We keep hearing how the Heroin Epidemic is sweeping the country and we need to do something about it. Afghanistan grows almost 60% of the Worlds Poppy Plants. So why if it is,and it is, such a problem is the United States Military not eradicating it in Afghanistan?? It is their number one crop and basically the only thing they produce. Seems to me,eradicate Afghanistan's Poppy fields, and the US could control the Government and end alot of fighting.
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I'd imagine they'd view us as liberators.
(And BTW, the US struggles to control its own government.)
We just had a really good conversation about this - I did an article on my blog comparing out military adventures in Afghanistan to the 19th Century Opium Wars that the Brit's waged
If you don't know about those events you should read up on them -- here's an article where I pulled some facts:
https://wordpress.com/post/50ampfuse.blog/5357
The blog is advert free / I don't make money on it in any way --- just trying to share ideas on politics and history
In short - you are correct
We are NOT destroying poppy fields -
We have NOT eliminated the Taliban -- but
We're still hanging out there to "patrol" the poppy fields
My hypothesis -- the poppy / heroin is being used by not only Islamic types
But also our CIA
$ off the books - control over people -- infinite blackmailing pop's
The article also shows some of the parallels between our tactics and the British empire under Victoria
We're running dirty YO
If you don't know about those events you should read up on them -- here's an article where I pulled some facts:
https://wordpress.com/post/50ampfuse.blog/5357
The blog is advert free / I don't make money on it in any way --- just trying to share ideas on politics and history
In short - you are correct
We are NOT destroying poppy fields -
We have NOT eliminated the Taliban -- but
We're still hanging out there to "patrol" the poppy fields
My hypothesis -- the poppy / heroin is being used by not only Islamic types
But also our CIA
$ off the books - control over people -- infinite blackmailing pop's
The article also shows some of the parallels between our tactics and the British empire under Victoria
We're running dirty YO
Afghanistan is also brimming with mineral wealth
But I"m sure the respective goat's of "Little Bush", "Obama" and "Trump" --- haven't noticed
But I"m sure the respective goat's of "Little Bush", "Obama" and "Trump" --- haven't noticed
Cash that grows right out of the earth? On foreign soil that we can oversee and protect with relatively cheap but well trained and heavily armed labor?
The CIA would never be involved in something like that.
Wyvern, about the Bush family. I may have been off. It's barbara bush from the pierce family who made the opium money in the 1800s. Barbara is a direct descendant of franklin pierce former president. That should give you a place to start. No wonder barb ended up with HW. But this is 19th century olium trading in china
Just think if we could grow hyperdermic needles too. Kill two birds with one stone
Largest deposits of lithium in the world i think.
That's what the us russia proxy war in the 70s was about. Russia was onto 12 trillion in natural resources and was mappin **** out if i remember correctly. Thats where us trained bin laden.
You may well be right - I used to ask q's about that industry when I was at CDC
Carefully of course -- surprising how little they were ever questioned
At the time we had the President's commission on mental health which seemed pretty draconian to me (also had built in perks for drug companies) -- that was during 'little Bush's' time
I have one good book from Maria Angel on the drug company - she was the chief editor with the N/E Journal of Medicine for quite some time -- at the time the book was written Congress had already made some changes so it wasn't "wide open" in terms of influence and pandering
But the links are frequently there
I believe some of the connections and mind-altering drugs are RIGHT OUT OF Aldouus Huxley's "Island" and other writings / experiments he performed
IIRC he was right there with Leery during the initial counter cultural / LSD movement in the 1960's
truth is stranger than fiction, y'all
Here's a link showing how rich Afghanistan is ---
http://www.afghanistan-culture.com/natural-resources.html
China is building infrastructure right now -- $17M investment as I recall
We're guarding the heroin supply near as I can tell
Until when?
How are those troops NOT needed elsewhere?
F'ing shame
They shouldn't be there ---- BOTH parties / all across the political spectrum should be able to agree on this....
NO?
I recall Bush Sr and the Franklin Scandal -- are you thinking of that at all?
