions as well.

5. East: UVA.
6. West: Arizona.
7. South: Gonzaga.
8. Midwest: Kansas

Notes on geography for 2 seeds: I believe the committee will send UVA to the east for three reasons: 1. Syracuse is only like 49 miles further than Cleveland from UVA's campus. 2. With one of the ACC teams dropping to a 2 seed, geographically the 2 seed slots for Cleveland (Midwest) and Syracuse (East) now have two traditional teams in KU and UVA vying for them. I just feel instead of sending the midwest team in KU 300+ miles east to Syracuse of where they could send them (Cleveland), the committee will go with the "punishing" UVA with 50 miles more to even things out for both parties. 3. To the previous point, UVA loses 49-50 miles but is rewarded by not being put in the #1 overall 1 seeds bracket as their consolation prize for being dropped to a 2 seed. (Note: If the committee keeps UVA as a 1 and moves Duke down, same things apply roughly).

Another note on geography is that Gonzaga as the 3rd 2 seed would have Houston and Cleveland left to be sent to assuming UVA to Syracuse and Arizona to the west ( a given). Spokane is 2122 miles from Houston and 2272 miles from Cleveland....both at 31 hours driving time. Thus, do not be shocked if the committee gives UK Gonzaga as its two for the Wiltjer factor possibility in the Elite 8. The committee will most likely give UK ND as its 3 seed to secure a "win-win" in the Elite 8 as it is very unlikely it is not either ND or Gonzaga that comes out of the bottom half of UK's bracket.

I digress, should be fun. I feel like we are setting ourselves up with everyone acting like the committee won't screw UK over though. Remember, by the rule of mileage, UK should get Duke or UVA if either is a 2.

 

[CatPhight_rivals65113]

Don't see how Kansas is still a 2 seed with 8 losses, 3 to unranked teams.

 

[KA4Prez_rivals78700]

Notre Dame a #2 over Kansas if they win tonight?

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Originally posted by CatPhight:
Don't see how Kansas is still a 2 seed with 8 losses, 3 to unranked teams.

I guess ISU or maybe ND if they win tonight could overtake them, but I just don't see it due to their high computer numbers, quality wins vs. top 50, etc.

I personally do not think they should be a 2 seed if Alexander is out as they are lacking down low now, but I just can't move them down. Most every guy that matters that does the brackets still has them as a 2 (hell does anyone not?) so that is why I left them there.

 

[KA4Prez_rivals78700]

Top 50 wins...Kansas 13...Notre Dame 8 (if they beat UNC)...Iowa State 13.

Outside Top 50 losses...Kansas 2...Notre Dame 2...Iowa State 3.

 

[CatPhight_rivals65113]

Maryland choked away the opportunity today and Notre Dame could be in the process of doing the same thing.

Reality is there isn't a whole lot of difference between a 2 & 3 since they're both in the bottom of the bracket.

Kansas may have an advantage in RPI/SOS, but the only other team with as many losses in the top 10 of the RPI beat them twice this year.

Apart from that, you know they are going to pull the annual choke job.








This post was edited on 3/14 10:16 PM by CatPhight

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Originally posted by KA4Prez:
Top 50 wins...Kansas 13...Notre Dame 8 (if they beat UNC)...Iowa State 13.

Outside Top 50 losses...Kansas 2...Notre Dame 2...Iowa State 3.

With the numbers you provided it just shows they can do whatever they want. Based on those ISU should get the last 2 seed and be in UK's bracket...then I still ND would be the 3.

The good news/bad news is we will know real quick if UK is getting screwed as our bracket should be unveiled first...and if we see a certain team name in the 2 seed position that we don't like I expect a massive meltdown on here.

 

[CatPhight_rivals65113]

Originally posted by KA4Prez:
Notre Dame a #2 over Kansas if they win tonight?

And just like that, the Irish tearing the tarholes a new one. 24-2 run

 

[The_Answer1313_rivals]

The problem with just looking at WINS in the Top 50 is that teams from stronger conferences like the Big 12 have more opportunities to pick up Top 50 wins.

I still do think KU is a 2 seed tho. Yeah 8 losses but 7 have come from Top 50 competition

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Originally posted by CatPhight:

Originally posted by KA4Prez:
Notre Dame a #2 over Kansas if they win tonight?

And just like that, the Irish tearing the tarholes a new one. 24-2 run

Great win for ND, but due to their pathetic OOC schedule I doubt they get the nod over KU or even ISU if they are in the convo.

