OT: 2023 Golf Thread

Jtung230

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No one hates LIV players (maybe Reed). These were popular guys on the PGA tour before they became LIV players. It’s the stupid format and all the BS talk about changing the sport.
His caddy should have never let him pull his driver on 18th tee. That drive was beyond horrible deep into trees have no idea how that one made it back to the rough. Having caddied alot of yrs there is no telling where a ball goes hit that badly. He had to get lucky and hit tree flush to bounce that far back into play. He was looking at a double if ball was t foundi
he was up 4. If the lead was 2 or less, no driver. He wasn’t going to card an 8 on that hole.
 

RUBubba

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I agree about the not liking the LIV tour vs LIV players. I don't like Reed or DeChambeau, and was never a real Phil fan, but I do think that tour is a joke.
 

T2Kplus20

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I agree about the not liking the LIV tour vs LIV players. I don't like Reed or DeChambeau, and was never a real Phil fan, but I do think that tour is a joke.
The LIV tour is what finally make the PGA change their ways. Even if you are only a PGA fan, you can't ignore what LIV has done to better the game for players.
 

Jtung230

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The LIV tour is what finally make the PGA change their ways. Even if you are only a PGA fan, you can't ignore what LIV has done to better the game for players.
Money, yes. Game, Fock no. Think all the LIV players will tell you the same.
 

RU Cheese

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Anyone ever notice how much Rahm looks like Dennis Menochet, the French actor who played the French farmer in Tarantino's Inglourious Basterds?



YES! I texted my friends yesterday that I couldn't believe Perrier LaPadite was going to win the masters!
 
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greenknight

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Rahm hit a provisional in fear his first shot was lost. It was not but he didn't know that on the tee. It bounced back from the wood towards the tee leaving him a very long second shot. The provisional tee shot was discarded.

And as posted above. He should have hit five iron.
Not carrying onto fairway with 5 iron 3 wood or driving iron would have done it. Just needed to keep it straight and playable. He was staring a double in the face and if Brooks hit 2nd tight he may have puckered
 
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RU Cheese

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What? The guy can barely walk but you don't think that it is a physical issue??? Before his accident but after his divorce, public issues he did win a Masters in 2019. Did you forget that?
Yes. He won 71 PGA events during his first 14 years ('96-09). Then the sex news came out, got divorced, etc. He's won only 10 PGA events in the 14 years since that ('10-'23, although this year doesn't really count).

I don't dispute the severity of his injuries. My contention is that he's always had an absolutely incredible ncredoble mental game and that aspect has eroded.
 

greenknight

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No one hates LIV players (maybe Reed). These were popular guys on the PGA tour before they became LIV players. It’s the stupid format and all the BS talk about changing the sport.

he was up 4. If the lead was 2 or less, no driver. He wasn’t going to card an 8 on that hole.
He didnt need to card an 8 if koepka birdied. Wrong 3 wood was the play
 

tomatocan

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Or his frustration at the slow pace caused him to lose a bit of focus resulting in spraying it all over the place.

I’m not claiming I’m definitively right here. Just a hunch of what could have been a factor.
Yet, in the post-round interview, Koepka is whining that if only a particular drive hadn't stayed in the trees, he might/could/should have been right there at the finish. Good grief! Brooks, you just got outplayed. Admit it.
 

MADHAT1

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The LIV tour is what finally make the PGA change their ways. Even if you are only a PGA fan, you can't ignore what LIV has done to better the game for players.
Brooks Koepka sure like joining the LIV
He said when injuries made him worry about his golfing future, the guaranteed money the LIV offered had him join that tour.

You're right that because of LIV competing for players, the PGA became more player friendly.
I also think Phil's showing in the Masters the LIV will be getting more golf fans looking at CW coverage because of him .
 

Section124

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RuSnp

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Yes. He won 71 PGA events during his first 14 years ('96-09). Then the sex news came out, got divorced, etc. He's won only 10 PGA events in the 14 years since that ('10-'23, although this year doesn't really count).