Connection to Boys Town in Omaha?
THAT was bizarre
I think it was Bush Sr that said something once about how if the average citizen knew what "they" did (i,e, many career politicians) --- "they" would be hunted down and killed in the streets
We're being played by a bunch of LOONIES -- but.....the way I figure it -- the joke's ultimately going to be on them
I am on a plane to my new home in about 2 weeks -- talk again soon
there for a while there was a good deal of testing happening in China - I'd like to think that the subjects were all truly willing and informed etc -- but --- there are only so many hours in the day for saving the world, right?
here's another followup; on the rhetorical question of "why are we in Afghanistan"
well.......NATO is doing wonderful work, silly!
Operation RESOLUTE SUPPORT!!
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_113694.htm
(cause the 'opium wars' --- was already taken)
Key functions include:
So - NATO has expanded into central Asia ---- to help Afghanistan run a prosperous, civil and metrically-sound nation
THATS why were there......
taliban?
opium/poppy/heroin?
.........why we COMPLETED THOSE MISSIONS, SARGE!!!!
so --- we're helping to make sure Afghanistan's government can stand on its own feet
By being there and doing all the things that make sure - they'll NEVER stand on their feet
hey ho --- another bombing in Afghanistan as we speak
https://www.rt.com/news/386923-blast-nato-vehicles-afghanistan-kabul/
PS: and final word on this one ---
This is a slap in the damn face to every soldier, sailor, airman and marine who swore to defend their country -- I hope NATO goes f'ing broke and has to start letting nations like Swaziland, Mongolia and Chad in to make ends meet....
here's another followup; on the rhetorical question of "why are we in Afghanistan"
well.......NATO is doing wonderful work, silly!
Operation RESOLUTE SUPPORT!!
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_113694.htm
(cause the 'opium wars' --- was already taken)
Key functions include:
- Supporting planning, programming and budgeting;
- Assuring transparency, accountability and oversight;
- Supporting the adherence to the principles of rule of law and good governance;
- Supporting the establishment and sustainment of such processes as force generation, recruiting, training, managing and development of personnel.
So - NATO has expanded into central Asia ---- to help Afghanistan run a prosperous, civil and metrically-sound nation
THATS why were there......
taliban?
opium/poppy/heroin?
.........why we COMPLETED THOSE MISSIONS, SARGE!!!!
so --- we're helping to make sure Afghanistan's government can stand on its own feet
By being there and doing all the things that make sure - they'll NEVER stand on their feet
hey ho --- another bombing in Afghanistan as we speak
https://www.rt.com/news/386923-blast-nato-vehicles-afghanistan-kabul/
PS: and final word on this one ---
This is a slap in the damn face to every soldier, sailor, airman and marine who swore to defend their country -- I hope NATO goes f'ing broke and has to start letting nations like Swaziland, Mongolia and Chad in to make ends meet....
Maybe we should go all Kim Jong-un on the Phama CEO's and unscrupulous doctors that said Oxycontin wasn't addictive and passed them out like tic-tacs.
Did y'all read that study someone posted here a long tine ago that described exactly how Big Pharma marketed oxy? They knew exactly what they were doing, knew exactly how much it took to get a person addicted, and they basically sold the **** like a used car salesman. Some might call it unethical and some might say it's good, easy business. Idk.
I don't have a lot of first hand knowledge, but I did personally see two close friends spiral out of control because of prescribed adderal and oxy in middle school, and there was no good damn reason either of those kids should had have them. Well obe had oxy bc he had his knee scoped once, was hooked on oxies at that point. Then he had it scoped again at the end of the season and was carrying around straws 24/7 so he could sniff up his seemingly endless supply of prescribed oxy. In 7th damn grade. What a deal. Things got much worse for him.
I don't have a lot of first hand knowledge, but I did personally see two close friends spiral out of control because of prescribed adderal and oxy in middle school, and there was no good damn reason either of those kids should had have them. Well obe had oxy bc he had his knee scoped once, was hooked on oxies at that point. Then he had it scoped again at the end of the season and was carrying around straws 24/7 so he could sniff up his seemingly endless supply of prescribed oxy. In 7th damn grade. What a deal. Things got much worse for him.