And didn't the chair say they pretty much had 8 teams in mind for the 1's and 2's today and it was somewhat set in stone, just not sure of the order? (yeah right on the last part...they know by now).

According to the "use it when we want" S-curve, ND being the 3 seed in the Midwest would be almost like being the 2 seed if you assume Kansas (Or Gonzaga) is the lowest 2 seed and ND is the highest/best 3 seed. I know some do not like ND as our 3 due to how close Cleveland is to South Bend, but geographically AND s-curve/balance like it makes sense.

 

[Xception]

I think the for sure 1's should be

Kentucky
Wisconsin
Nova

I think Duke should get the last one seed but it wouldn't shock me if Virginia or Arizona got it for region balance issues , you can't use logic because the committee doesn't .

 

[The_Answer1313_rivals]

This is what I think (for now)

East:
1. Villanova
2. Virginia
3. Notre Dame
4. Oklahoma

South
1. Duke
2. Kansas
3. Maryland
4. Northern Iowa

Midwest
1. UK
2. Gonzaga
3. Iowa St.
4. North Carolina

West
1. Wisconsin
2. Arizona
3. Baylor
4. Louisville

 

[jockstrap_mcgee]

I think we'll end up with Gonzaga.

For two reasons. One, all the talk about Wisconsin is coming from media who are not involved with the actual decision. They can prognosticate all they want and theorize about how the committee will follow the guidelines they set out to follow, but when it comes down to it, they aren't in that room and know as much as the rest of us.

Second. TV ratings have to play a big role in seedings, and while I'm sure an Elite Eight match up with Kentucky is going to get really high ratings, can you imagine what they will be like if Kentucky makes it to the Final Four and on to Monday night?

Astronomic, is the word that comes to mind. And I don't think the NCAA will put one of the teams with the best chance to beat us in our region to potentially wreck that. If we see Wisconsin, it will be in the Final Four.

 

[EmCats3]

^^ If Duke makes it past the first weekend they'd demolish those other 3.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Originally posted by The_Answer1313:
This is what I think (for now)

East:
1. Villanova
2. Virginia
3. Notre Dame
4. Oklahoma

South
1. Duke
2. Kansas
3. Maryland
4. Northern Iowa

Midwest
1. UK
2. Gonzaga
3. Iowa St.
4. North Carolina

West
1. Wisconsin
2. Arizona
3. Baylor
4. Louisville

ND cannot be the 3 with UVA being the 2 in the east...maybe switch around your 3 seeds, otherwise...couldl be close to how it turns out.

 

[deplion_rivals116063]

If Zona wins tonight and Wisconsin loses tomorrow, I could see them getting the #1 seed out West.

They may not want to re-do all of the regions at that point but they could easily flip Wisconsin and Arizona as the #1 / #2 out West with almost no difficulty.

 

[brewtuscat]

I could also see this when they play the geography game and noting there is not much separating UVA and Duke.

East
1 Nova
2 UVA

Midwest
1 Wisconsin
2.ISU

South
1 UK
2. Duke

West
1 Arizona
2 Gonzaga

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Originally posted by deplion:
If Zona wins tonight and Wisconsin loses tomorrow, I could see them getting the #1 seed out West.

They may not want to re-do all of the regions at that point but they could easily flip Wisconsin and Arizona as the #1 / #2 out West with almost no difficulty.

That seems like a pointless task to me. There is really no difference in being a 1 or 2 out there. Sorry Dep, I just get scared when people throw out Arizona as a 1 seed out west (which they do not deserve anyways) as I fear the fraud Gonzaga would somehow get sent there as a 2 seed and Wisconsin back to our 2 seed.

Plus, the Big Ten title game gets over so close to the selection show...I doubt they will make any changes. The committee can ignore the Rutgers loss since Kaminsky did not play so I think Wisconsin is solidly in as a 1.

 

[The_Answer1313_rivals]

Originally posted by UKWildcats#8:

Originally posted by The_Answer1313:
This is what I think (for now)

East:
1. Villanova
2. Virginia
3. Notre Dame
4. Oklahoma

South
1. Duke
2. Kansas
3. Maryland
4. Northern Iowa

Midwest
1. UK
2. Gonzaga
3. Iowa St.
4. North Carolina

West
1. Wisconsin
2. Arizona
3. Baylor
4. Louisville

ND cannot be the 3 with UVA being the 2 in the east...maybe switch around your 3 seeds, otherwise...couldl be close to how it turns out.