I don't dispute the severity of his injuries. My contention is that he's always had an absolutely incredible ncredoble mental game and that aspect has eroded.
To the extent his mental strength has eroded ya don't think it maybe has something to do with - I dunno - not being able to physically dominate his opponents anymore? Or - hell- walk without pain?
 
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greenknight

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Brooks Koepka sure like joining the LIV
He said when injuries made him worry about his golfing future, the guaranteed money the LIV offered had him join that tour.

You're right that because of LIV competing for players, the PGA became more player friendly.
I also think Phil's showing in the Masters the LIV will be getting more golf fans looking at CW coverage because of him .
Was a 1 hit wonder he'll crash and burn again. Been a huge Phil fan for a long time....until last year. Hes on the bottom of list. For whatever reason Phil put it all together this weekend. That wont happen again this yr. I will admit his swing looked 10x better than it has...maybe he stopped worrying about hitting BOMBS and he worried about hitting quality golf shots
 

greenknight

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His hit his driver on the provisional. It might be the right play for you but not for the Masters champ.
Ok it was the wrong play. Dont care what he hit on provisional. It was the wrong play plain & simple.

Truth be told I saw him pull driver and told my brotherinlaw watching with (knows next to nothing about golf) it was stupid pulling driver out before he hit

One thing you dont get he was juiced coming off 17. It's a way to dial back your adrenaline and bring it down to get into play
 

RUScrew85

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To the extent his mental strength has eroded ya don't think it maybe has something to do with - I dunno - not being able to physically dominate his opponents anymore? Or - hell- walk without pain?

I'd guess pain is some of it and the fact he's no longer the Big Dog after a lifetime of being the Big Dog. That plus $1B in the bank makes staying out late chasing waitresses probably look like more fun than getting reminded his Big Dog golf days are at an end on the course every weekend.

He should play with lower expectations - try to enjoy the game probably for the first time in his life. Enjoy his kid(s) and his life. He's young, just not young for a golfer.

Maybe find a nice girl and stop dating ******?
 
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Brooks Koepka sure like joining the LIV
He said when injuries made him worry about his golfing future, the guaranteed money the LIV offered had him join that tour.

You're right that because of LIV competing for players, the PGA became more player friendly.
I also think Phil's showing in the Masters the LIV will be getting more golf fans looking at CW coverage because of him .

I don’t think Mickelson’s finish will do anything for LIVs ratings.
 
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Joey Bags

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Money is by far the most important thing for players. PGA is now considering team events. Hmm.....
Are people dumb as rocks, golf isn’t a team sport JFC.

If they want to have a one-off team exhibition event that’s fine, but they need to stop with the “changing the game” talk, no one wants any of that.
 
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Section124

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Would they like some of these guys back? Sure. But they don’t “need” then back.
Have you seen some of the leaderboards at a good number of PGA events lately? I am in their core demographic and I could care less to watch most tournaments now. Like most sports, betting has propped them up.
 

Section124

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Are people dumb as rocks, golf isn’t a team sport JFC.

If they want to have a one-off team exhibition event that’s fine, but they need to stop with the “changing the game” talk, no one wants any of that.
Is HS and College golf not golf? Those are all team based.
 

greenknight

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I'd guess pain is some of it and the fact he's no longer the Big Dog after a lifetime of being the Big Dog. That plus $1B in the bank makes staying out late chasing waitresses probably look like more fun than getting reminded his Big Dog golf days are at an end on the course every weekend.

He should play with lower expectations - try to enjoy the game probably for the first time in his life. Enjoy his kid(s) and his life. He's young, just not young for a golfer.