Heroin is not the real problem. Its the fentanyl and other additives (like elephant tranquilizer believe it or not) that are now being cut into it to make it much more addictive. Just a little too much added fentanyl can be lethal. Most of the fentanyl is being produced in China and then shipped to North America. So the real question is what can we do about China.
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We don't eliminate the heroin in Afghanistan because our government is in on the game.
The U.S. is one of the biggest kingpins on Earth. I firmly believe the U.S. government has its hands on the top (worldwide distribution of narcotics in exchange for various goods and services including military protection) and bottom at federal, state and local levels (making money off fines, court costs and incarceration fees for catching small fries and middle men) of the drug trade.
The U.S. is one of the biggest kingpins on Earth. I firmly believe the U.S. government has its hands on the top (worldwide distribution of narcotics in exchange for various goods and services including military protection) and bottom at federal, state and local levels (making money off fines, court costs and incarceration fees for catching small fries and middle men) of the drug trade.
Martin deputies offer free GMO testing for heroin
“Does your heroin come from poppy plants that are genetically modified? Don’t take that risk! Bring it to the Martin County Sheriff’s Office and we will test it for you FREE,” the agency wrote.
The agency also offered to take the names and contact information of heroin dealers so deputies could help them check their supplies.
The National Academies of Sciences, Medicine and Engineering reported last year that genetically modified foods and crops had no safety differences from foods and crops that weren’t genetically modified. However, the academies did not test the safety of poppies. Concerned people should consider the offer from the sheriff’s office to test them.
“Does your heroin come from poppy plants that are genetically modified? Don’t take that risk! Bring it to the Martin County Sheriff’s Office and we will test it for you FREE,” the agency wrote.
The agency also offered to take the names and contact information of heroin dealers so deputies could help them check their supplies.
The National Academies of Sciences, Medicine and Engineering reported last year that genetically modified foods and crops had no safety differences from foods and crops that weren’t genetically modified. However, the academies did not test the safety of poppies. Concerned people should consider the offer from the sheriff’s office to test them.
1) the Feds are involved in legal weed.
2) it's no surprise that shortly after the restrictions were put into effect on pain pills we had an irrational supply of heroin to meet the demand.
3) anybody that doesn't think our govt is one of if not the dirtiest player in the world is very naive to the reality of who and what we have become.
4) if Afghanistan was truly in control of their own poppy crops then we would invade and take it over.......which we did........because we saw what happened when small countries left drugs in the hands of their people in Columbia and Nicaugra(?) with cocaine
2) it's no surprise that shortly after the restrictions were put into effect on pain pills we had an irrational supply of heroin to meet the demand.
3) anybody that doesn't think our govt is one of if not the dirtiest player in the world is very naive to the reality of who and what we have become.
4) if Afghanistan was truly in control of their own poppy crops then we would invade and take it over.......which we did........because we saw what happened when small countries left drugs in the hands of their people in Columbia and Nicaugra(?) with cocaine
Not gonna lie, I'd snort line of heroin if it was in front of me. Id wait till the Derby was over first
I posted about this in Wyvern's china opium thread.
MOAB dropped on Nangahar Province. One of the larger opium production provinces in Afghan. Also a place of interest for the China Silk Road CPEC. China dropped the GMO seeds there for year round production.
So lets speculate a little. Why would Martin County Florida want to test for GMO heroin? Identify a rat line of drugs coming from China GMO opium? Then choke out their competition.
First safe injection sites being created in US:
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...e-to-create-2-injection-sites-for-drug-users/
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...e-to-create-2-injection-sites-for-drug-users/
Jeb Bush, Oliver North and the Murder of CIA Drug Smuggler Barry Seal in 1986
Books on governmental and CIA drug smuggling and related criminal activities:
1) Powerburns: Cocaine, Contras & the Drug War by former DEA agent Celerino Castillo, III (2010)
2) Dark Alliance by Gary Webb (1999)
3) Barry and the Boys: the CIA, the Mob and America's Secret History by Daniel Hopsicker (2006, written in 2001, lawsuits delayed it for 5 years. Extremely important book.)