Good catch......although all the B12 and ACC teams are affecting things as far as moving them around lol

 

[CatPhight_rivals65113]

Originally posted by deplion:
If Zona wins tonight and Wisconsin loses tomorrow, I could see them getting the #1 seed out West.

They may not want to re-do all of the regions at that point but they could easily flip Wisconsin and Arizona as the #1 / #2 out West with almost no difficulty.

With the geographical region mess could be, but AZ three losses are all bad IMO.

 

[BoulderCat_rivals187983]

Right there with you except they could put ND in the KU position. I totally agree UVA or Duke as the 2 in the East makes sense, but will they? After watching that foul fest, whistle blowing affair earlier I'm feeling a bit paranoid about agenda's.

 

[deplion_rivals116063]

Originally posted by UKWildcats#8:

Originally posted by deplion:
If Zona wins tonight and Wisconsin loses tomorrow, I could see them getting the #1 seed out West.

They may not want to re-do all of the regions at that point but they could easily flip Wisconsin and Arizona as the #1 / #2 out West with almost no difficulty.

That seems like a pointless task to me. There is really no difference in being a 1 or 2 out there. Sorry Dep, I just get scared when people throw out Arizona as a 1 seed out west (which they do not deserve anyways) as I fear the fraud Gonzaga would somehow get sent there as a 2 seed and Wisconsin back to our 2 seed.

Plus, the Big Ten title game gets over so close to the selection show...I doubt they will make any changes. The committee can ignore the Rutgers loss since Kaminsky did not play so I think Wisconsin is solidly in as a 1.

I don't actually think that will happen, but if we want to be sure Wisconsin is not our 2 seed, we really need them to win tomorrow to remove any possible doubt.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Originally posted by deplion:

Originally posted by UKWildcats#8:

Originally posted by deplion:
If Zona wins tonight and Wisconsin loses tomorrow, I could see them getting the #1 seed out West.

They may not want to re-do all of the regions at that point but they could easily flip Wisconsin and Arizona as the #1 / #2 out West with almost no difficulty.

That seems like a pointless task to me. There is really no difference in being a 1 or 2 out there. Sorry Dep, I just get scared when people throw out Arizona as a 1 seed out west (which they do not deserve anyways) as I fear the fraud Gonzaga would somehow get sent there as a 2 seed and Wisconsin back to our 2 seed.

Plus, the Big Ten title game gets over so close to the selection show...I doubt they will make any changes. The committee can ignore the Rutgers loss since Kaminsky did not play so I think Wisconsin is solidly in as a 1.

I don't actually think that will happen, but if we want to be sure Wisconsin is not our 2 seed, we really need them to win tomorrow to remove any possible doubt.

They SHOULD...as MSU is not that good this year, but as usual Izzo has them playing somewhat solid heading into the tourney. That said, Wisconsin wins it...MSU wanted to beat OSU to stay out of the 8/9 game and they did (but the OSU loss CLINCHES Russell and OSU coming to Louisville for his homecoming with a potential showdown against UK IMO), so they are probably going to fade late in the 2nd half tomorrow and Wisconsin will pull away like they did today.

I posted this in another thread on the topic, but maybe our bracket is something like this. 1. UK (duh lol). 2. Gonzaga OR KU 3. ND regardless. 4. Oklahoma type team 5. Witchita State, 8. OSU and 9. Either NC State or OK State. There will be no Temple vs. Dayton type 8/9 for UK...that goes to Duke I bet.

 

[dnabbott25]

Kansas lost 9 games (regular season) last year and got a 2
Michigan same thing. literally 2 of the 2 seeds had 9 losses and got a 2 last year.

AND

OP, Virginia is a 2 seed, Wisconsin took their 1 seed

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Originally posted by Tyblue22:
Kansas lost 9 games (regular season) last year and got a 2
Michigan same thing. literally 2 of the 2 seeds had 9 losses and got a 2 last year.

AND

OP, Virginia is a 2 seed, Wisconsin took their 1 seed

I agree, but since we really have no real way of knowing if UVA or Duke got dropped to the 2 line until the Selection Show that is why I put Duke or UVA in the South. One of them will be the 1 there...I guess. I've never been more invested into the selection process before, and man this stuff is confusing. It would be so much simpler to just seed the teams 1-68, reward the 1's based on geography, and then put everyone else wherever their s-curve lands them. You could still have the pod system for the first two rounds...beyond that, who cares!