Maybe find a nice girl and stop dating ******?
He is going to kill it on the senior tour when he can take a cart. I dont know if anyones ever had plantar fasciitis but I did for about a 6-8 month stretch its excruciating. So much so when u get up in the morning u are only able to take baby steps sometimes for 15-20 minutes. You sit down you start from scratch again but the worst is the AM waking up. I imagine he got his due to leg injury maybe different gate or no support but I know I got mine from caddying 2 loops in worn out kicks. Stretched my arch bad.

And if you've never been to the Masters in person you cannot appreciate how hilly that course is. It was way more hilly than I could ever had imagined b4 I went there

He didnt really complain about bad leg complained about his plantar
 

greenknight

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Are people dumb as rocks, golf isn’t a team sport JFC.

If they want to have a one-off team exhibition event that’s fine, but they need to stop with the “changing the game” talk, no one wants any of that.
The team aspect of it is HUGE when you do not have any missed cuts. You need to keep the guy that is +12 playing his *** off for his team. That aspect I like
 
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greenknight

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He is going to kill it on the senior tour when he can take a cart. I dont know if anyones ever had plantar fasciitis but I did for about a 6-8 month stretch its excruciating. So much so when u get up in the morning u are only able to take baby steps sometimes for 15-20 minutes. You sit down you start from scratch again but the worst is the AM waking up. I imagine he got his due to leg injury maybe different gate or no support but I know I got mine from caddying 2 loops in worn out kicks. Stretched my arch bad.

And if you've never been to the Masters in person you cannot appreciate how hilly that course is. It was way more hilly than I could ever had imagined b4 I went there

He didnt really complain about bad leg complained about his plantar
I'll even take it a step further. I had to walk with 2 sets of sticks. He has to walk and hit the ball. I didnt have to do that and I struggled around the course.
 

Joey Bags

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Is HS and College golf not golf? Those are all team based.
Of course, but that actually makes sense since you have a natural affiliation with the school. I’m talking strictly the PGA tour. Creating arbitrary teams is ultra contrived and just plain stupid.

What has changed in the last couple of years that we can’t handle big players missing cuts anymore?
 

Jtung230

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Was a 1 hit wonder he'll crash and burn again. Been a huge Phil fan for a long time....until last year. Hes on the bottom of list. For whatever reason Phil put it all together this weekend. That wont happen again this yr. I will admit his swing looked 10x better than it has...maybe he stopped worrying about hitting BOMBS and he worried about hitting quality golf shots
I actually disagree here. The difference is he is playing like he cares vs when he doesn’t. That’s why I think this wknd was bad for LIV.
 

MADHAT1

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Of course, but that actually makes sense since you have a natural affiliation with the school. I’m talking strictly the PGA tour. Creating arbitrary teams is ultra contrived and just plain stupid.

What has changed in the last couple of years that we can’t handle big players missing cuts anymore?
Team tennis was an idea that sounded pretty good, but in reality didn't catch on to the point that it made people interested enough to become a TV must see for tennis fans.

LIV's team concept is just it trying to attract viewers after paying out a bundle to get PGA players to leave that tour and join the LIV.
The LIV really isn't gaining the eyes because of team play, the names they brought in are the enticement and even that seems to be falling short when it comes to popularity between the two tours
 

greenknight

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Haha got a funny story from the masters 2010 when I was there. Just saw picture of Hovlands caddy pissing in the woods

I'm on the 16th 1/2way down alongside the pond. So I'm like 8 or 9 beers in and just so happened to have an Ohio St, Mich and I think Mich st or Indiana alum there were 4 or 5 of them. I saw the dude in his OSU shirt so I started small talk with them pretty excited. I was like do you think RU gets in the B1G within the next 2yrs. These asswipes were like no way we'd let a ****** garbage school like Rutgers in our conference. I was taken back by their comments I was literally like a little kid just excited about the prospect of joining the conference. I heard a few comments about me thrown in there...so I stepped up my game and told them not only are we going to get in we are going to kick your asses all over the place in every sport. The OSU guy in particular was the most pompous of the bunch popped another comment at me. I told him if he opens his mouth one more time I was going to throw him in the lake...this was just a sidestory.
These guys delayed me from taking a piss so now I'm ready to explode.