4) Whiteout by Alexander Cockburn (1999)
5) Cocaine Politics: Drugs, Armies and the CIA in Central America by Peter Dale Scott and
Jonathon Marshall (1998)
6) Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & ‘Project Truth’ by Robert Parry (1999)
7) The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran-Contra Insider by Al Martin (2000)
8) The Big White Lie: The Deep Cover Operation That Exposed the CIA Sabotage of the Drug War: An Undercover Odyssey by Michael Levine and Laura Kavanau-Levine (2012)
9) The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade by Alfred W. McCoy (1972 and republished 2003)
10) Out of Control: The Story of the Reagan Administration’s Secret War in Nicaragua, the Illegal Arms Pipeline, and the Contra Drug Connection by Leslie Cockburn (1987)
11) Blue Thunder: How the Mafia Owned and Finally Murdered Cigarette Boat King Donald Aronov by Thomas Burdick and Charlene Mitchell (1990)
12) The Mafia, CIA, & George Bush by Pete Brewton (1992)
13) Called to Serve by James “Bo” Gritz (1991)
14) Crossfire: Witness in the Clinton Investigation by L.D. Brown (1997)
15) The Secret Life of Bill Clinton: The Unreported Stories by Ambrose Evans Pritchard (1
16) American Desperado: My Life - From Mafia Soldier to Cocaine Cowboy to Secret Government Asset by Jon Roberts & Evan Wright (2012)
17) Cocaine, Death Squads, and the War on Terror: U.S. Imperialism and Class Struggle in Colombia by Oliver Villar and Drew Cottle (2011)
18) The Crimes of Patriots: A True Tale of Dope, Dirty Money, and the CIA by Jonathan Kwitney (1987)
19) The Politics of Cocaine: How U.S. Foreign Policy Has Created a Thriving Drug Industry in Central and South America by William L. Marcy (2010)
20) How to Get Away with Murder in America: Drug Lords, Dirty Pols, Obsessed Cops, and the Quiet Man Who Became the CIA’s Master Killer by Evan Wright (2012)
21) Defrauding America: Encyclopedia of Secret Operations by the CIA, DEA, and other Covert Agencies (third edition) by Rodney Stich (1998)
22) Drugging America: A Trojan Horse (second edition) by Rodney Stich (2005)
23) The New Clinton Chronicles (YouTube): http://www.youtube.com/...
24) Conspiracy – The Secret History: The Secret Heartbeat of America, the CIA and Drugs by Daniel Hopsicker (2004)
25) Kill the Messenger: How the CIA’s Crack-Cocaine Controversy Destroyed Journalist Gary Webb by Nick Schou (2006)
26) Dope, Inc: The Book That Drove Henry Kissinger Crazy by Executive Intelligence Review (1992)
27) Disavow: A CIA Saga of Betrayal by Rodney Stich
28) Welcome to Terrorland: Mohamed Atta & the 9-11 Cover-Up in Florida by Daniel Hopsicker (2005)
29) Opium, Empire and the Global Political Economy: A Study of the Asian Opium Trade 1750-1950 by Carl Trocki (1999)
30) The Boys on the Tracks: Death, Denial, and a Mother’s Crusade to Bring Her Son’s Killers to Justice by Mara Leveritt (1999)
31) The Strength of the Wolf: The Secret History of America’s War on Drugs by Douglas Valentine (2004)
32) The Strength of the Pack: The Personalities, Politics and Espionage Intrigues That Shaped the DEA by Douglas Valentine (2009)
Books about the Darker Side of the Bushes:
1) Family of Secrets: The Bush Dynasty the Powerful Forces That Put It in the White House, and What Their Influence Means for America by Russ Baker (2008)
2) The Immaculate Deception: Bush Crime Family Exposed by Russell S. Bowen (1991)
3) George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography by Webster Griffin Tarpley (2004)
4) Fortunate Son: George W. Bush and the Making of an American President by J.H. Hatfield (2002)
5) Bushwhacked: Inside Stories of True Conspiracy by Uri Dowbenko (2003)
6) The Two Faces of George Bush by Anthony C. Sutton (1988)
7) American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush by Kevin Phillips
