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“First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way. This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.”

‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2‬:‭1‬-‭6‬ ‭ESV‬‬

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“This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

‭‭Acts‬ ‭4‬:‭11‬-‭12‬ ‭ESV‬‬
 
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“This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

‭‭Acts‬ ‭4‬:‭11‬-‭12‬ ‭ESV‬‬
I get the sentiment but not a huge fan of that thinking as I believe plenty of religions are derived from the same ultimate source and provide different avenues to get to heaven/lead a good life.

I don’t think it’s fair to say that no one else can be saved because they grew up in Persia or Mongolia and Christianity isn’t the predominant or even common religion.
 

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I get the sentiment but not a huge fan of that thinking as I believe plenty of religions are derived from the same ultimate source and provide different avenues to get to heaven/lead a good life.

I don’t think it’s fair to say that no one else can be saved because they grew up in Persia or Mongolia and Christianity isn’t the predominant or even common religion.
I don’t know about what is fair and what is not fair when it comes to the glorification of God and salvation. We all fall short. I suspect leading a good life is not the way, as that could mean any number of things.

Here is what I know, I won’t be the judge. Jesus will judge. He will not be mistaken. There will be no doubt or lawyering. He has said that He is the way. How He judges people who reject these words will be perfect and just, and won’t be questioned.

I just know that He provided a clear path through faith in Him. If He declares that looks different for people of different faiths, He will say. He won’t be wrong.

Also, the Bible is clear that we will be judged on the information we had in life.
 
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I don’t think it’s fair to say that no one else can be saved because they grew up in Persia or Mongolia and Christianity isn’t the predominant or even common religion.
God determines what is fair: no one else.

Harsh truth... but then the Bible is full of harsh truths lol.
 
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Okay I don’t believe that’s how it works then, that better? lol

No way good is like wait you choose one of the other 35773 religions I allowed to be created? Wrong choice, enjoy hell stupid.
 

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I don’t know about what is fair and what is not fair when it comes to the glorification of God and salvation. We all fall short. I suspect leading a good life is not the way, as that could mean any number of things.

Here is what I know, I won’t be the judge. Jesus will judge. He will not be mistaken. There will be no doubt or lawyering. He has said that He is the way. How He judges people who reject these words will be perfect and just, and won’t be questioned.

I just know that He provided a clear path through faith in Him. If He declares that looks different for people of different faiths, He will say. He won’t be wrong.

Also, the Bible is clear that we will be judged on the information we had in life.
I don’t think Jesus us the judge either, he was the example and a path, I think whatever god is, is the judge.
 

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Okay I don’t believe that’s how it works then, that better? lol

No way good is like wait you choose one of the other 35773 religions I allowed to be created? Wrong choice, enjoy hell stupid.
Please start another thread for this debate. It has been waged many other places and really is not what this thread is intended to be.
 

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I don’t think Jesus us the judge either, he was the example and a path, I think whatever god is, is the judge.
Look, you don’t believe what is said in the New Testament. I get it. Start another thread and I would love to learn from where you source your beliefs.
 

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Look, you don’t believe what is said in the New Testament. I get it. Start another thread and I would love to learn from where you source your beliefs.
I don’t strictly follow any version. I take good parts from different places. I’m Christian but I don’t think any one version is 100% the end all be all. I think they are all trying to do the same thing and show us a path to being the best person you can be and to help your brothers and sisters all over the world.
 

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“So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise. For the Father loves the Son and shows him all that he himself is doing. And greater works than these will he show him, so that you may marvel. For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will. For the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him. Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5‬:‭19‬-‭24‬ ‭ESV‬‬
 

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Great, we can all pick and choose passages, don’t care what YOUR beliefs are, we can have different ones. You seem pretty stuck on your way is the only way.

I think you can get to the same destination through other religions and different styles of worship.

You know other religions say Jesus isn’t the way and their person is the way? See I don’t think all those people are condemned to hell or purgatory. Jesus accepted everyone and I don’t think he condemns them because they don’t worship catfan caveman’s way.

Quit being so self centered and close minded, it would do you well.
 
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“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5‬:‭10‬ ‭ESV‬‬
 

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Great, we can all pick and choose passages, don’t care what YOUR beliefs are, we can have different ones. You seem pretty stuck on your way is the only way.

I think you can get to the sage destination through other religions and different styles of worship.

You know other religions say Jesus isn’t the way and their person is the way? See in don’t think all those people are condemned to hell or purgatory. Jesus accepted everyone and I don’t think he concerns them because they don’t worship catfan caveman’s way.

Quit being so self centered and close minded, it would do you well.
I just quoted the Christ. 100% Christian.
 

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““For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.””
‭‭John‬ ‭3‬:‭16‬-‭21‬ ‭ESV‬‬
 

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““For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.””
‭‭John‬ ‭3‬:‭16‬-‭21‬ ‭ESV‬‬
“I just whooped your ***.”
Austin 3:16, now that’s some religious text I can get behind
 

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I just quoted the Christ. 100% Christian.
Again, don’t give a ****. You didn’t quote anyone as it was all spoken way before it was written, you quoted someone that paraphrased what Jesus said. Stop being obtuse.

I could quote the Torah or Quran and they have the exact same passages basically but replace Christ with a different name. I’m okay if they get the same message from a different place.

You, to me, are being a big part of the problem with religions in general. “MY WAY IS RIGHT AND WVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG!!!! ONLY MY WAY WILL PROVIDE SALVATION!!!!!”