I said to the guys I was with...my vendors who took me and 2 coworkers i was just trying to be nice. The vendor who was National VP Sales said to me you should have thrown him in the lake. That's how bad these dudes were.

They have central bathrooms on the course which was pretty close. I get online and I'm like 75 deep. There was no way I was making. I literally was just going to piss in bushes alongside bathroom and take getting thrown out. The caddies run the bathroom holding rolls of TP cracking jokes left & right but I will give them credit that 75 deep line was done in like 2-3 minutes. If not for these dudes I would have pissed my pants or in the bushes either way I would have been led out of there.
 

greenknight

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I actually disagree here. The difference is he is playing like he cares vs when he doesn’t. That’s why I think this wknd was bad for LIV.
Phil is and always has been the drive for show, chip for show etc type of guy. He is Tin Cup.
It's more important for him to make the shot that no else can just so he can stroke his ego. Tiger said it right if he had ever dedicated himself to golf & winning he would have won alot more tourneys

I think you are twisted 3 guys from LIV in top 4 is not bad for LIV not getting the logic on that one.

His swing actually looked good yesterday and hes had the benefit of not sustaining any major injuries during his career. It has nothing to do with him caring. He had a lot to prove this weekend as everything about him took major hits.
 

greenknight

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Team tennis was an idea that sounded pretty good, but in reality didn't catch on to the point that it made people interested enough to become a TV must see for tennis fans.

LIV's team concept is just it trying to attract viewers after paying out a bundle to get PGA players to leave that tour and join the LIV.
The LIV really isn't gaining the eyes because of team play, the names they brought in are the enticement and even that seems to be falling short when it comes to popularity between the two tours
Theres really only 6 or 7 guys on LIV worthwhile for PGA. Once these Dudes get back at it for LIV tourney they will be deflated with the comp
 
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Have you seen some of the leaderboards at a good number of PGA events lately? I am in their core demographic and I could care less to watch most tournaments now. Like most sports, betting has propped them up.

But is that any different than previous years? Mickelson wasn’t playing a ton of events. And after that, how many guys on LIV would a) play in some of these lower PGAT events anyway and b) really move the needle for viewership? Maybe a small handful.
 

Jtung230

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Phil is and always has been the drive for show, chip for show etc type of guy. He is Tin Cup.
It's more important for him to make the shot that no else can just so he can stroke his ego. Tiger said it right if he had ever dedicated himself to golf & winning he would have won alot more tourneys

I think you are twisted 3 guys from LIV in top 4 is not bad for LIV not getting the logic on that one.

His swing actually looked good yesterday and hes had the benefit of not sustaining any major injuries during his career. It has nothing to do with him caring. He had a lot to prove this weekend as everything about him took major hits.
You are missing my point. Those guys haven’t performed like that in LIV events. They only play their A game at the Masters. Which means even LIV players know that LIV isn’t that important. Especially the guys who got big upfront checks. Philips the perfect example. Look at his rounds in LIV vs the Masters.
 

Knightmoves

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You are missing my point. Those guys haven’t performed like that in LIV events. They only play their A game at the Masters. Which means even LIV players know that LIV isn’t that important. Especially the guys who got big upfront checks.
I’ve watched some LIV. Those events seem more like golf outings than golf tournaments. Live attendance is minimal and tv interest is a blip on the radar screen.

The recent tourney that they played in Orlando was also at a second rate course, just above the muni level. The money will be great while it lasts.

Harold Varner’s comments about LIV at the Masters were interesting.
 

Section124

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But is that any different than previous years? Mickelson wasn’t playing a ton of events. And after that, how many guys on LIV would a) play in some of these lower PGAT events anyway and b) really move the needle for viewership? Maybe a small handful.
PGA requires (or at least required) guys to play events every so many years. With the LIV guys included you would at least get some names in most events.