8) The Family: The Real Story of the Bush Dynasty by Kitty Kelley (2004)
9) The Bush Junta: A Field Guide to Corruption in Government by Mack White & Gary Groth (2005)
10) October Surprise by Barbara Honegger (1989)
11) October Surprise by Gary Sick (1992)
12) Trick or Treason: The October Surprise by Robert Parry (1993)
13) The Complete and ExtraOrdinary History of the October Surprise by Brian Joseph (2009)
14) The October Surprise X-Files: The Hidden Origins of the Reagan-Bush Era by Robert Parry
15) Bush’s Brain: How Karl Rove Made George W. Bush Presidential by James Moore and Wayne Slater (2004)
16) Jeb: America’s Next Bush by S.V. Date
Books by some of the perps in Iran-Contra who were running gargantuan amounts of drugs into the USA, committing financial crime, & murdering people to cover it up, etc. Somehow they forgot to put that in their books.
1) Under Fire: An American Story – Oliver L. North with William Novak (1992)
2) Honored and Betrayed: Irangate, Covert Affairs, and the Secret War in Laos by Richard Secord (1992)
3) Shadow Warrior: The CIA Hero of Hundred Unknown Battles by Felix I. Rodriguez (1989)
4) Spymaster: My Life in the CIA by Ted Shackley (2006)
5) A Spy for All Seasons: My Life in the CIA by Duane R. Clarridge
6) Hazardous Duty: An American Soldier in the Twentieth Century by John Singlaub (1992)
Nangarhar is where they dropped the MOAB. China's GMO poppy seed allows for production year round.
An Afghan security personnel keeps watch at a road construction site, which is being built by a Chinese company, in Khogyani district of Nangarhar province November 19, 2015. REUTERS/Parwiz/Files
China's expanding security role in Afghanistan
The other side to China's regional engagement is its economic investment -- something that comes under the auspices of the Silk Road Economic Belt (through Central Asia and across Eurasia ultimately to Europe) and down the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC). Afghanistan has always sat awkwardly in between, but recently there has been a particular effort by Beijing to tie Afghanistan into the vision.
In Nov. 2016, Assistant Foreign Minister Kong Xuanyou visited Kabul warmly welcoming Afghanistan into the vision and specifically suggested that Afghanistan consider train lines between Quetta and Kabul, and Peshawar and Kabul. It is not clear how these will happen, though soon afterwards the China Road and Bridge Corporation (CRBC) won a $205m contract, issued by the Asian Development Bank (ADB) to build a 178 km road connecting northern Mazar-i-Sharif city to Yakawlang.
For Beijing, a stable and secure Afghanistan is both key to domestic security as well as its growing investments in Pakistan.
To Defeat Terrorism In Afghanistan, Start With Opium Crops in Nangarhar Province
Afghanistan produces 70-80% of the world’s opium, and in 2015, over 127,000people worldwide died of opium-related deaths. Afghan opium production surged 43% in Afghanistan in 2016, in part due to a new genetically modified poppy seed introduced from China in 2015.
Afghanistan’s relentless opium woes have a 'new seed in town,' and it comes from China
The primary problem is a new strain of genetically modified seed that comes from China, which allows poppies to be grown year round. The so-called Chinese seeds began appearing in 2015, according to the UNODC, leading to a massive 43 percent surge in production last year.
Prominent El Salvador Businessman Tied to Suspected Drug Planes
The Martin County Sheriff's Office in Florida has filed a probable cause petition asking a judge to ratify the forfeiture of four aircraft authorities say belong to the prominent El Salvador businessman José Enrique Rais after drug sniffing dogs alerted them to three of the aircraft that they say were improperly registered in the United States.