^guess what you can’t possibly KNOW if that’s true or not.

See I’m okay if people find their way to the same place through different avenues. You seem to be judgmental and myopic. Not cool man.

Matthew 7:1-5 “Judge not, lest ye be judged.” As you know, it states furthermore, “For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”

Tread lightly my brother, God literally said he will judge you with the same judgment you’re placing on others and with the same measure you use will be used against you.

So if God finds things in you that aren’t pure, he will judge you with the same damnation you’re portraying on others that if he finds it in you, he will punish you as you wanted them punished.

You’re literally being the type of person that pushes people away from religion. Congrats brother.
 
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Again, don’t give a ****. You didn’t quote anyone as it was all spoken way before it was written, you quoted someone that paraphrased what Jesus said. Stop being obtuse.

Thanks for posting on the thread that asks for posts only from those who believe Jesus is Lord. And, you think I am obtuse. Gotcha, chief.

Jesus’ disciples followed him for three years. He was a transient teacher who likely taught the same things to many different people and his quotes were recorded very close to his death, if not before, and later were incorporated into the Gospels. So, you may have to revisit your understanding of the word “obtuse.”

I could quote the Torah or Quran and they have the exact same passages basically but replace Christ with a different name. I’m okay if they get the same message from a different place.

Well, Jesus was a Jew, there is that, about the Torah. 🤦‍♂️ The Quran was written hundreds of years later, so … yeah might find some of Jesus’s words in the Quaran. And, in pop music and …

You, to me, are being a big part of the problem with religions in general. “MY WAY IS RIGHT AND WVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG!!!! ONLY MY WAY WILL PROVIDE SALVATION!!!!!”
You don’t believe in definable truth. I do. If the Bible is correct, you acting like it isn’t is not wise. And, the Bible, if true, is the solution, not part of the problem.


^guess what you can’t possibly KNOW if that’s true or not.

See I’m okay if people find their way to the same place through different avenues. You seem to be judgmental and myopic. Not cool man.
I get it it. You made up your own religion(s) and now want to preach. You think you are cool. To borrow a phrase, I don’t give a ****. :)

Matthew 7:1-5 “Judge not, lest ye be judged.” As you know, it states furthermore, “For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”

Tread lightly my brother, God literally said he will judge you with the same judgment you’re placing on others and with the same measure you use will be used against you.

Read my post, preacher, and see that I did not judge (assuming you understand judgment). If you want me to explain it again, I will.

So if God finds things in you that aren’t pure, he will judge you with the same damnation you’re portraying on others that if he finds it in you, he will punish you as you wanted them punished.

You’re literally being the type of person that pushes people away from religion. Congrats brother.
And, with a little effort, you will comprehend that I literally said, I will not judge and God will get it right.

This is about your problem, not mine. There is a past corncob that was rammed up your sphincter and you cannot help making others suffer because of it. I hope you find healing.
 

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Therefore Jesus said again, "Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. 8 All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them. 9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.[1]They will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full. 11 "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. 12 The hired hand is not the shepherd and does not own the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it. 13 The man runs away because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep.14 "I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me- 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father-and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. 17 The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life-only to take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."
 

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And if the Torah or Quran is correct it’s not wise for you to believe in the Bible, right?

That’s why I think there are multiple paths.

I believe Jesus is lord, they’re part of the holy trinity, again you’re judging me and putting words in my mouth.

Now you say I have corn in my *******? You’re a weird dude bro. I didn’t make up a religion, I just see it multi-faceted whereas you see it as only your way.

I’ll pray for you. 😉
 

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And if the Torah or Quran is correct it’s not wise for you to believe in the Bible, right?

That’s why I think there are multiple paths.

I believe Jesus is lord, they’re part of the holy trinity, again you’re judging me and putting words in my mouth.

Now you say I have corn in my *******? You’re a weird dude bro. I didn’t make up a religion, I just see it multi-faceted whereas you see it as only your way.

I’ll pray for you. 😉
Remove the winky eye and pray. I would appreciate that.

You have made up a religion or maybe you go to a Unity church that made it up for you.

If Jesus is Lord, it’s hard to imagine dismissing his words because you don’t like them. That is actually you being lord.

And, no one here judged you. For a tough guy, you are making up stuff to be a victim. Don’t be that guy.
 

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Lol I’m never a victim bubba. There are plenty of things you and I both dismiss from the Bible such as wearing clothes of ferment fabrics is a no no and I could make a million examples.

You still haven’t said if you believe that everyone that doesn’t do it your way is condemned to hell? Is that your belief? Seems like it.
 

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Lol I’m never a victim bubba.
Good, then quit acting like one.

There are plenty of things you and I both dismiss from the Bible such as wearing clothes of ferment fabrics is a no no and I could make a million examples.
I suggest you educate yourself about the laws in the OT and distinguish those that were temple/ceremonial, social, and moral. Your take is very commonly used by atheists who don’t know better and who, additionally, don’t understand Jesus’s impact on those laws.

You still haven’t said if you believe that everyone that doesn’t do it your way is condemned to hell? Is that your belief? Seems like it.
I am not sure what you are reading, but it is evidently not my posts. Go back and try a little harder. Your answer is there.
 
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In my opinion, and this is me, every great blessing opportunity or what not that I’ve received in life has definitely come from God and his leading towards something better if I allowed him.
 

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“Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭4‬:‭1‬-‭5‬ ‭ESV‬‬