 

[dnabbott25]

I'm with you on that. I would like to see them really reward the 1 seeds by letting the them choose their region. Example, let the top 1 seed pick first, then the second 1, then the 3rd. Or, let them have a choice of either picking their region, OR pick their 2 seed.

Crazy right? lol ....at least rank them, and go with a true s curve through the top 4 seeds

 

[HenryMuto]

This is a pretty cool site but I don't think they will do too well on seeding.

http://www.seed-madness.com/

 

[wildcat1515]

Duke has 4 losses, and there are 5 teams ahead of them with only 2 or 3. Do they deserve a 1 seed.

 

[The_Answer1313_rivals]

Originally posted by 2Dope15:
Duke has 4 losses, and there are 5 teams ahead of them with only 2 or 3. Do they deserve a 1 seed.

Duke is also 11-3 against the RPI top 50.

Duke has wins AT Wisconsin, AT Virginia, AT North Carolina and AT Louisville.

There's no reason why Duke should not be a 1 seed.

 

[Aike]

Midwest
1. Kentucky
2. Kansas
3. Notre Dame
4. Northern Iowa


South
1. Wisconsin
2. Gonzaga
3. Iowa St.
4. North Carolina


East
1. Villanova
2. Duke
3. Maryland
4. Oklahoma


West
1. Virginia
2. Arizona
3. Baylor
4. Wichita St.

 

[HenryMuto]

Jerry Palm has Iowa State as our #2 seed.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Originally posted by HenryMuto:
Jerry Palm has Iowa State as our #2 seed.

Is ND the 3 still? I see no way they aren't in reality.

And I find it hard to believe the committee actually drops KU to a 3 in favor of ISU at the 2 spot.

 

[The_Answer1313_rivals]

I can't see ISU a 2 seed over KU

I think this falls into the whole "people putting too much into a few conference tournament games"

 

[The_Answer1313_rivals]

Midwest
1 UK
2. Gonzaga
3. Iowa St.
4. North Carolina

West
1. Wisconsin
2. Arizona
3. Notre Dame
4. Oklahoma

South
1. Duke
2. Kansas
3. Maryland
4. Northern Iowa

East
1. Villanova
2. Virginia
3. Baylor
4. Louisville (the 5th ACC Team on the first four lines).

I do find the first four teams on the four four line must go to different regions to be a little weird tho.


So say in a situation you have Duke and UNC as 4 seeds and say UNC is the 4th from the ACC and Duke is the 5th from the ACC. Say the other teams took up the Midwest, East and South regions. So UNC as the fourth would be forced out West and Duke would still have their pick of regions even tho they were behind UNC on the seed line??

That doesn't seem so fair lol. Probably doesn't happen to often tho with teams lol

 

[bucsrule8872]

If UW wins tomorrow they should be the second or third overall seed and Duke or UVA are shipped West.

Right now it looks like Nova gets the East as the second overall seed. That puts UW in the South. The committee could flip flop them and let UW play a little closer to home in Syracuse. Doesn't matter, I just want UW on the opposite side of the field.

Duke or UVA stay in the East. Zona stays in the West. The Zags go to Houston. KU, ISU, or ND in Cleveland, giving UK the bottom 2 seed.

My prediction right now:

Midwest- UK/KU
East- Nova/UVA
South- UW/Zaga
West- Duke/Zona

 

[JerseyCat84_rivals57050]

Originally posted by bucsrule8872:
If UW wins tomorrow they should be the second or third overall seed and Duke or UVA are shipped West.

Right now it looks like Nova gets the East as the second overall seed. That puts UW in the South. The committee could flip flop them and let UW play a little closer to home in Syracuse. Doesn't matter, I just want UW on the opposite side of the field.

Duke or UVA stay in the East. Zona stays in the West. The Zags go to Houston. KU, ISU, or ND in Cleveland, giving UK the bottom 2 seed.

My prediction right now:

Midwest- UK/KU
East- Nova/UVA
South- UW/Zaga
West- Duke/Zona

No chance the committee sends Duke out west.

 

[bucsrule8872]

^They have in the past.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Originally posted by bucsrule8872:
^They have in the past.

Pretty sure they did as recently as 2011 and Duke lost to Arizona who then lost to evil UCONN.

 

[The_Answer1313_rivals]

Duke won't be out West

Nothing to do with where the committee wants them.....just they aren't the weakest 1

 

[jedwar]

East
1. Villanova
2. Virginia

South
1. Duke
2. Kansas

Midwest
1. Kentucky
2. Gonzaga

West
1. Wisconsin
2. Arizona
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