Martínez came under scrutiny while he was the attorney general for, among other things, his alleged connection to José Adán Salazar Umaña, alias "Chepe Diablo." Salazar Umaña is the purported leader of the Texis Cartel, a drug transport and money laundering operation in eastern El Salvador. He was named by the US Treasury's Office of Foreign Asset Control (OFAC) in 2014, as a "kingpin" target.
El Salvador Arrests 'Chepe Diablo,' Investigates Ties with Vice President
El Salvador's Attorney General's Office arrested José Adán Salazar Umaña, alias "Chepe Diablo," the alleged leader of the Texis Cartel, the most important drug trafficking and money laundering organization in the country. The arrest raises new questions about the links between Salazar Umaña and powerful politicians in El Salvador, including current Vice President Óscar Ortiz.
DEA Says Mexico Cartels Battling to Corner US Heroin Market
Specifically, Baer said that the Jalisco Cartel "is pushing and has at times come into confrontation with the Sinaloa Cartel" over heroin trafficking routes.
'Mexican Cartels Buying Drugs in Afghanistan'
A noted Mexican crime analyst and scholar says that the Sinaloa Cartel is buying heroin and precursor chemicals in Afghanistan, in collaboration with Turkish and Indian criminal groups.
Edgardo Buscaglia, an organized crime expert who has taught at the ITAM University in Mexico, said in an interview with El Universal that his fieldwork in Afghanistan indicates that the Sinaloa Cartel does regular business with Asian criminal groups.
He described the cartel as operating increasingly like a multinational company, in which intermediaries in Afghanistan and Turkey outsource the shipping and distribution of heroin to the Mexicans. Using import-export companies as a front, Sinaloan operatives work with middlemen in Afghanistan and Turkey to move heroin to the Western market. The Mexicans then handle the distribution of the drug to U.S. cities like New York and Chicago, Buscaglia said.
"The Mexican groups come to Turkey with established contacts, principally through businesses or companies where they may hold minor positions, or which they themselves establish as providers of illicit goods or services," he told El Universal.
Afghanistan is the world's top producer of heroin, while the Sinaloa Cartel, led by Joaquin Guzman Loera, alias "El Chapo," is one of the world's richest and most wide-reaching cartels, with operations in Central America, South America, the U.S. and Australia.
Buscaglia told El Universal the Sinaloa Cartel is also making inroads in international human and arm trafficking rings. The cartel is likely laundering huge sums of money in Europe, while working with other syndicates in Albania and Russia, exchanging drugs for weapons, he said.
Mexico is another major producer of heroin and the main supplier to the U.S., with an estimated 325 tons of potential opium production in 2009, according to the UNDOC. Mexico ranks third behind Afghanistan and Myanmar in terms of poppy cultivation.
In the 90's there were enough prescriptions filled for OxyContin in Eastern Ky for every man, woman, and child in Eastern Ky to take it all year 2.5 times. The pharmacies filling the scripts were sending notice to the DEA and the FDA about the obvious problem and the Doctors who were filling the scripts. They also were voicing concerns to Perdue Pharmaceuticals who manufactures the drug. Everyone just said it's ok, nothing to see here, carry on. What a freaking joke. When the DEA finally woke up and forced Perdue to change the formula we had a massive border problem with Mexico and a post war opium crop coming from Afghanistan that allowed street heroin to just come in and fill the void. Some of this crap makes me wonder.
I won't lie, I've got a don't knock it til you tried it policy, I puked my brains out and I've done opana and Fentanol patches (sp) before. How anyone shoots that is beyond me. I'm still to much of a coward to do meth or crack. But I can handle my pain killers
The war on drugs is A) to get ppl in jail and make money off them B) Too raise prices as high as they can go to make money off them. If you don't think ppl working for the government don't make huge drops of drugs to top sellers well then I can't help you believe it.